Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Gregory Pietsch wrote: After much looking around, I've seen two types of open-source C compilers. The first type are monstrosities such as OpenWatcom and gcc. The second type are old compilers such as PCC and DeSmet and toy compilers that do not support C89, much less C99.

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Сен-2006 02:28 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lyrical Nanoha) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: LN I agree, OpenWatcom and GCC are bloatware and if there were a way to get LN something like GCC running on a 16-bit environment and compiling 16-bit LN code - and open source - hell something

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Imre Leber
Interested, tell us more. Does it work in the direction of having a borland compatible C library for openwatcom? Imre -Original Message- From: Blair Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 05:26 AM To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re:

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Arkady V.Belousov wrote: Borland C is, also as OpenWatcom, doesn't run on less than 80386. But why you not complain about Borland C, but complain about more functional and portable OpenWatcom? Turbo C++ is also Borland C, though stripped down, and prior to v3 did run

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Ladislav Lacina
I think we surely don't need a new C compiler. They were already mentioned some good existing ones. However the DOS world is missing modern 16-bit pascal compiler. We have Freepascal, TMT pascal, Virtual pascal but they all make 32-bit protected mode code. It wouldn't be bad to write a realmode

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Imre Leber
Well I think what we are realy missing is a good BASIC compiler. Something like QuickBASIC. Free BASIC has something like that but that works only in 32 bit. Let's completely rewrite it so that it works in 16 bit real mode. Especially if we can hold all the tables in XMS. So that it requires a

Re: [Freedos-devel] ibiblio fdbasecd torrent

2006-09-14 Thread Robert Riebisch
Jim Hall wrote: did it wrong. I emailed the ibiblio torrent guys this morning, asking for help. OK Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Robert Riebisch
Ladislav Lacina wrote: I think we surely don't need a new C compiler. They were already mentioned some good existing ones. However the DOS world is missing modern 16-bit pascal compiler. We have Freepascal, TMT pascal, Virtual pascal but they all make 32-bit protected mode code. It wouldn't

Re: [Freedos-devel] [anounce] defrag 1.2

2006-09-14 Thread Florian Xaver
I wrote to the author this summer ... it looked that he wanted to continue with RXDOS, but I think he is too busy. It is a nice kernel too - I think one of the bugs is a LFN bug when deleting a file... A link at the kernel page would be good... bye Flo On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:10:33

Re: [Freedos-devel] Many new users

2006-09-14 Thread Florian Xaver
N, it isn't a bad tone ;-) bye Flo On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:14:40 +0200, Alain M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sage is something -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ - Using Tomcat but

[Freedos-devel] 32 bit

2006-09-14 Thread Imre Leber
Well I for one think that FreeDOS should move into the 32bit realm after version 1. All the 32bit stuff was written by the DJGPP project. But it didn't make any sense philosophicaly as long as it did not run on a free DOS operating system. Now that we did the time and have a free operating

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Florian Xaver
I think, the DJGPP developers would be very happy if you would help them - I think they could release a new version, but are to busy for that... ^^ bye flo On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:57:47 +0200, Gregory Pietsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: monstrosities such as OpenWatcom and gcc. The second

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32 bit

2006-09-14 Thread Roberto Mariottini
Imre Leber wrote: Well I for one think that FreeDOS should move into the 32bit realm after version 1. All the 32bit stuff was written by the DJGPP project. But it didn't make any sense philosophicaly as long as it did not run on a free DOS operating system. Now that we did the time

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32 bit

2006-09-14 Thread Imre Leber
-Original Message- From: Roberto Mariottini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:37 AM To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] 32 bit Imre Leber wrote: Well I for one think that FreeDOS should move into the 32bit realm after

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Imre, Well I think what we are realy missing is a good BASIC compiler. Something like QuickBASIC. Free BASIC has something like that but that works only in 32 bit. As http://www.freebasic.net/index.php/about?section=diff shows, FreeBASIC is very close to QuickBASIC already. And 386+ PCs

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Ladislav Lacina
Well, there are another two quite good BASIC compilers: Turbo Basic and Power Basic. You can both download from my site at: http://www.laaca.borec.cz/pascal.htm (The site is in czech and there is a big title pascal but don't panic - theese download links are at the bottom of page.) -

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Blair Campbell
I think what we REALLY need is a free PASCAL compiler that can generate 16-bit code. I know for a fact that the OpenWatcom project would welcome a PASCAL frontend to their toolset. Any takers? On 9/14/06, Ladislav Lacina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there are another two quite good BASIC

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Imre Leber
Does this mean that people are actually still going to write software for FreeDOS? That is material for a whole different thread. Imre -Original Message- From: Blair Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 02:14 PM To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32 bit

2006-09-14 Thread Alain M.
Imre Leber escreveu: Well I for one think that FreeDOS should move into the 32bit realm after version 1. I agree, but for a different reason: not even here on the FreeDOS list could we find any real 16 bit machine just for testing... IMHO DOS has to remain DOS. That is definite. But modern

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Alain M.
Florian Xaver escreveu: I think, the DJGPP developers would be very happy if you would help them - I think they could release a new version, but are to busy for that... ^^ Well, that is a great idea... - Using Tomcat

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32 bit

2006-09-14 Thread Alain M.
You are talking of our sister project FreeDOS-32: http://freedos-32.sourceforge.net/ No actually I was talking about starting another 16bit compiler project. I believe that FreeDOS 32 has a big problem: they have to do it all from scratch. I believe further that a different aproach could

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32 bit

2006-09-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Сен-2006 14:45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alain M.) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: AM Today thare is a discussion about making a full modern compiler for AM either C++ or Pascal. It simply will not *fit* in 16 bit memory!!! Because many current compilers are 32-bit programs,

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32 bit

2006-09-14 Thread Ladislav Lacina
The compiler itself can work in 32-bit protected mode but the generated programs should work in 16-bit real. - Original Message - From: Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] 32

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32 bit

2006-09-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Сен-2006 21:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ladislav Lacina) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: LL The compiler itself can work in 32-bit protected mode but the generated LL programs should work in 16-bit real. AM Today thare is a discussion about making a full modern compiler for AM

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Daniel Verkamp
Eric Auer wrote: I would appreciate some FreeBASIC command line options to set default types (QB: single for variables, 16bit for INTEGER, FB: integer for variables, 32bit for INTEGER). That would make FreeBASIC (command line optionally!) behave even more like QuickBASIC, where appropriate.

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Сен-2006 13:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ladislav Lacina) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: LL Well, there are another two quite good BASIC compilers: Turbo Basic and LL Power Basic. LL You can both download from my site at: http://www.laaca.borec.cz/pascal.htm Both are

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Сен-2006 05:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: BC I think what we REALLY need is a free PASCAL compiler that can BC generate 16-bit code. I think, Modula (which is superset of Pascal, if you mean Pascal, but not Turbo Pascal) is

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Jon Gentle
http://draak.sf.net/ No, it's not complete, and no, the public version hasn't been updated in over a year, but it is out there, and it does currently produce (albeit little) 16-bit dos assembler. I still work on it on occasion, but always accept patches. On another note, if someone is

[Freedos-devel] [Fwd: Re: 32 bit DOS]

2006-09-14 Thread Alain M.
I received this from Eric in PVT. I am copying it here because I just agree with almost all of it!! I will just add atha almost all big DOS programs that are performance aware do most disk access in big chunks buffering it in memory (even write cache is available in CodeBase). This make them

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Aitor Santamaría
Hello, 2006/9/14, Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! 14-Сен-2006 05:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: BC I think what we REALLY need is a free PASCAL compiler that can BC generate 16-bit code. I think, Modula (which is superset

Re: [Freedos-devel] Compiler group?

2006-09-14 Thread Blair Campbell
On 9/14/06, Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! 14-Сен-2006 05:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: BC I think what we REALLY need is a free PASCAL compiler that can BC generate 16-bit code. I think, Modula (which is superset