Karl Denninger schrieb:
This is not cool folks.
I think you misunderstood what -STABLE means. (Or maybe I do?)
-STABLE is still a development branch without guarantee of a stable and
working operating system. -STABLE guarantees that interfaces remain
stable. If you want reliability then
I've just watched over some of the gjournal threads.
My main question now is, whats the difference from gjournal and
softupdates in case of reability ?
Wasn't SU design to make the use of journals needless? As far i
remember, SU was designed to write in the cache in such a way, that
whenever
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Only bgfsck
has todo a snapshot and cleanup unused space that got lost cause the
SU did not finish as the crash occured.
Maybe someone can give me some light into that :). I always tought that
*BSD don't need a journaling FS as it has already SU
Soft-updates was a
Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- todays desktop drives can lie about writing data. SoftUpdates relies
on some assumptions about when the data is physically written to
media, and those are not always valid today
I think journaling relies on the same assumptions.
However, with journaling
On Monday 11 September 2006 21:55, Marcelo Gardini do Amaral wrote:
I would like to discuss a little bit more about UDP performance. I've
made some tests and the results may have some value here.
In this test is easy to see that there is something different in the
FreeBSD 6 branch.
I made a
Christian Laursen wrote:
Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- todays desktop drives can lie about writing data. SoftUpdates relies
on some assumptions about when the data is physically written to
media, and those are not always valid today
I think journaling relies on the same assumptions.
Christian Laursen wrote:
However, with journaling you can have filesystem corruption and not know
about it. With fsck, bg or not, at least you will know.
Also, I'm interested about this - what kind of silent corruption? The
same kind that can generally come from on-drive caches?
Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Christian Laursen wrote:
Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- todays desktop drives can lie about writing data. SoftUpdates relies
on some assumptions about when the data is physically written to
media, and those are not always valid today
I think
Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Christian Laursen wrote:
However, with journaling you can have filesystem corruption and not know
about it. With fsck, bg or not, at least you will know.
Also, I'm interested about this - what kind of silent corruption? The
same kind that can generally
Christian Laursen wrote:
Journaling also needs writes to be done in the correct order. You don't
want to write the real update to the filesystem before you have made sure
Ok, but journal is (or should be) protected by checksumming or some kind
of record markers, so invalid entries are not
Last time I built a kernel on Releng_6 (only a couple of days ago)
everything was fine with -j 4.
Now buildkernel stops, this is an example:
=== sound/driver/als4000 (depend)
awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/device_if.m -h
machine - /usr/src/sys/i386/include
awk: can't open file
Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Christian Laursen wrote:
Journaling also needs writes to be done in the correct order. You don't
want to write the real update to the filesystem before you have made sure
Ok, but journal is (or should be) protected by checksumming or some
kind of record
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:53:28PM +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze wrote:
Last time I built a kernel on Releng_6 (only a couple of days ago)
everything was fine with -j 4.
Now buildkernel stops, this is an example:
=== sound/driver/als4000 (depend)
awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/device_if.m -h
Now i am using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. Now want to upgrade to FreeBSD
6.1-Stable. What is the easy process ?
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On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:53:28PM +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze wrote:
Last time I built a kernel on Releng_6 (only a couple of days ago)
everything was fine with -j 4.
Now buildkernel stops, this is an example:
...
Where it stops is random (I suppose it sometimes is
S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) wrote:
Now i am using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. Now want to upgrade to FreeBSD
6.1-Stable. What is the easy process ?
this works well
http://mikestammer.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=bsd:updateos
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Eric wrote:
S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) wrote:
Now i am using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. Now want to upgrade to FreeBSD
6.1-Stable. What is the easy process ?
this works well
http://mikestammer.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=bsd:updateos
the cvsup part looks ok but for the actual build then read
On Sep 12, 2006, at 3:06 AM, Björn König wrote:
-STABLE is still a development branch without guarantee of a stable
and working operating system. -STABLE guarantees that interfaces
remain stable. If you want reliability then jump from release to
release.
If you want reliability, then
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 19:34, Christian Laursen wrote:
Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- todays desktop drives can lie about writing data. SoftUpdates relies
on some assumptions about when the data is physically written to
media, and those are not always valid today
I think
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Vivek Khera wrote:
| If you want reliability, then you need to do your own testing on your
| own hardware on your own application prior to replacing your working
| version with the new one. Never rely on anyone else saying Yeah, it
| will work. It
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:06:15AM +0200, Bj?rn K?nig wrote:
Karl Denninger schrieb:
This is not cool folks.
I think you misunderstood what -STABLE means. (Or maybe I do?)
-STABLE is still a development branch without guarantee of a stable and
working operating system. -STABLE
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:59:02AM -0400, Vivek Khera wrote:
On Sep 12, 2006, at 3:06 AM, Bj?rn K?nig wrote:
-STABLE is still a development branch without guarantee of a stable
and working operating system. -STABLE guarantees that interfaces
remain stable. If you want reliability then
Hi list
I'm upgrading 5.4 p18 to 6.1 p6.
here's my tag: RELENG_6_1
I did:
make update
make cleanworld
make buildworld
which gives following issue:
cap_mkdb: illegal option -i
It seems a known problem on netbsd during buildworld compilation. here's
the solution I'm tring:
cd
You might want to read:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html
Andreas
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Hi.
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:15:47AM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
I don't think its too much to ask that before something is MFC'd back
to -STABLE from -CURRENT that it at least be tested for the most
common functionality (that is, does it work at all?) In this case all
that someone had to
Karl Denninger wrote:
You've never been able to get reliability by jumping from release to release,
eh? Been doing that for 10 years without a single significant
problem. Granted, we've been lucky enough here not to encounter (a)
flakier hardware components and/or (b) flakier combos of
Vince wrote:
Eric wrote:
S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) wrote:
Now i am using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. Now want to upgrade to FreeBSD
6.1-Stable. What is the easy process ?
this works well
http://mikestammer.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=bsd:updateos
the cvsup part looks ok but for the
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 04:52:32PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi list
I'm upgrading 5.4 p18 to 6.1 p6.
here's my tag: RELENG_6_1
I did:
make update
make cleanworld
make buildworld
which gives following issue:
cap_mkdb: illegal option -i
It seems a known problem on netbsd
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:55:48 -0500
Greg Barniskis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you /track/ STABLE by frequently cvsupping it and rebuilding your
system, you will very likely encounter a serious problem sooner or
later. That's why tracking it is not recommended for production
systems.
Oliver Fromme wrote:
Vince wrote:
Eric wrote:
S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) wrote:
Now i am using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. Now want to upgrade to FreeBSD
6.1-Stable. What is the easy process ?
this works well
http://mikestammer.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=bsd:updateos
the
Greg Barniskis wrote:
Karl Denninger wrote:
and every time someone comes in the lists to complain about something
being
broken in -RELEASE, the advice is to go to and track -STABLE!
Maybe splitting hairs, but advising a user with a problem to try using
the -STABLE code that exists at the time
At 10:15 AM 9/12/2006, Karl Denninger wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:06:15AM +0200, Bj?rn K?nig wrote:
Karl Denninger schrieb:
This is not cool folks.
I think you misunderstood what -STABLE means. (Or maybe I do?)
-STABLE is still a development branch without guarantee of a stable and
Karl Denninger wrote:
You've never been able to get reliability by jumping from release to release,
I think there are a lot of users who disagree with you on that one.
and every time someone comes in the lists to complain about something being
broken in -RELEASE, the advice is to go to and
What are ppl currently using for CFLAGS/COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf for
building kernel/world? I know awhile back it wasn't recommended to go
above -O2, for instance, but suspect that has changed ... ?
Thanks ...
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
What are ppl currently using for CFLAGS/COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf for
building kernel/world? I know awhile back it wasn't recommended to go
above -O2, for instance, but suspect that has changed ... ?
CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing
COPTFLAGS=-O2 -pipe
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 04:22:51PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
What are ppl currently using for CFLAGS/COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf for
building kernel/world? I know awhile back it wasn't recommended to go
above -O2, for instance, but suspect that has changed ... ?
Nothing above -O2 is
Karl Denninger wrote:
I don't think its too much to ask that before something is MFC'd back to
-STABLE from -CURRENT that it at least be tested for the most common
functionality (that is, does it work at all?) In this case all that someone
had to do was boot the system and then detach and
Christian Laursen wrote:
Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Christian Laursen wrote:
However, with journaling you can have filesystem corruption and not know
about it. With fsck, bg or not, at least you will know.
Also, I'm interested about this - what kind of silent
On Tue, September 12, 2006 12:22 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
What are ppl currently using for CFLAGS/COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf
for building kernel/world? I know awhile back it wasn't recommended
to go above -O2, for instance, but suspect that has changed ... ?
The defaults are -O2 -pipe
A RELENG_6 buildkernel with sources updated about 2 hours ago seems to
break down (after a successfull buildworld) on the following error.
cc -c -O -pipe -march=athlon -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline
-Wcast-qual
On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 23:24 +0200, Pascal G. Hofstee wrote:
A RELENG_6 buildkernel with sources updated about 2 hours ago seems to
break down (after a successfull buildworld) on the following error.
snip
I tried updating from at least 3 different cvsup-servers but i am not
seeing any
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:47:50PM +0200, Teufel wrote:
Well, thats why i actually don't find journaling filesystems very sexy.
So the question is, if it is still safe to use fsck on a gjournal
enabled FS ?
Well, if you just want to check, you can take a snapshot and run fsck -n
on it. That
A friend of mine decided to take me up on my offer to help him set up
and run a freebsd-stable system (he's a photographer who's only ever
used shell accounts onto linux systems before).
We setup a gmirror using Approach 2 from
http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror.
It's been up and running for
On 12 September 2006, at 02:06, Björn König wrote:
Karl Denninger schrieb:
This is not cool folks.
I think you misunderstood what -STABLE means. (Or maybe I do?)
-STABLE is still a development branch without guarantee of a stable
and working operating system.
Hahahahaha... That's
(I know double posting is bad form but this includes new information and
it's been several days. Suggestions on where else to look for help are
welcome, highpoint was no help)
I set up a new server recently and transferred all the information from
my old server over. I tried to use unison to
Jonathan Stewart writes:
[...]
I set up a new server recently and transferred all the information from
my old server over. I tried to use unison to synchronize the backup of
pictures I have taken and noticed that a large number of pictures where
marked as changed on the server. After
Hi all,
I have a Thinkpad z60m, with a custom kernel conf. I was trailing RELENG_6 (aka
STABLE) on an almost daily basis (and world updates every week). ACPI enabled,
APIC disabled.
I can't tell for sure when
trouble started, but roughly about 2 weeks ago I couldn't resume from suspend
anymore.
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