On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 09:33:31AM -0400, Mike Jakubik wrote:
+ Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote:
+ One can still see how many sectors exactly has the partition he is going
+ to create file system on and add additional newfs(8) flag
+ '-s sectors-1'.
+
+
+ gmirror utility uses on-disk metadata
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 05:51:26PM -0400, Mike Jakubik wrote:
+ Can someone with knowledge of the UFS internals please confirm one way
+ or the other if this is dangerous or not?
+
+
+ I'm curious to know this as well, as i have some systems using gmirror,
that were setup in this fashion.
Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote:
I can't give you an authoritative answer, because I don't know UFS
internals so well. All I know is that it (UFS) thinks the last sector is
available and may want to use it at some point getting EIO then.
I'm not using this method, but I've heard of many people using
On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:12 AM, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote:
I can't give you an authoritative answer, because I don't know UFS
internals so well. All I know is that it (UFS) thinks the last
sector is
available and may want to use it at some point getting EIO then.
Well, my ovservation from
Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote:
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 05:51:26PM -0400, Mike Jakubik wrote:
+ Can someone with knowledge of the UFS internals please confirm one way
+ or the other if this is dangerous or not?
+
+
+ I'm curious to know this as well, as i have some systems using gmirror,
that
Eric Anderson wrote:
Mike Jakubik wrote:
Craig Boston wrote:
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:04:02AM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote:
There's no need to copy files around. gmirror handles it all for you
behind the scenes. Just create the gmirror labels using the existing
disks/slices/partitions,
Craig Boston wrote:
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:04:02AM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote:
There's no need to copy files around. gmirror handles it all for you
behind the scenes. Just create the gmirror labels using the existing
disks/slices/partitions, then insert the second set of
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:04:02AM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote:
There's no need to copy files around. gmirror handles it all for you
behind the scenes. Just create the gmirror labels using the existing
disks/slices/partitions, then insert the second set of
disks/slices/parittions. gmirror
On Friday 03 March 2006 23:45, Mark Kirkwood wrote:
I would certainly see the installer handling software RAID as a
considerable benefit.
From what I've seen on the net, to install and boot off RAIDed system
disks is quite fiddly (maybe gmirror is the exception here, as I've
mainly
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 08:55, Volker wrote:
I do agree that gmirror is not that bad and not that difficult. But
take a look at how to setup a fresh system using gmirror (slice by
slice mirroring):
- install a complete system to a fresh disc
- create the (well sized) slices on a 2nd disc
Hi!
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:39:29AM -0300, JoaoBR wrote:
there is no need to copy anything around ...
- you do install the system as usual
- before rebooting you create the to be mirrored disk with the gmirror label
command
(you do not loose data here)
- then you change your fstab
Patrick,
On 2006-03-07 13:45, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
.
Are there instructions on how to do this to mirror a slice instead of
an entire disk?
Thanks,
Patrick
Yes, Ralf S. Engelschall created a good guide:
http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/
See 'GEOM mirror Approach 2: Single
Hello!
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 01:56:57PM +0100, Volker wrote:
Patrick,
On 2006-03-07 13:45, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
.
Are there instructions on how to do this to mirror a slice instead of
an entire disk?
Thanks,
Patrick
Yes, Ralf S. Engelschall created a good guide:
Patrick,
On 2006-03-07 14:22, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
Hello!
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 01:56:57PM +0100, Volker wrote:
Patrick,
On 2006-03-07 13:45, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
.
Are there instructions on how to do this to mirror a slice instead of
an entire disk?
Thanks,
Patrick
On Tue, March 7, 2006 4:39 am, JoaoBR wrote:
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 08:55, Volker wrote:
I do agree that gmirror is not that bad and not that difficult. But
take a look at how to setup a fresh system using gmirror (slice by
slice mirroring):
- install a complete system to a fresh disc
-
Hello!
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 06:58:50PM -0800, George Hartzell wrote:
http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200502/diskmirror.html
When the mirror is up and running, cvsup, buildworld, buildkernel,
installkernel, installworld, mergemaster, reboot, enjoy ;-)
I think that the instructions
On Monday 06 March 2006 08:41, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
AFAIK soft-updates don't put your root partition at risk _directly_.
You might run into problems, _if_ your root partition is rather
small, during installworld/installkernel. This is due to the
delayed freeing of data blocks when files
Hi!
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 10:26:53AM -0300, JoaoBR wrote:
I did configure quite a few servers with soft-updates on all
partitions, when soft-updates were rather new and I was
excited about the performance gain and didn't know about
the possible problems with / - as I said, I never had a
On Sunday 05 March 2006 01:22, Mark Kirkwood wrote:
JoaoBR wrote:
geom changed this complications definitely, using gmirror or gstripe
commands is easy as copying a file.
(Chuckles) - While I see your point, I see that Ralf E's article
discussing this very issue weighs in at about a
On Monday 06 March 2006 10:34, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
Hi!
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 10:26:53AM -0300, JoaoBR wrote:
I did configure quite a few servers with soft-updates on all
partitions, when soft-updates were rather new and I was
excited about the performance gain and didn't know
On Friday 03 March 2006 23:45, Mark Kirkwood wrote:
I would certainly see the installer handling software RAID as a
considerable benefit.
From what I've seen on the net, to install and boot off RAIDed system
disks is quite fiddly (maybe gmirror is the exception here, as I've
mainly been
JoaoBR wrote:
On Friday 03 March 2006 23:45, Mark Kirkwood wrote:
I would certainly see the installer handling software RAID as a
considerable benefit.
From what I've seen on the net, to install and boot off RAIDed system
disks is quite fiddly (maybe gmirror is the exception here, as I've
Hello!
Since you have the luxury of doing this at install time, check out the
instructions at:
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/11/10/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=1
It worked for me and I think it's more like what you want than the
http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200502/diskmirror.html
On Friday 03 March 2006 00:01, Mike Jakubik wrote:
Because most Linux distributions have had this feature for a while now.
It's no secret that our installer blows. It gets the job done for a
basic install, provided you know its quirks, and thats it.
I don't think that having or not a raid
On Friday 03 March 2006 03:01, Mike Jakubik wrote:
JoaoBR wrote:
On Thursday 02 March 2006 22:59, Mike Jakubik wrote:
Thats what i figured. Its sad that the fbsd installer is so behind the
linux ones, in terms of setting up raid and lvm during install.
I'm sorry that such things make
On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 06:23:37PM -0500, Mike Jakubik wrote:
Is it possible to boot off the install CD, setup a gmirror, and then
reboot and install on the mirror (and expect things to work ok)? Anyone
try this? It would be nice if the installer let you do this...
It could be possible, I
JoaoBR wrote:
On Friday 03 March 2006 00:01, Mike Jakubik wrote:
Because most Linux distributions have had this feature for a while now.
It's no secret that our installer blows. It gets the job done for a
basic install, provided you know its quirks, and thats it.
I don't think that
Mike Jakubik wrote:
Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
Hello!
Is it possible to boot off the install CD, setup a gmirror, and
then
reboot and install on the mirror (and expect things to work ok)?
Anyone
try this? It would be nice if the installer let you do this...
AFAIK, no.
Install a minimal
Dominic Marks wrote:
Someone could be funded to work on this like the TCP/IP performance
project. I'd be willing to make a donation, as I am sure you would
Mike. All that is required is a willing + able person and enough
donations to make it worth his or her while.
Volunteers?
Well, there
I think the FreeBSD approach is fairly typical - you get the OS running
and then mirror it.
On Fri, 2006-Mar-03 10:43:26 +, John Hawkes-Reed wrote:
From what I remember, the Solaris installer is fairly pretty and works well,
while the HP example is somewhat messy. The mirroring instructions
On Friday 03 March 2006 12:27, Mike Jakubik wrote:
JoaoBR wrote:
The only advantage I can see is when you really want raid at install time
and that definitly is not usual.
What planet are you from? It's very usual. You setup RAID before you
copy data to the array, not the other way
JoaoBR wrote:
On Friday 03 March 2006 12:27, Mike Jakubik wrote:
The only advantage I can see is when you really want raid at install time
and that definitly is not usual.
What planet are you from? It's very usual. You setup RAID before you
copy data to the array, not the other way
On Friday 03 March 2006 17:36, Mike Jakubik wrote:
What are you talking about? I think its time to brush up on your english
reading and writing skills. It takes much more work, time, and
complexity to 1) boot cd and install os 2) reboot to os and follow a
complex procedure to setup geom
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:36:17PM -0500, Mike Jakubik wrote:
What are you talking about? I think its time to brush up on your english
reading and writing skills. It takes much more work, time, and
complexity to 1) boot cd and install os 2) reboot to os and follow a
complex procedure to
JoaoBR wrote:
On Friday 03 March 2006 17:36, Mike Jakubik wrote:
What are you talking about? I think its time to brush up on your english
reading and writing skills. It takes much more work, time, and
complexity to 1) boot cd and install os 2) reboot to os and follow a
complex procedure to
craig and the rest of the gang ...
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:54:33PM -0600, Craig Boston wrote:
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:36:17PM -0500, Mike Jakubik wrote:
with some chunks removed for brevity ...
It takes much more work, time, and complexity to 1) boot cd and
install os 2) reboot to
jonathan michaels wrote:
craig, RAID no matter how simple is a step of complexity that is not
warrented for the Installer as most people new to freebsd are new to
unix and these days new to computing in general or have just enough ms
windows under their belts/skirts to be a bloody nuisance to
Quoting jonathan michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
craig and the rest of the gang ...
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:54:33PM -0600, Craig Boston wrote:
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:36:17PM -0500, Mike Jakubik wrote:
with some chunks removed for brevity ...
It takes much more work, time, and
On Friday 03 March 2006 20:53, Mike Jakubik wrote:
I doubt there is much i can learn from you about FreeBSD, as i've been
tststs pay more attention, we spoke about install time not about learning FBSD
using it since the 2.x days. I'm well aware how long it takes to setup
you should have
JoaoBR wrote:
thank's for your kind advice :)
so listen and learn:
FreeBSD any version from CD is up in 10 minutes, reboot is 30-40 seconds
that what you call complex procedure to set up a raid is done by three
commands, 2 minutes for a slow typer perhaps?
I would certainly see the
Patrick M. Hausen writes:
Hello!
Is it possible to boot off the install CD, setup a gmirror, and then
reboot and install on the mirror (and expect things to work ok)? Anyone
try this? It would be nice if the installer let you do this...
AFAIK, no.
Install a minimal system
Mike Jakubik wrote:
Andrew, have you considered adding support for creating geom based
raid/lvm to the bsd installer?
I have added it to my todo list. I want to get something in working with
a release and any changes needed in cvs before I look at adding more
features.
Andrew
Is it possible to boot off the install CD, setup a gmirror, and then
reboot and install on the mirror (and expect things to work ok)? Anyone
try this? It would be nice if the installer let you do this...
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Hello!
Is it possible to boot off the install CD, setup a gmirror, and then
reboot and install on the mirror (and expect things to work ok)? Anyone
try this? It would be nice if the installer let you do this...
AFAIK, no.
Install a minimal system on the first disk, then follow
these
Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
Hello!
Is it possible to boot off the install CD, setup a gmirror, and then
reboot and install on the mirror (and expect things to work ok)? Anyone
try this? It would be nice if the installer let you do this...
AFAIK, no.
Install a minimal system on the
On Thursday 02 March 2006 22:59, Mike Jakubik wrote:
Thats what i figured. Its sad that the fbsd installer is so behind the
linux ones, in terms of setting up raid and lvm during install.
I'm sorry that such things make you sad but do you mind to explain why this is
behind ?
What would be
JoaoBR wrote:
On Thursday 02 March 2006 22:59, Mike Jakubik wrote:
Thats what i figured. Its sad that the fbsd installer is so behind the
linux ones, in terms of setting up raid and lvm during install.
I'm sorry that such things make you sad but do you mind to explain why this is
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, JoaoBR wrote:
On Thursday 02 March 2006 22:59, Mike Jakubik wrote:
Thats what i figured. Its sad that the fbsd installer is so behind the
linux ones, in terms of setting up raid and lvm during install.
I'm sorry that such things make you sad but do you mind to explain why
On 3/2/06, Mitch Parks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
apropos of raid awareness:
Having this in the installer seems like a very useful addition!
I would favour a geom-aware installer. Maybe start migrating towards
a geom default for as much as possible. Issues of kernel bloat and
If it works, don't
Is it possible to boot off the install CD, setup a gmirror, and then
reboot and install on the mirror (and expect things to work ok)? Anyone
try this? It would be nice if the installer let you do this...
Since you have the luxury of doing this at install time, check out the
instructions
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