Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
[Loz wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 1:27 PM] >> i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use >> up a lot of RAM or processor. > > not wishing to start an 'editor war' but this sounds like an ideal > opportunity to learn vi, or better - vim, and take the time to make a > really nice .vimrc - google for some good examples. :) I already use and like vi a lot (I use it for everything), but for reasons which i will not go into, i need to implement/learn/use one of the emacs family. <--> george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting" Shared and Dedicated Zope Hosting ~ Zope Servers ~ Zope Websites Yahoo, AIM: zettainet ~ MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ICQ: 51907738 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 01:28:40PM -0500, george donnelly wrote: > [Marc Wiz wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 12:51 PM] > > >>> What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using > >>> emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is > >>> 128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I > >>> find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via > >>> modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though > >>> older emmacs were). > >> > >> bandwidth is good, 100Mbps etc. > >> > >> i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use > >> up a lot of RAM or processor. > >> > > > > What do you consider a lot of RAM or processor? > > more than a few MB per session. > > > It amazes me how people used to berate emacs for it's use of resources > > yet it does one heck of a lot stuff especially considering the > > amount of resources a web browser takes. > > i'm not berating it, just trying to make a decision. I understand. It's just a small gripe of mine. This thread just gave me a chance to present the gripe :-) Marc -- Marc Wiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, that really is my last name. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 1. August 2003 02:02, george donnelly wrote: > thanks for the feedback. gui is not important, i guess i'm just looking for > the neat features that everyone talks about - and with a minimum of > resource usage as i would like to install it on a webserver as well so > clients can use it over ssh. Remember, GNU Emacs (and XEmacs, too, I suppose) is at its core a lisp interpreter. Many of Emacs' popular features are actually not "hard-wired" into emacs, but are add-ons written in lisp (though emacs comes with a helluva lot of them...). The tiny emacs-clones just emulate its look and superficial behaviour is the same, but they lack much of emacs' extensibility and customizability. If you just look for a small, easy-to-use editor, zile or µemacs is for you. GNU Emacs, on the other hand, is not that bad ressource-wise. It takes a lot of hard disk space, yes. It takes quite a lot of RAM for an editor, but not that much, either (less than 10MB on my machine, usually). CPU usage is pretty low (my machine: PentiumIII 450) mostly. You can also run GNU emacs in server mode. Users wanting to use emacs do not start a new instance of emacs, but just attach their client-sessions to the emacs-server. The main advantage I see is memory saved, and also some relief on the disks, for emacs remains in RAM all the time. kind regards, Benjamin Walkenhorst - -- Benjamin Walkenhorst eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] homepage: http://www.krylon.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Public Key available at http://www.krylon.de iD8DBQE/KrPjoYumWdMvhMQRAjllAJ48iNW1J8IZ6JBwBusbX557gMVm1wCcDipg O9yHNmExcVVk1W40g5eM/so= =Db1B -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
[Marc Wiz wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 12:51 PM] >>> What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using >>> emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is >>> 128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I >>> find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via >>> modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though >>> older emmacs were). >> >> bandwidth is good, 100Mbps etc. >> >> i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use >> up a lot of RAM or processor. >> > > What do you consider a lot of RAM or processor? more than a few MB per session. > It amazes me how people used to berate emacs for it's use of resources > yet it does one heck of a lot stuff especially considering the > amount of resources a web browser takes. i'm not berating it, just trying to make a decision. <--> george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting" Shared and Dedicated Zope Hosting ~ Zope Servers ~ Zope Websites Yahoo, AIM: zettainet ~ MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ICQ: 51907738 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
* george donnelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-08-01 18:30]: > i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use > up a lot of RAM or processor. not wishing to start an 'editor war' but this sounds like an ideal opportunity to learn vi, or better - vim, and take the time to make a really nice .vimrc - google for some good examples. :) cheers, /loz. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 12:29:56PM -0500, george donnelly wrote: > [LLeweLLyn Reese wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 12:02 > PM] > > > What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using > > emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is > > 128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I > > find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via > > modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though > > older emmacs were). > > bandwidth is good, 100Mbps etc. > > i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use > up a lot of RAM or processor. > What do you consider a lot of RAM or processor? It amazes me how people used to berate emacs for it's use of resources yet it does one heck of a lot stuff especially considering the amount of resources a web browser takes. Granted hardware has gotten a lot faster but it still amazes me how much resources a web browser will take up. Marc -- Marc Wiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, that really is my last name. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
[LLeweLLyn Reese wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 12:02 PM] > What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using > emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is > 128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I > find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via > modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though > older emmacs were). bandwidth is good, 100Mbps etc. i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use up a lot of RAM or processor. <--> george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting" Shared and Dedicated Zope Hosting ~ Zope Servers ~ Zope Websites Yahoo, AIM: zettainet ~ MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ICQ: 51907738 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
george donnelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Benjamin Walkenhorst wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 7/31/03 6:44 PM] > > > If you want a GUI, try GNU Emacs or XEmacs. I prefer GNU Emacs, but I suggest > > you try both (if you are looking for a GUI). > > If you don't want a GUI, and if you are not looking for Emacs' massive > > extensibility, there are several curses-based "lookalikes" of Emacs, that > > share Emacs' look and feel, but do not feature its lisp interpreter, and thus > > much of its extensibility; on the other hand, they tend be more... > > ressource-friendly than emacs. Among these smaller versions I know of zile > > (zile is lossy emacs) and µemacs (micro emacs), though I have tried neither. > > thanks for the feedback. gui is not important, i guess i'm just looking for > the neat features that everyone talks about - and with a minimum of resource > usage as i would like to install it on a webserver as well so clients can > use it over ssh. What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is 128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though older emmacs were). ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
george donnelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd like to start getting into emacs, but there are so many versions and > variations that I'm not sure which one to install from ports, eg we have gnu > emacs and xemacs. For a beginner, you won't notice the differences. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
[Benjamin Walkenhorst wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 7/31/03 6:44 PM] > If you want a GUI, try GNU Emacs or XEmacs. I prefer GNU Emacs, but I suggest > you try both (if you are looking for a GUI). > If you don't want a GUI, and if you are not looking for Emacs' massive > extensibility, there are several curses-based "lookalikes" of Emacs, that > share Emacs' look and feel, but do not feature its lisp interpreter, and thus > much of its extensibility; on the other hand, they tend be more... > ressource-friendly than emacs. Among these smaller versions I know of zile > (zile is lossy emacs) and µemacs (micro emacs), though I have tried neither. thanks for the feedback. gui is not important, i guess i'm just looking for the neat features that everyone talks about - and with a minimum of resource usage as i would like to install it on a webserver as well so clients can use it over ssh. <--> george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting" Shared and Dedicated Zope Hosting ~ Zope Servers ~ Zope Websites Yahoo, AIM: zettainet ~ MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ICQ: 51907738 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 1. August 2003 00:22, george donnelly wrote: > I'd like to start getting into emacs, but there are so many versions and > variations that I'm not sure which one to install from ports, eg we have > gnu emacs and xemacs. > > which emacs should i install, use and learn? If you want a GUI, try GNU Emacs or XEmacs. I prefer GNU Emacs, but I suggest you try both (if you are looking for a GUI). If you don't want a GUI, and if you are not looking for Emacs' massive extensibility, there are several curses-based "lookalikes" of Emacs, that share Emacs' look and feel, but do not feature its lisp interpreter, and thus much of its extensibility; on the other hand, they tend be more... ressource-friendly than emacs. Among these smaller versions I know of zile (zile is lossy emacs) and µemacs (micro emacs), though I have tried neither. GNU Emacs comes with a tutorial (start emacs, then type "Ctrl-h t" to start the tutorial). A lot of what is said there applies to other versions as well. Kind regards, Benjamin - -- Benjamin Walkenhorst eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] homepage: http://www.krylon.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Public Key available at http://www.krylon.de iD8DBQE/Kan7oYumWdMvhMQRAqOyAJ9AgAY0r42x0+5dLcADyjDOGlIYWgCcC47k yf86BfOwbc3DjIGi28BrPak= =uRVp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 05:22:40PM -0500 or thereabouts, george donnelly wrote: > I'd like to start getting into emacs, but there are so many versions and > variations that I'm not sure which one to install from ports, eg we have gnu > emacs and xemacs. > > which emacs should i install, use and learn? XEmacs, all the way. Though you may hear differently from others. -- Josh > > <--> > george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting" > Shared and Dedicated Zope Hosting ~ Zope Servers ~ Zope Websites > Yahoo, AIM: zettainet ~ MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ICQ: 51907738 > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
