Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-23 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 23/09/2011 01:08, Frank Shute wrote:
 I had to use them because my static IP all of a sudden became dynamic
 (crappy ISP). Now it seems to have gone back to static again.

There are much better ISPs in the UK -- usually the smaller ones give
you much better service.  You can get a /28 fixed block as part of a
standard package if you shop around.

 I certainly wouldn't consider running my own DNS server (having done
 it). It's more trouble than it's worth and is just one more
 vulnerability/thing to go wrong. You can just use hosts for a small
 network.

Not my experience.  Running my own DNS is simple and trouble free, plus
it gives me much more scope to play with things like DNSSEC.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: much to my surprise.... [ now trending #OT ]

2011-09-23 Thread Dave
From:   Matt Emmerton m...@gsicomp.on.ca

 snip
 
  but i've been doing this for a while, and
  until i was away for five days, everything had been going
  fine for over a month.  oh:: one power-out.  the UPS saved
  the server, but everything else needed to be reinitialized.
 
 A lesson that I learned many years ago - if you can afford a big UPS
 for your servers, you can afford a little one for your telco/network
 equipment.
 

I'm using some PoE kit to power the router remotely down it's LAN cable, 
that in turn run's from the protected supply from the UPS.  Said UPS also 
powers the main network switch, as well as my own LAN server (f'BSD 
based, to stay vaguely on toppic!) Plus two other PC's and a NAS device.

It'll hold that lot up, for over 20 minutes when the lights go out (the 
longest unscheduled outage so far.)  It's also configured to NOT come 
back, if it runs down and cuts out.  I'll do that manually if needed.  
(Not so far.)  I never did get the BSD port of APCUPSD to work correctly.

All works well.  Also, easy to do a router Hard restart, without going 
to the router itself.   And if it does all die, it fails safe.

Regards.

Dave B.

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Re: much to my surprise.... [ now trending #OT ]

2011-09-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:48:09PM -0400, Matt Emmerton wrote:
 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:48:09 -0400
 From: Matt Emmerton m...@gsicomp.on.ca
 Subject: RE: much to my surprise [ now trending #OT ]
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0
 
   *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red
   LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the
   default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.  
   and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
   network things will work too.  
 
 The Mark I eyeball is an amazing tool.

well, cant be sure, but my router is q1000.  [?]

 
 I recently had a HDSL link provided by my telco go down.  I happened to be 2
 hours away from the facility at the time.  Tech support said the problem was
 the router because they couldn't get to it, and they just wouldn't believe
 me that it was up.  (I could ping it from the inside via the secondary
 network connection.)  So after I drove to the facility, I noticed that the
 HDSL modem (which is line-powered from some box on the street) had no
 lights.  Ahah!  28 hours later (sigh) they found a blown circuit breaker
 somewhere.


AH!  one thin i have has problems with over the years is
cars hitting power poles somewhere and that knocks me off. 
After last time i put everything thru  my highend surge
protecter.  EVERYTHING was live.  i had never [not once in
ten years] had the Internet flow go south.  mine has been
green.  i saw that all LED's were lit and never thought to 
see if the lights were all-green or not!  live and learn.  

so, along with check routers/switches; maybe power cycle
i have use named debug, use traceroute.
 
 snip
 
  but i've been doing this for a while, and
  until i was away for five days, everything had been going
  fine for over a month.  oh:: one power-out.  the UPS saved
  the server, but everything else needed to be reinitialized.
 
 A lesson that I learned many years ago - if you can afford a big UPS for
 your servers, you can afford a little one for your telco/network
 equipment.

such as? brand, model?  would it work to just plug my surge
protecto into my larger UPS?   ---yes, that wouldn't save me
from as glitch in this telco router.  but since the APC UPC
has its own surge filter, i'm thinking, why not/?

gary


 
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Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-23 Thread David Brodbeck
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Matthew Seaman
m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
 Not my experience.  Running my own DNS is simple and trouble free, plus
 it gives me much more scope to play with things like DNSSEC.

I've done it before, but I don't anymore.  Partly because it's very
hard to provide proper levels of DNS redundancy if you're running your
own DNS server.  Not that the big players always get it right; I've
seen ones that had four authoritative servers that were all on the
same subnet. ;)
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Re: much to my surprise.... [ now trending #OT ]

2011-09-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:27:57PM +0100, Dave wrote:
 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:27:57 +0100
 From: Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk
 Subject: Re: much to my surprise [ now trending #OT ]
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61)
 
 From: Matt Emmerton m...@gsicomp.on.ca
 
  snip
  
   but i've been doing this for a while, and
   until i was away for five days, everything had been going
   fine for over a month.  oh:: one power-out.  the UPS saved
   the server, but everything else needed to be reinitialized.
  
  A lesson that I learned many years ago - if you can afford a big UPS
  for your servers, you can afford a little one for your telco/network
  equipment.
  
 
 I'm using some PoE kit to power the router remotely down it's LAN cable, 
 that in turn run's from the protected supply from the UPS.  Said UPS also 
 powers the main network switch, as well as my own LAN server (f'BSD 
 based, to stay vaguely on toppic!) Plus two other PC's and a NAS device.
 
 It'll hold that lot up, for over 20 minutes when the lights go out (the 
 longest unscheduled outage so far.)  It's also configured to NOT come 
 back, if it runs down and cuts out.  I'll do that manually if needed.  
 (Not so far.)  I never did get the BSD port of APCUPSD to work correctly.
 
 All works well.  Also, easy to do a router Hard restart, without going 
 to the router itself.   And if it does all die, it fails safe.
 
 Regards.
 
 Dave B.



see, if i had help at =your= level of expertise, i'd be
fine.  4 days in the icu is still ,messing me up a bit, but 
i grok most of what you're saying to matt.  

Oh, and for those who suggested i hire somebody instead of
relying on volunteers:: while there is a seattle linux
group, gslug, i know 0.0 people who have a clue about BSD.  
i've asked around--the senior techs at the telco have no
clue when i [or someone who can speak] mentioned 'unix'.
i've tried to find some students at the u/washington.  zip.  
linux, a few people mumble, 'yes, ive heard of that.' but
unix, or berkeley unix , or sun unix.  {gawk: Orifice unix, 
rather} Zero.  


BTW, ive not had time nor savvy to get the APC UPS Port
installed.  besides, right now, there in only one 2009 dell
2-cpu on the battery.  it has saved state twice.  but i
=still= had to get down and crawl around with flashlight in
teeth and power off stuff.  -no, no 'poor gary'; that's just
the bare facts.

-g

 
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Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-23 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 23/09/2011 19:19, David Brodbeck wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Matthew Seaman
 m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
  Not my experience.  Running my own DNS is simple and trouble free, plus
  it gives me much more scope to play with things like DNSSEC.

 I've done it before, but I don't anymore.  Partly because it's very
 hard to provide proper levels of DNS redundancy if you're running your
 own DNS server.  Not that the big players always get it right; I've
 seen ones that had four authoritative servers that were all on the
 same subnet. ;)

Yeah.  My ISP will 2ary my zones onto their much larger and diversely
situated servers at no extra cost.  That's pretty handy.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
 From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Thu Sep 22 14:30:49 2011
 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:30:54 -0700
 From: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org
 To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Cc: 
 Subject: much to my surprise


 guys,

 well, after a forced, unexpected, and emergency 5 days away, i got
 back to my desk and could not ping.  while mail seemed to be working, 
 and my *local* ping worked---I could ping around from my freebsd server
 to my other computers--i spent 3+ hours trying to ping various
 sites.  Zero.  i tried everything i could think of.  NOTHING worked.  
 i tried the -d -f -f to named and on and on and on.  nothing.

 *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red
 LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the
 default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.  
 and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
 network things will work too.  

 from any/all sysadmin types or others::
 i would like tricks, tips, insights--whatever--about named and
 whatever else.  i thought i had collected many.  nope.i've got
 bind 9.8 installed and it was working fine until my recent
 'vacation.'  Other than checking one's routers (hub/switch), and other 
 hardware (including server, computers, cables, etc) does anybody have a
 checklist of what to do to diagnose this?  are there any other
 utilities i can try besides ping and named -d 3 -f -g?   other
 network utilities with a debug flag?  i'm running 7.3 on a dell 530.

 tia for any insights,

You should _really_ consider hiring a professional to maintain your 
systems.

Diagnosing _this_ problem should have taken no more than about 30
*seconds*. 

If you can't get somewhere 'by name', you try to get there 'by address'.

If 'by address' works and 'by name' doesn't, *that* is the indication of
a DNS problem.

If you can't get there 'by address', it is *NOT* a DNS problem, and you 
start looking for a 'connectivity' problem.

The *BASIC* tools for that start with 'traceroute'.  Which would have
*immediately* (well, within abut ten seconds :) indicated exactly _where_ 
the problem was.

Those  who don't understand these kind dof things are too dangerous
to be trusted with the superuser password.

Bluntly, not only do you not know the things you need to know to manage
a (even 'personal') network, you DON'T KNOW _what_ you don't know, and 
until you *do* learn the basics, you'll save youself a *LOT* of hair-
tearing if you hire someone to solve the problems for you.
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Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-22 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:14:50PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:

  From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Thu Sep 22 14:30:49 2011
  Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:30:54 -0700
  From: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org
  To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Cc: 
  Subject: much to my surprise
 
 
  guys,
 
  well, after a forced, unexpected, and emergency 5 days away, i got
  back to my desk and could not ping.  while mail seemed to be working, 
  and my *local* ping worked---I could ping around from my freebsd server
  to my other computers--i spent 3+ hours trying to ping various
  sites.  Zero.  i tried everything i could think of.  NOTHING worked.  
  i tried the -d -f -f to named and on and on and on.  nothing.
 
  *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red
  LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the
  default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.  
  and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
  network things will work too.  
 
  from any/all sysadmin types or others::
  i would like tricks, tips, insights--whatever--about named and
  whatever else.  i thought i had collected many.  nope.i've got
  bind 9.8 installed and it was working fine until my recent
  'vacation.'  Other than checking one's routers (hub/switch), and other 
  hardware (including server, computers, cables, etc) does anybody have a
  checklist of what to do to diagnose this?  are there any other
  utilities i can try besides ping and named -d 3 -f -g?   other
  network utilities with a debug flag?  i'm running 7.3 on a dell 530.
 
  tia for any insights,
 
 You should _really_ consider hiring a professional to maintain your 
 systems.
 
 Diagnosing _this_ problem should have taken no more than about 30
 *seconds*. 
 
 If you can't get somewhere 'by name', you try to get there 'by address'.
 
 If 'by address' works and 'by name' doesn't, *that* is the indication of
 a DNS problem.
 
 If you can't get there 'by address', it is *NOT* a DNS problem, and you 
 start looking for a 'connectivity' problem.
 
 The *BASIC* tools for that start with 'traceroute'.  Which would have
 *immediately* (well, within abut ten seconds :) indicated exactly _where_ 
 the problem was.
 
 Those  who don't understand these kind dof things are too dangerous
 to be trusted with the superuser password.
 
 Bluntly, not only do you not know the things you need to know to manage
 a (even 'personal') network, you DON'T KNOW _what_ you don't know, and 
 until you *do* learn the basics, you'll save youself a *LOT* of hair-
 tearing if you hire someone to solve the problems for you.


While your information may be correct and useful, your self-righteous
arrogant diatribe is not helpful or appropriate on this list.  

jerry 
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Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-22 Thread Ryan Coleman

On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:

 From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Thu Sep 22 14:30:49 2011
 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:30:54 -0700
 From: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org
 To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Cc: 
 Subject: much to my surprise
 
 
 guys,
 
 well, after a forced, unexpected, and emergency 5 days away, i got
 back to my desk and could not ping.  while mail seemed to be working, 
 and my *local* ping worked---I could ping around from my freebsd server
 to my other computers--i spent 3+ hours trying to ping various
 sites.  Zero.  i tried everything i could think of.  NOTHING worked.  
 i tried the -d -f -f to named and on and on and on.  nothing.
 
 *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red
 LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the
 default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.  
 and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
 network things will work too.  
 
 from any/all sysadmin types or others::
 i would like tricks, tips, insights--whatever--about named and
 whatever else.  i thought i had collected many.  nope.i've got
 bind 9.8 installed and it was working fine until my recent
 'vacation.'  Other than checking one's routers (hub/switch), and other 
 hardware (including server, computers, cables, etc) does anybody have a
 checklist of what to do to diagnose this?  are there any other
 utilities i can try besides ping and named -d 3 -f -g?   other
 network utilities with a debug flag?  i'm running 7.3 on a dell 530.
 
 tia for any insights,
 
 You should _really_ consider hiring a professional to maintain your 
 systems.
 
 Diagnosing _this_ problem should have taken no more than about 30
 *seconds*. 
 
 If you can't get somewhere 'by name', you try to get there 'by address'.
 
 If 'by address' works and 'by name' doesn't, *that* is the indication of
 a DNS problem.
 
 If you can't get there 'by address', it is *NOT* a DNS problem, and you 
 start looking for a 'connectivity' problem.
 
 The *BASIC* tools for that start with 'traceroute'.  Which would have
 *immediately* (well, within abut ten seconds :) indicated exactly _where_ 
 the problem was.
 
 Those  who don't understand these kind dof things are too dangerous
 to be trusted with the superuser password.
 
 Bluntly, not only do you not know the things you need to know to manage
 a (even 'personal') network, you DON'T KNOW _what_ you don't know, and 
 until you *do* learn the basics, you'll save youself a *LOT* of hair-
 tearing if you hire someone to solve the problems for you.

I whole-heartedly agree with Robert's points.

I host in my apartment... but I have more than a decade's experience 
maintaining networks and systems and, while the occasional issue stumps me, I'm 
pretty good at getting to the root of issues in minutes vs hours.

Yes, I was once a... for lack of a better term... moron on these things and I 
relied heavily on the tech who pushed me (gently) towards ƒBSD from RHL and I 
am gracious every day for that nudge.

Experience is the best way to pick up the quick list of things to check on if 
there's a problem on your connectivity... but there's one thing I *must* 
stress: NEVER EVER EVER run your own DNS service. It's too much of a PITA. When 
I quit doing my own DNS my issues revolving around that ended. I use DynDNS to 
run my primary domain and all the others run through GoDaddy's free DNS 
manager. This is because I use the primary domain's hostname as my MX record on 
all the others. While GD's DNS is functional, it's also cumbersome, too 
cumbersome to update on a semi-regular basis.
I highly suggest that you do the same. $20/year for DynDNS' full domain service 
is worth the price.

My two bits (and a nibble).
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Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-22 Thread Frank Shute
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 04:28:50PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:

 
 On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
 
  From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Thu Sep 22 14:30:49
  2011 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:30:54 -0700 From: Gary Kline
  kl...@thought.org To: FreeBSD Mailing List
  freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: much to my
  surprise
  
  
  guys,
  
  well, after a forced, unexpected, and emergency 5 days away, i
  got back to my desk and could not ping.  while mail seemed to be
  working, and my *local* ping worked---I could ping around from my
  freebsd server to my other computers--i spent 3+ hours trying to
  ping various sites.  Zero.  i tried everything i could think of.
  NOTHING worked.  i tried the -d -f -f to named and on and on and
  on.  nothing.
  
  *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in
  red LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but
  the default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.
  and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
  network things will work too.  
  
  from any/all sysadmin types or others:: i would like tricks,
  tips, insights--whatever--about named and whatever else.  i
  thought i had collected many.  nope.i've got bind 9.8
  installed and it was working fine until my recent 'vacation.'
  Other than checking one's routers (hub/switch), and other
  hardware (including server, computers, cables, etc) does anybody
  have a checklist of what to do to diagnose this?  are there any
  other utilities i can try besides ping and named -d 3 -f -g?
  other network utilities with a debug flag?  i'm running 7.3 on a
  dell 530.
  
  tia for any insights,
  
  You should _really_ consider hiring a professional to maintain
  your systems.
  
  Diagnosing _this_ problem should have taken no more than about 30
  *seconds*. 
  
  If you can't get somewhere 'by name', you try to get there 'by
  address'.
  
  If 'by address' works and 'by name' doesn't, *that* is the
  indication of a DNS problem.
  
  If you can't get there 'by address', it is *NOT* a DNS problem,
  and you start looking for a 'connectivity' problem.
  
  The *BASIC* tools for that start with 'traceroute'.  Which would
  have *immediately* (well, within abut ten seconds :) indicated
  exactly _where_ the problem was.
  
  Those  who don't understand these kind dof things are too
  dangerous to be trusted with the superuser password.
  
  Bluntly, not only do you not know the things you need to know to
  manage a (even 'personal') network, you DON'T KNOW _what_ you
  don't know, and until you *do* learn the basics, you'll save
  youself a *LOT* of hair- tearing if you hire someone to solve the
  problems for you.
 
 I whole-heartedly agree with Robert's points.
 
 I host in my apartment... but I have more than a decade's experience
 maintaining networks and systems and, while the occasional issue
 stumps me, I'm pretty good at getting to the root of issues in
 minutes vs hours.
 
 Yes, I was once a... for lack of a better term... moron on these
 things and I relied heavily on the tech who pushed me (gently)
 towards ?BSD from RHL and I am gracious every day for that nudge.
 
 Experience is the best way to pick up the quick list of things to
 check on if there's a problem on your connectivity... but there's
 one thing I *must* stress: NEVER EVER EVER run your own DNS service.
 It's too much of a PITA. When I quit doing my own DNS my issues
 revolving around that ended. I use DynDNS to run my primary domain
 and all the others run through GoDaddy's free DNS manager. This is
 because I use the primary domain's hostname as my MX record on all
 the others. While GD's DNS is functional, it's also cumbersome, too
 cumbersome to update on a semi-regular basis.  I highly suggest that
 you do the same. $20/year for DynDNS' full domain service is worth
 the price.
 
 My two bits (and a nibble).  --
 Ryan___


It's $30/year for DynDNS where I am (UK).

I had to use them because my static IP all of a sudden became dynamic
(crappy ISP). Now it seems to have gone back to static again.

I certainly wouldn't consider running my own DNS server (having done
it). It's more trouble than it's worth and is just one more
vulnerability/thing to go wrong. You can just use hosts for a small
network.


Regards,

-- 

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Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-22 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 04:28:50PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:28:50 -0500
 From: Ryan Coleman edi...@d3photography.com
 Subject: Re: much to my surprise
 To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, kl...@thought.org
 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3)
 
 
 On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
 
  From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Thu Sep 22 14:30:49 2011
  Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:30:54 -0700
  From: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org
  To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Cc: 
  Subject: much to my surprise
  
  
  guys,
  
  well, after a forced, unexpected, and emergency 5 days away, i got
  back to my desk and could not ping.  while mail seemed to be working, 
  and my *local* ping worked---I could ping around from my freebsd server
  to my other computers--i spent 3+ hours trying to ping various
  sites.  Zero.  i tried everything i could think of.  NOTHING worked.  
  i tried the -d -f -f to named and on and on and on.  nothing.
  
  *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red
  LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the
  default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.  
  and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
  network things will work too.  
  
  from any/all sysadmin types or others::
  i would like tricks, tips, insights--whatever--about named and
  whatever else.  i thought i had collected many.  nope.i've got
  bind 9.8 installed and it was working fine until my recent
  'vacation.'  Other than checking one's routers (hub/switch), and other 
  hardware (including server, computers, cables, etc) does anybody have a
  checklist of what to do to diagnose this?  are there any other
  utilities i can try besides ping and named -d 3 -f -g?   other
  network utilities with a debug flag?  i'm running 7.3 on a dell 530.
  
  tia for any insights,
  
  You should _really_ consider hiring a professional to maintain your 
  systems.
  
  Diagnosing _this_ problem should have taken no more than about 30
  *seconds*. 
  
  If you can't get somewhere 'by name', you try to get there 'by address'.
  
  If 'by address' works and 'by name' doesn't, *that* is the indication of
  a DNS problem.
  
  If you can't get there 'by address', it is *NOT* a DNS problem, and you 
  start looking for a 'connectivity' problem.

points all well taken, robert, thanks.  i was ready to fire
off a few shots of my colt bisley 454, then took two deep
breaths and soldiered on.  [note that at least one other
fellow has suggested that i just hire somebody to maintain
my connectivity.]  but i've been doing this for a while, and
until i was away for five days, everything had been going
fine for over a month.  oh:: one power-out.  the UPS saved
the server, but everything else needed to be reinitialized.

  
  The *BASIC* tools for that start with 'traceroute'.  Which would have
  *immediately* (well, within abut ten seconds :) indicated exactly _where_ 
  the problem was.


would traceroute have told me to check the modem/router?  


  
  Those  who don't understand these kind dof things are too dangerous
  to be trusted with the superuser password.
  
  Bluntly, not only do you not know the things you need to know to manage
  a (even 'personal') network, you DON'T KNOW _what_ you don't know, and 
  until you *do* learn the basics, you'll save youself a *LOT* of hair-
  tearing if you hire someone to solve the problems for you.
 
 I whole-heartedly agree with Robert's points.
 
 I host in my apartment... but I have more than a decade's experience 
 maintaining networks and systems and, while the occasional issue stumps me, 
 I'm pretty good at getting to the root of issues in minutes vs hours.


would you believe: i'm slow at typing, ?
 
 Yes, I was once a... for lack of a better term... moron on these things and I 
 relied heavily on the tech who pushed me (gently) towards ?BSD from RHL and I 
 am gracious every day for that nudge.
 
i've used REAL UNIX [[$1100] for  SVR4; and before than VAT,
a 286 version of SVR2; then chose FreeBSD  with 2.0.5.  
things started out as a dialup BBS and evolved since july '86
system administration is something i do reluctantly.
adding system calls to the tera kernel plus other kernel
work on the the hardware version of a 128-stream CPU seemed
 infinitely easier than this


 Experience is the best way to pick up the quick list of things to check on 
 if there's a problem on your connectivity... but there's one thing I *must* 
 stress: NEVER EVER EVER run your own DNS service. It's too much of a PITA. 
 When I quit doing my own DNS my issues revolving around that ended. 

i dont want to sound like a goodie two-shoes, but i've been
running a web site for a builder

Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-22 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of September 22, 2011 6:31:19 PM -0700, Gary Kline is alleged to have 
said:



i'm to the point where letting somebody else handle the
dns-and-outward side sounds better by the day.  i'v got more
question if you care to answer them.  i've been using
gkg.net for a few years--8 or 9 anyway.  but if switching to
dyndns saves a lot of my flubs,  hey.


--As for the rest, it is mine.

Just as an alternative vote: I've been using ZoneEdit for years.  It's free 
if you are just running a couple of small sites.  (Although I haven't tried 
their dynamic DNS features. I just pay the ISP for a static.)


Daniel T. Staal

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Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-22 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 09:43:00PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:43:00 -0400
 From: Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net
 Subject: Re: much to my surprise
 To: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X)
 
 --As of September 22, 2011 6:31:19 PM -0700, Gary Kline is alleged
 to have said:
 
  i'm to the point where letting somebody else handle the
  dns-and-outward side sounds better by the day.  i'v got more
  question if you care to answer them.  i've been using
  gkg.net for a few years--8 or 9 anyway.  but if switching to
  dyndns saves a lot of my flubs,  hey.
 
 --As for the rest, it is mine.
 
 Just as an alternative vote: I've been using ZoneEdit for years.
 It's free if you are just running a couple of small sites.
 (Although I haven't tried their dynamic DNS features. I just pay the
 ISP for a static.)


i've got 5 static IP's and several / many virtual domains.
that's one reason i've hesitated.  i'd guess maybe 3-6 megs
of stuff.  mostly text.  

www.thought.org is home; another directory hosts
jottings.thought.org; another is
transfinite.thougght.org;  and
philosophy.thought.org.

i want to add a bbs or forum like phpbb3, IIRC.  If i find
some reasonable hosting place, how will be be able to mess
with that.  last time, i remember getting that going pretty
tough.  i'd like to have forums available on at least two of
my virtual or subdomain websites.

having it HERE, no problem ...  

hm.  there was recent discussion about mysql and openoffice
and all that stuff.  i was having trouble  with mysql .
that's a whole nother thread.


 
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RE: much to my surprise.... [ now trending #OT ]

2011-09-22 Thread Matt Emmerton
  *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red
  LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the
  default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.  
  and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
  network things will work too.  

The Mark I eyeball is an amazing tool.

I recently had a HDSL link provided by my telco go down.  I happened to be 2
hours away from the facility at the time.  Tech support said the problem was
the router because they couldn't get to it, and they just wouldn't believe
me that it was up.  (I could ping it from the inside via the secondary
network connection.)  So after I drove to the facility, I noticed that the
HDSL modem (which is line-powered from some box on the street) had no
lights.  Ahah!  28 hours later (sigh) they found a blown circuit breaker
somewhere.

snip

 but i've been doing this for a while, and
 until i was away for five days, everything had been going
 fine for over a month.  oh:: one power-out.  the UPS saved
 the server, but everything else needed to be reinitialized.

A lesson that I learned many years ago - if you can afford a big UPS for
your servers, you can afford a little one for your telco/network
equipment.

--
Matt Emmerton

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