Re: [Freedos-devel] Kickstarter project for FreeDOS 2.0

2015-01-01 Thread imre . leber
Just to put in my own two cents. The lastest happening thing is all about open source hardware. Open source operating systems are so 2000. Intel has recently released a number of x86 based boards. With a simple operating system like DOS you could do all sorts of hardware things directly, wit

Re: [Freedos-devel] Kickstarter project for FreeDOS 2.0

2015-01-01 Thread imre . leber
Not that I all of a sudden want to jump the bandwagon, but is he planning on hiring current/past FreeDOS developers at least? - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: "Jim Hall" Aan: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Verzonden: Woensdag 31 december 2014 17:12:57 Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel]

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Dave Pratt
Mercury, It looks like your idea in terms of a benefit of a 32 bit FreeDOS is this: > FreeDOS would suddenly be the most blazing fast DOS ever conceived. Fair ? Why do you think that pure 32 bit will be significantly faster than the current model of 16 bit plus DPMI ? (I suppose there is som

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Mercury Thirteen
I see where everyone is coming from in saying that FreeDOS should remain 16-bit. For a long time I was a *firm* believer in the superiority of 16-bit code. Heck, I insisted on making my GUI project 16-bit when *every* single other one out there was done in 32. But, as time wore on and I had time to

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Jim Hall
It seems clear a consensus is appearing, but I'll give folks another few days to chime in. That will give me time to continue on website cleanup things, anyway. :-) *What I think I'm hearing: (and I agree)* *- "FreeDOS 1.2" should be an update/refresh from FreeDOS 1.1. No major changes. Improved

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Michael Brutman
Thanks for the update - I'm not on Facebook so I can't see the discussion. What follows is my personal opinion/rant ... What FreeDOS is: FreeDOS is an open source re-implementation of DOS (PC-DOS and MS-DOS). I was careful not to use the word "clone" which would imply that everything has to be

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Jim Hall
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > Speaking of multiple kernels, would it be acceptable to require a minimum > hardware platform for a new version of FreeDOS? Could we exclude the > pre-386 crowd without backlash? Personally, I think that's acceptable and > I'm sure Microso

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread cordata02
If you take a look one of the links from Jim recently he states: "But in an alternate reality, what would DOS had looked like if Microsoft hadn't moved to Windows? I think we get to define what that looks like." Think for a second about what Microsoft, or any company would have done to continue

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 1 Jan 2015, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > Speaking of multiple kernels, would it be acceptable to require a minimum > hardware platform for a new version of FreeDOS? Could we exclude the > pre-386 crowd without backlash? Personally, I think that's acceptable and > I'm sure Microsoft would've n

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Another thing to consider is the choice of extender we use, if we need one at all. Optimally, the kernel is able to run in protected mode on it's own without using an extender. Can GCC generate pure 32-bit code which runs in this way? If we do end up using an extender (which may be a good way to b

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Speaking of multiple kernels, would it be acceptable to require a minimum hardware platform for a new version of FreeDOS? Could we exclude the pre-386 crowd without backlash? Personally, I think that's acceptable and I'm sure Microsoft would've no doubt done the same thing by now had they not gone

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Christopher Evans
Have two kernels a 16/32bit for legacy cpus and a 64bit kernel that can use 4gb+ addressing of the ram. -- -Chris Evans Computer Consultant, Systems Administrator, Programmer, PC technician Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) Cell. : 916-612-6904 | http://www.tawhakisoft.slyip.net/ O

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Aitor SantamarĂ­a
Hello! Notes below. BTW, Whatever happened to Japheth's pages?? Is server down? (see JEMM's LSM for URL's). Aitor 2015-01-01 19:31 GMT+01:00 Mercury Thirteen : > 1 - I like the idea of being able to run apps for multiple other OSes, but > I think that ability should fall to a program running

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Hi, Aitor :) Just touching on some of your ideas: 1 - I like the idea of being able to run apps for multiple other OSes, but I think that ability should fall to a program running atop FreeDOS, not to the FreeDOS kernel itself. That would be a very cool feature, but the amount of code needed to ad

Re: [Freedos-devel] New software!

2015-01-01 Thread dos386
> Nevermind... figured it out. The IDE set the default language to QB > compatibility. Duh. Duh! Didn't know that FreeBASIC would have a DOS IDE, even less one defaulting to "lang QB". BTW, FreeBASIC 1.01.0 is out, it still mostly works, and supports DOS. > I don't see yet how your 'simple shel

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Steve Nickolas
Here's my personal opinion, and that's all it is. But I'm not sure I'd recommend using the plain name "FreeDOS" for something that needs a 32-bit CPU... I think I'd prolly call it something slightly separate to make it clear this is a spinoff, kind-of like Digital Research had their Concurrent

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Aitor SantamarĂ­a
Hello Jim and all, I like the idea of having two releases of FreeDOS with different goals: a FreeDOS 1.2 as an update of current FreeDOS 1.1, in order to have something on a short term as an update of current distribution. As for FreeDOS 2.0, I share my ideas here. I agree that it should be a big

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2015-01-01 Thread Thomas Mueller
One thing I'd like to see in the next FreeDOS is a better installer. Installer should be writable to a USB stick or be bootable and runnable from a disk image; there is a rather outdated FreeDOS runnable quasi-floppy image on the System Rescue CD, though this image has no installer. I would lik

Re: [Freedos-devel] Kickstarter project for FreeDOS 2.0

2015-01-01 Thread Louis Santillan
You can also buy a copy at MacMall for $2 [0]. [0] http://www.macmall.com/p/HP-Operating-Systems/product~dpno~13045035~pdp.igfhgha On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Michael Brutman wrote: > Somebody should talk to HP and see what FreeDOS 2.0 includes. They are > already shipping machines that s

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Mercury Thirteen
I too would love to see a fully modern DOS. My thoughts for features added in FreeDOS 2.0: The processor is shifted into (and stays in, at least as much as possible) protected mode, providing 32-bit addressing. Memory therefore would become a flat 4GB RAM address space, allowing for advanced featu