On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:45:59 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith
step...@missouri.edu wrote:
More recently I have had to start using Linux because FreeBSD doesn't
have very good laptop support. (All I ask for is a way to configure the
mouse pad so that I can switch off tap to click.)
See,
Hi,
On 30 May 2012 PM 7:20:31 David Chisnall wrote:
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I use FreeBSD because it was the first Intel based unix I tried. A
friend of mine suggested I try FreeBSD instead of Linux.
More recently I have had to start using Linux because FreeBSD doesn't
have very good laptop support. (All I ask for is a way to configure the
mouse pad so that I can
Hi,
On 03 June 2012 PM 8:45:59 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
On the other hand Ubuntu recently switched their Window manager, and I
hated it on their early versions. They also offered gnome3, and it just
wasn't working. So I dare not go beyond Ubuntu 10.04, and I fear the
day 10.04
On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com
wrote:
Hi,
On 30 May 2012 PM 7:20:31 David Chisnall wrote:
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending
it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote:
On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com
wrote:
But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to
the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic
library will
On 2 Jun 2012, at 03:56, Erich Dollansky wrote:
But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the
releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic library
will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I expressed this
already many
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 AM 11:39:16 David Chisnall wrote:
On 2 Jun 2012, at 03:56, Erich Dollansky wrote:
But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to
the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic
library will result in a complete
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote:
I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes
just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade
like what is happening at the moment with PNG dependent ports.
You have this already. Just install
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote:
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote:
I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes
just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade
like what is happening at the moment with
On 02.06.12 12:42, Erich Dollansky wrote:
On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote:
On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollanskyer...@alogreentechnologies.com
wrote:
But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to
the releases. This leads to situations in which a
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:19, Erich wrote:
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote:
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote:
I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes
just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade
like
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 PM 12:50:16 David Chisnall wrote:
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:19, Erich wrote:
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote:
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote:
I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security
fixes just to have a
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 PM 2:53:48 Daniel Kalchev wrote:
You don't have to use the (arguable old) 'release' ports tree. Ports get
fixed/adapted for the new version usually months after release.
I think we are talking here about two totally different problems. Your hint
with sysinstall would
On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote:
I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the
release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution.
Or do I see this really too simple?
The ports tree is a moving target during release periods still, although
there
On 2 June 2012 10:42, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote:
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote:
On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com
wrote:
But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to
the
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 PM 3:47:27 Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote:
I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during
the release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution.
Or do I see this really too simple?
The ports tree is
Hi,
On 02 June 2012 PM 10:52:48 Chris Rees wrote:
On 2 June 2012 10:42, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote:
On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote:
On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com
wrote:
But I have to mention one
On 31.05.12 18:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each,
they're still time consuming and disruptive.
1/ reboot after installing new kernel
2/ reboot after installing new world
3/ reboot after rebuilding ports
About the only time I
On 5/31/12 9:51 PM, Nick Gustas wrote:
On 5/31/2012 12:52 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/31/12 6:37 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan
with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP
On 5/31/12 8:13 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 31/05/2012 16:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each,
they're still time consuming and disruptive.
1/ reboot after installing new kernel
2/ reboot after installing new world
3/ reboot
On 6/1/12 8:54 AM, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 31.05.12 18:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each,
they're still time consuming and disruptive.
1/ reboot after installing new kernel
2/ reboot after installing new world
3/ reboot
On 01/06/2012 09:16, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
The reason I rebuild the ports last is because, unless I'm wrong, any
port that's statically linked to a system library would be linked to the
old library from the old world.
Uh -- if it's statically linked, then the object code is copied from the
There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix.
http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?71263
For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much.
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On 6/1/2012 17:19, Katinka wrote:
There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix.
http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?71263
For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much.
Lots of the comments remind me about Linux vs. Windows in the late 90s,
and taken with a grain of
I think this iterates my point on the Forums.. To gain critical mass
FreeBSD needs to start showing some benchmarks and numbers to back up
the advocacy claims. I think this will also give the dev team
technical direction to get back into grind of tweaking for performance
and not just features.
I
On 6/1/2012 18:03, Jason Leschnik wrote:
I may be totally incorrect with my above ideas, but it's what i would
like to see from FreeBSD *again*... This is the reason in the first
place most people used FreeBSD, stability/scalability/performance are
the hallmarks of FreeBSD. If we have these hard
On 01.06.12 13:19, Katinka wrote:
There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix.
http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?71263
For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much.
Do we really care?
The number of really bright people, or even people who are able to
reasonably
On 01-06-2012 13:39, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
Instead, lead by example. Showcase. Demonstrate how superior FreeBSD
is because the people who keep it going are not interested to be the
Jack of All Trades (and master of none). Showcase implementations that
are hard to do with any other OS.
This.
There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix.
http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?71263
For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much.
ALL of the PC performance weenies run Windows. They're totally stupid when
it comes to software and all they care about is the Windows
Hi,
On 30 May 2012 PM 7:20:31 David Chisnall wrote:
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to
this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
advertises
Thanks to all who replied, both on and off list. I've attempted to distill the
replies that I got into a coherent summary. I've put the draft on the wiki
here:
http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhyUseFreeBSD
Feedback welcome!
David
On 30 May 2012, at 19:20, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
On 5/30/12 6:52 PM, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David Chisnallthera...@freebsd.orgwrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it
to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently
1) Been with BSD/OS since it's inception. Great OS and good example to
follow. But BSD/OS was eventually killed and FreeBSD sort of inherited
it's legacy. Both follow the simplicity and good architecture models,
with FreeBSD improving on modularity.
2) The BSD license. Contrary to popular
On Wed, 30 May 2012 19:20:31 +0100, David Chisnall
thera...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm
sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish
number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our
On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to
this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
advertises
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it
to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Kalchev
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:01 PM
2) The BSD license. Contrary to popular belief, it has brought a lot of
high quality development to FreeBSD.
The salient point is that BSD license (and alike licenses)seem to bring in
more talented people
Hi,
Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it
to this list in the hope
In no specific order, for me they are:
- Rock solid stability, not only in base-system but also in ports.
- The completeness of the ports system and helpfulness of the maintainers.
- ZFS
Frank
On 5/31/2012 12:32 PM, Holger Kipp wrote:
Hi,
Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb Lars
I've only been using FreeBSD for about ~2 years, the thing i really
like about FreeBSD is the stability of the configuration system.
Placement of configuration files and startup scripts make life easier
in daily administration.
The things i'm using FreeBSD for?
# Gateway Router
# Squid Proxy
On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it
to this list in the hope
A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot
A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after
installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports)
But how often do you need to
As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem.
We have 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's
A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick...
I even wrote this little script to check for pkg_updating info:
http://leschnik.me/blog/?p=79
Thanks.
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote:
On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net
On 5/31/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Leschnik wrote:
A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick...
ah, ok!
I even wrote this little script to check for pkg_updating info:
http://leschnik.me/blog/?p=79
Note that if you have many out of date ports this script can take a while to
a while isn't an S.I. unit, so it actually might be pretty quick :P
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis nv...@gmx.com wrote:
On 5/31/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Leschnik wrote:
A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick...
ah, ok!
I even wrote this little script to
On 5/31/12 12:32 PM, Holger Kipp wrote:
Hi,
Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it,
David Chisnall wrote:
http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhyUseFreeBSD
Feedback welcome!
Quote:
The RCng system that reads this file [rc.conf] understands
dependencies between services and so can automatically launch
them in parallel [...]
Can it? There have been patches in the lists, was one of
On 5/31/12 1:20 PM, Claus Guttesen wrote:
A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot
A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after
installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports)
But how often do you need to
As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem.
We have 800
On 5/30/12 2:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to
this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
advertises
On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote:
To add others, in no particular order:
Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier
on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled
system. Many Linux distros have no upgrade path short of a wipe and
On 5/31/2012 21:22, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote:
To add others, in no particular order:
Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier
on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled
system. Many Linux distros
On 5/31/12 4:30 PM, Adam Strohl wrote:
On 5/31/2012 21:22, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote:
To add others, in no particular order:
Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier
on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote:
To add others, in no particular order:
Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier
on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled
On 5/31/2012 21:47, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
Regarding packages, I've never really explored it, would you detail a bit ?
Well, I really mean the resulting pkg info from a port. A good example
is PHP, sometimes you have to say everyone out of the pool because of
an upgrade:
cd /var/db/pkg
On 5/31/12 10:22 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote:
To add others, in no particular order:
Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier
on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled
system. Many Linux
On Thu, 31 May 2012 09:30:31 -0500, Adam Strohl
adams-free...@ateamsystems.com wrote:
This brings up another point: Repair is always possible with FreeBSD.
Quick tip for you guys -- create your own mtree file for /usr/local,
/usr/home, and /var via cron nightly. With that data and the
David Chisnall wrote:
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material
(which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before
I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using
FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like
On 5/31/12 5:13 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote:
On 5/31/12 10:22 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote:
To add others, in no particular order:
Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier
on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a
Damien Fleuriot wrote:
You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each,
they're still time consuming and disruptive.
1/ reboot after installing new kernel
2/ reboot after installing new world
3/ reboot after rebuilding ports
Or ... use sysbuild
On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan
with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall.
Yes, I know about pfsync, yes, we use it, no, it doesn't *instantly*
sync sessions for PF.
A bit offtopic on this
On 05/30/12 20:20, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm
sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish
number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material
(which advertises exciting
On 5/31/12 6:37 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan
with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall.
Yes, I know about pfsync, yes, we use it, no, it doesn't *instantly*
On 31/05/2012 16:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each,
they're still time consuming and disruptive.
1/ reboot after installing new kernel
2/ reboot after installing new world
3/ reboot after rebuilding ports
If you rebuilt the
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending
it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of
users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and
On 5/31/2012 12:52 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 5/31/12 6:37 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan
with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall.
Yes, I know about
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 17:20:04 +0200 , Oliver Fromme wrote:
But there's one thing that hasn't been mentioned so far,
I think: jails. The jails feature was the most important
reason why one of our largest customers chose FreeBSD for
its server farm instead of Linux. I also use this feature
Because I really like it! ;-)
I've been using FreeBSD since the RELEASE-1.0(.5)?, as far as I remember...
But, the first BSD I had installed was a 386BSD, on a old 386 computer.
Yeah! Version 0.0 or 0.1... God! I'm getting old!
Cordeiro
Em quarta-feira, 30 de maio de 2012, às 19:20:31,
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote:
On 5/31/12 1:20 PM, Claus Guttesen wrote:
A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot
A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after
installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports)
But how often do you need to
Flemming Jacobsen f...@batmule.dk writes:
Damien Fleuriot wrote:
You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each,
they're still time consuming and disruptive.
1/ reboot after installing new kernel
2/ reboot after installing new world
3/ reboot after rebuilding ports
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to
this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.orgwrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it
to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 19:20:31 +0100 , David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic,
... and not wrapped at 80 characters.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material
(which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before
I do I'd like to get
David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:
If you had
to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick?
1. Large number of ports, including obscure programs other package
system don't have.
2. Relatively straightforward system configuration (i.e. rc.conf), as
opposed
David Chisnall schreef:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to
this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
advertises exciting new features like
On 05/30/2012 12:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to
this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
advertises
On 5/31/2012 1:20, David Chisnall wrote:
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to
get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to
list the three things
On Wed, 30 May 2012 13:59:01 -0500, Chris Nehren
apeiron+freebsd-sta...@isuckatdomains.net wrote:
4. Everything feels right and makes sense on a very deep level for
me, in a way that never happened with the other Unix and Unix alike
OSs I've used.
Bingo.
For me:
1) Integration. The OS is
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I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
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I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material
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On Wed, 30 May 2012, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I came to FreeBSD nearly 20 years ago because it had text-mode (aka command
line, console, etc.) apps and I wanted to avoid GUIs for applications that
are not essentially graphic in nature. The ability to switch for
applications
On 5/30/2012 11:20 AM, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Everyone,
This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to
this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which
advertises
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:20:31PM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
If you had to list
the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you
pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it?
1) Using it doesn't require changing me (well, at least change
is gradual and
On 5/30/2012 1:26 PM, Oliver Pinter wrote:
On 5/30/12, David Chisnallthera...@freebsd.org wrote:
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to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
I am currently looking at updating
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