Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-27 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
Well after all it's not going to happen very soon, but as soon as 4NT is far enough ahead of 4DOS and 4NT specific code is removed there may be a possibility. http://email.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?visit=jpsoft_support click read messages, then scroll down to Matthias Paul and Rex Conn's

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
It is freeware now! http://www.jpsoft.com Bye, Flo w0t! The moment we've been waiting for! ROFL WOW! UNBELIEVABLE INDEED! THANKS JPSOFT! THANKS FLORIAN! The next logical step will be releasing the source code :) Needless to say 4DOS is compatible with the

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Aitor SantamarĂ­a Merino
Hi, Luchezar Georgiev escribi: The next logical step will be releasing the source code :) Needless to say 4DOS is compatible with the FreeDOS kernel. I've used it for a long time under it and it's very stable. I attach the license under which 4DOS is now distributed. Does it allow its inclusion in

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread 16 BIT
My experience is that 4DOS works with FreeDOS kernal except for the command line history. Sometimes, quite often, the command on the line when using the history is not the one that gets excuted, rather the one prior to it. I've only had this happen with the FreeDOS kernel. And it can can make a

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Bernd Blaauw
From what you say, it comes as freeware without source. Therefore, even if it might eventually come (I don't think so either) as a Third Party utility, having no sources it cannot replace FreeCOM (which by the way is also a quite good tool) (although I might be wrong, Jeremy, Jim or Bernd can

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
My experience is that 4DOS works with FreeDOS kernal except for the command line history. Sometimes, quite often, the command on the line when using the history is not the one that gets excuted, rather the one prior to it. I've only had this happen with the FreeDOS kernel. And it can can make

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Bart Oldeman
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Luchezar Georgiev wrote: The next logical step will be releasing the source code :) This is not as improbable as it may seem (unlike what Bernd says). It happened with 4OS2, well Matthias Paul already tried as you can see from the forum at JPSoft. I attach the license

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Jim Hall
Luchezar Georgiev wrote: It is freeware now! http://www.jpsoft.com Bye, Flo w0t! The moment we've been waiting for! ROFL WOW! UNBELIEVABLE INDEED! THANKS JPSOFT! THANKS FLORIAN! The next logical step will be releasing the source code :) Needless to say 4DOS is

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Jim Hall
... Since no source code is available, this is not something that should appear in the FreeDOS Base list, but it can be included in the Util list. And I think it should! I'll create an LSM for this on FreeDOS.org. http://www.freedos.org/freedos/software/lsm.cgi?q=fa=util/4dos.lsm I've also

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Jim Hall
Bart Oldeman wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Luchezar Georgiev wrote: The next logical step will be releasing the source code :) This is not as improbable as it may seem (unlike what Bernd says). It happened with 4OS2, well Matthias Paul already tried as you can see from the forum at JPSoft. Yes,

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Paul Berger
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 07:10, Luchezar Georgiev wrote: No way they would release it as open source, as JPsoft has other products based on the 4DOS code. Everything will eventually be open-source, the question if whether we'll live to see it or not ;-) The source for a great many things

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Frederick Thomas
I think this would allow redistribution of 4DOS, IMHO. But personally, I would ask permission as a courtesy to JPSoft for thier contribution to free software, and maybe even plug thier win32 software briefly in the redistribution package. On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:23:11 +0300, Luchezar Georgiev

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Bart Oldeman
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Jim Hall wrote: Yes, this is quite possible. I've emailed JP Software in the past to (politely) ask that they release the source code to 4DOS, and I intend to do so again. I would encourage others to do so, as well. However, please remember to follow the rules of good

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Jim Hall
Bart Oldeman wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Jim Hall wrote: Yes, this is quite possible. I've emailed JP Software in the past to (politely) ask that they release the source code to 4DOS, and I intend to do so again. I would encourage others to do so, as well. However, please remember to follow

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
it talks about LFN support, but AFAIK this is implemented in VFAT, not in MS-DOS kernel. At least my Win98 DOS (MS-DOS 7.10) can't see LFNs, so unless the author has taken the shots on a Win9X DOS box, do you know how is that he mentions and has screenshots of DOS with LFNs? If you download his

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Aitor Santamara Merino schreef: Hmmm, interesting page. I am watching: http://newdos.yginfo.net/msdos71/whatsnew.htm I see a couple of inaccuracies, such as Euro Sign support can't be in 850, but 858 (andAltGr+5 in some keyboards, AltGr+E in mine). However, it talks about LFN support, but AFAIK

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
Hi Jim, and thanks for archiving 4DOS and for your news item on it! http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/user/4dos/ You can remove the file CSCLEAN.BAT from the ZIP. It just restores the old CONFIG.SYS saved by the installer on uninstall and is not needed since the ZIP

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Jim Hall
I'd rather not modify the 4dos750.zip archive to eliminate the CSCLEAN.BAT file from the distribution. If I did that, I feel I'd have to document this in a separate README file, and I'd rather not do that right now. I've done the next best thing: I've created a short 4dos750.txt file in the

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
Hallo Bart, The license is very similar to www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/copyright-software Indeed! 80% the same thing! No one can really invent a license anymore. The two sections that are added can be found (in slightly edited form) in the GPL. If this were a source license it would be a BSD-ish

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
Hi Jim, I'd rather not modify the 4dos750.zip archive to eliminate the CSCLEAN.BAT file from the distribution. If I did that, I feel I'd have to document this in a separate README file, and I'd rather not do that right now. You're right - I didn't notice that this file was included by JPSoft

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Luchezar Georgiev schreef: What does this file create? A mini-Windows? Unfortunately, whatever it creates, doesn't run even under MS-DOS 7.10. It says While initializing device VFBACKUP: VFBACKUP could not load VFD.VXD. Please run setup again. Groet, Lucho Hi Lucho, you're multilangual by now,

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
Hallo Bernd, Hi Lucho, you're multilangual by now, even learning Dutch (groet)? Just a little courtesy to the many Dutches here ;-) I don't actually know more than hallo, groet and dank je (but I'm always willing to learn more ;-) CD 32BD WIN and you boot into the protected-mode/32bit DOS. it

Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-26 Thread Aitor SantamarĂ­a Merino
Hi, Luchezar Georgiev escribi: Best use is from a clean win98 installation. You might need to copy additional VXD files to the 32BD directory (or a subdirectory) to satisfy the registry requirements (netware drivers, for example). So this in fact is a mini-Windows... without windows ;-) Well, a

[Freedos-user] 4DOS free now!

2004-08-25 Thread Florian Xaver
Hi! It is freeware now! http://www.jpsoft.com Bye, Flo -- Florian Xaver http://www.drdos.orghttp://www.flox.at.tfhttp://www.blutrausch.at.tf Passt's auf eich auf, sad's vuasichtig und losst's eich nix gfoin! --- SF.Net email is sponsored by