Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Georg Potthast
I think one should not just discuss technical details. You should define objectives who shall use DOS or any enhanced DOS? There is Windows, Mac OS, Linux and DOS. Plus countless real time and home grown operating systems. What should convince a computer user to use DOS instead of all the other

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Michael B. Brutman
On 5/5/2012 1:27 AM, Martin Kelly wrote: > What comes across to me is that if you remove the what i was > suggesting entirely from the equation... That a) it all seems like to > much effort and its much easier to whinge about the current > compatiblity issues than try and implement a possible so

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Tom Ehlert
> I have been trying to inject a bit of reality to this and it doesn't > seem to be working thanks, Michael, and I *really* agree with most of it. > - If you break compatibility with existing DOS, you break compatibility > with a lot of applications. you don't have to break compatibility to enhanc

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Tom Ehlert
> i still say, if someone can program machine code, > and can make his computer more like a turing machine, > then he ought to go right ahead and do it, > then others will adopt it; depending on how good it is.  thanks for sharing these deep insights with the common populace Tom ---

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Travis Siegel
On May 3, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Michael B. Brutman wrote: > If you want to really modernize DOS you are going to have to fix or > break a lot of things that exist today. You can implement a simple OS > that uses the INT 0x21 programming interface, but if it doesn't run > existing software (because y

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > something fast, clean, simple, able to access loads of memory, and > still (mostly) use dos development tools, would be a great thing for > a lot of embeded developers if nothing else. Question to those who also know more embedded operating systems: How would the suggested variant of D

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Martin, > On an expansion of before. Just like BSD and Linux are relatives of > each other and just as capable of each other, why shouldn't DOS be > able to be just as capable as its relative Windows? BSD and Linux have a culture of source-based software, often even open source. With acceptab

Re: [Freedos-devel] bug in mode

2012-05-05 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > for some reason, there is a bug... requires these 2 lines to get into 132x50 That might be because e.g. DOSEMU does not have a ready-made text mode for 132x50. It offers 80x60 132x25 132x43 132x60, but not 132x50, and 132x43 seems to be broken font-wise? In any case, you can say "mode con

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Ulrich Hansen
First of all I really enjoyed reading this discussion in the last days. Thanks a lot to everyone! Am 05.05.2012 um 05:21 schrieb Michael B. Brutman: > Like it or not, the path for the future is going to be running DOS > inside of virtual machines hosted by an operating system that is kept > cur

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Martin Kelly
[QUOTE Mike: Here is a small example - I started working on mTCP in late 2005. It was 2008 before I had an application suitable for an end-user to run. In 2011 the code was finally clean/stable enough to release. Right now the next version is over 36000 lines of code and comments. It's taken tho

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-05 Thread Michael B. Brutman
Martin, My intent was to make sure that you understood the magnitude of the project that you are suggesting. If you think you can do it and lead other people in helping you, great - go for it. In the meantime, we need to keep working to preserve what we have running so far ... Mike -