Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-16 Thread wilhelm . spiegl
Hi Rugxulo, I am not sure if the issue can be closed. The problem from my side is: Is "lh fdapm apmdos" too hard for the fd live CD? Would a more soft version of power saving be enough? Willi Am 2023-03-16 12:25, schrieb Rugxulo: > Hi, > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 4:26 AM Wilhelm Spiegl

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, Just for completeness On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 4:22 PM Eric Auer wrote: > > This is a self-extracting ZIP file. You can try using our > build of infozip UNZIP to extract it. Maybe the downloaded > exe uses build settings which are not fast for DOS or which > expect more than 32 MB RAM.

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 4:26 AM Wilhelm Spiegl wrote: > > after several tests I found the reason for this strange behaviour. > It disappeared when I booted from a virtual diskette without fdconfig / > fdauto.bat and executed watcom.exe. Same from HD. > Then I added fdconfig again - it was

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-13 Thread Wilhelm Spiegl
to check where the machine runs (bare metal or vm which needs more engergy at all).   Willi     Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2023 at 2:30 PM From: wilhelm.spi...@mnet-online.de To: "Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers." Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-10 Thread Ladislav Lacina
Very interresting - extremely slow installation through a instalator but quite a normal speed when copying cca 4000 files manualy. ...And this difference is not in MSDOS. In theory - could it be explained by frequent calling the function "GetFreeDiskSpace"? (Int21h/36h) I have not seen

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-10 Thread wilhelm . spiegl
Hi Eric, first I tried to install the exe within a 700 MB ramdrive created with rdisk. Extracting it needed in about 47 minutes instead of 58 minutes. Then I zipped the folder with all 4.018 files with FD zip within a few minutes (ca.4min). Then I run the FD unzip command over the original

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-09 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Willi, I downloaded open-watcom-2_0-c-dos.exe (an extracting .exe) at: https://github.com/open-watcom/open-watcom-v2/releases/tag/Current-build 140 MB size. This is a self-extracting ZIP file. You can try using our build of infozip UNZIP to extract it. Maybe the downloaded exe uses build

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-09 Thread wilhelm . spiegl
I am no programmer, but I can test things like this for clarification: I downloaded open-watcom-2_0-c-dos.exe (an extracting .exe) at: https://github.com/open-watcom/open-watcom-v2/releases/tag/Current-build 140 MB size. First I extracted it with Windows, it contains 4,018 files, and has a size of

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 3:12 PM Volkert via Freedos-devel wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:35 AM tom ehlert wrote: >> >> > Over a month ago, I opened an issue on the FreeDOS project on >> > GitLab about the Open Watcom v2 installer being extremely slow in >> > FreeDOS. It takes an hour

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread tom ehlert
> That depends. whatever 'depends'. > Besides poorly optimized system caches, is the > installer doing things that blow the cache and increase the miss rate? whatever the installer is doing: unless you find a valid 'this is doing something in a stupid way' point this installer is as much a

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread Louis Santillan
That depends. Besides poorly optimized system caches, is the installer doing things that blow the cache and increase the miss rate? You noted a significantly increased download zip. Is everything actually necessary? Did you download a debug build that will have additional binary code or is the

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread Volkert via Freedos-devel
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:35 AM tom ehlert wrote: > > > Over a month ago, I opened an issue on the FreeDOS project on > > GitLab about the Open Watcom v2 installer being extremely slow in > > FreeDOS. It takes an hour or more on FreeDOS, while the same > > installation completes on MS-DOS 7.1

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread tom ehlert
> Over a month ago, I opened an issue on the FreeDOS project on > GitLab about the Open Watcom v2 installer being extremely slow in > FreeDOS. It takes an hour or more on FreeDOS, while the same > installation completes on MS-DOS 7.1 within just a few minutes. either you report your config.sys

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-07 Thread Louis Santillan
BTW, Ladislav did some performance testing on a Pentium 4 last October. He gives hints on how to make FD a bit faster, though still about 50% performance of MS-DOS in a best case scenario. Namely, Ladislav suggests (on a 512MB RAM machine) using UIDE w/a 160MB cache, and LBAcache with 16843KB

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-07 Thread Volkert via Freedos-devel
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 2:02 AM Ralf Quint wrote: > Well, I just download both v1.9 and the latest 2.0 and the later is 1.75x > as big as v1.9 (143MB vs 81MB), so there must be some more than trivial > difference between the installers... > I was referring specifically to the DOS installer code

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-07 Thread Ralf Quint
On 3/7/2023 4:54 PM, Volkert via Freedos-devel wrote: The last time I installed OW was on one of my physical laptops, which are currently in storage, so I can't easily test this right now, and I am pretty sure that I installed the v1.9 from openwatcom.org

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-07 Thread Volkert via Freedos-devel
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 1:40 AM Ralf Quint wrote: > > Well, I know some folks will hate me for that (what else is new) but there > is no MS-DOS 7.1. It's the bootup DOS system of Windows 95SR2 and up. > That's just getting pedantic about things. Whatever you prefer to call it, the "bootup DOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-07 Thread Ralf Quint
On 3/7/2023 4:11 PM, Volkert via Freedos-devel wrote: Hi, Over a month ago, I opened an issue on the FreeDOS project on GitLab about the Open Watcom v2 installer being extremely slow in FreeDOS. It takes an hour or more on FreeDOS, while the same installation completes on MS-DOS 7.1 within