[Freedos-user] Invalid Opcode at 214C 0583 0246 001E while booting FreeDOS

2007-03-12 Thread BrentMartin

FreeDOS HIMEM64 3.26 [August 25 2006] (c) 1995, Till Gerken 2001-2006 tom
ehlert 
HIMEM - Always On A20 method used 
UMB's unavailable! 

XCDROM V2.2, 2-08-2006. 
Driver name is FDCD0001. 
UltraDMA controller at I-O address FFA0h, Chip I.D. 80867111h. 
Unit 0:  Secondary-master, Virtual CD, PIO mode. 
UMB's unavailable! 
CD-ROM XMS/386 read cache, E. Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2001-2004 
License:  GPL 2.For standard CD-ROM device drivers. 
XMS allocated:  3.00 MB, driver size with tables nad stack:  7035 bytes. 
CDRcache loaded as device CDRCACH0 - caching the device(s) of FDCD0001. 

UMB's unavailable! 
MORE$driver by Eric Auer 2003 loaded.  Use:  ...  MORE$ 
UMB's unavailable! 

Invalid Opcode at 214C 0583 0246 001E   0001 21AC 9DA2 00D1 FFF0
7D3D 10...trails off 

I tried to install FreeDOS on my AMD Athlon 64 3400+ machine, with the above
results when I try to boot from a virtual FAT32 drive under Microsoft
Virtual PC 2007. 

No matter which menu choice I make (1, 2, or 3) it does something similar. 
It won't let me select option 4 from the menu (4 - Load FreeDOS without
drivers) 

I have a group where I posted some screen shots of my attempts to get
FreeDOS to boot of the virtual hard drive. 

I'm guessing it's something simple, like running the sys command manually,
but I hate to guess at such things.  I'm using Virtual PC to protect my hard
drive from potential corruption, and I pray a lot to the software gods that
they won't let me down. 

Understand FreeDOS thread at my group with some nice screen shots 

I'm a professional programmer, with an interest in operating systems, and I
am very interested in getting FreeDOS to run on Virtual PC or a similar
virtual environment, for use in O/S research on an amateur basis.  I'm
working on my own O/S named DORIS, and I'm currently working in GNAT Ada,
after trying Small-C and assembler. 

I would appreciate any help in getting this baby (FreeDOS) running! 

I can boot from the CD just fine and it comes up and runs fine under Windows
XP Pro/SP2 with all the latest updates. 

I haven't tried FreeDOS on any other PCs, real or virtual, at least not yet. 

I'm hoping you have a quick fix. 

Thanks in advance for your kind attention and consideration, and please let
me know if I'm doing something wrong or if it's a genuine problem that needs
or needed to be reported. 

Danke schön!  Merci beaucoup!  Thank you very much. 

(I'm also interested in localization and languages and notice someone asked
about that!) 

Brent martin 




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[Freedos-user] Perhaps an explanation is in order (of what's happening)

2007-03-12 Thread BrentMartin

Eric 

I would like to apologize for the tone of the previous post of mine in
advance!!  I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, but I was pretty upset
earlier today at not being able to get FreeDOS to boot after numerous
attempts.  I had tried it earlier without success, and this time I was
DETERMINED to get it to work.  To date I've only been able to get it to boot
off the Live CD, or whatever it's called.  I also have a dual boot X-server
problem with Ubuntu Linux, but not with XP Pro, so the problems I am having
could potentially be related to the new graphics card.  I do NOT want to
revert back to the onboard Nvidia graphics just to test that theory.  I'm
trying to use Microsoft Virtual PC as a testbed. 

I was a little upset when I posted those screen shots, but I wasn't really
trying to be mean, just highlighting some problems that caused me many hours
of heartache and grief. 

I wonder if it's ME, or my AMD machine, or my Nvidia 6100 graphics on my
WinFast motherboard, or my new ATI Radeon X1300 PCI Express 16 card (using
both output ports to dual monitors), or just what could be causing FreeDOS
not to boot on my machine. 

Are there known problems with Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 Edition which would
cause boot failures?  Is it the dual boot configuration causing the problem? 
Could it be that? 

Or is it something about my hard drive (Western Digital 250 GB Sata-2
drive)?  My operating system (XP Pro/SP2)? 

I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I did want to get to the bottom
of the problem as quickly as possible. 

Sorry if I said some harsh things in that thread on my O/S group.  It's
really a hobby and something I very much enjoy.  I have a lot of software
experience and I am used to things crashing and I can usually figure out why
or find someone who can help! 

I hope you weren't offended by any of my comments.  That was not my
intention, to be critical.  I rather would like some answers to questions
that I have trouble finding anyone to answer. 

Like the one I have about the boot menu.  It has 4 options and will only
allow me to select the 1st 3 of the 4, and all 3 of the first 3 options
crash in a different way, all probably related to EMM386, unable to
continue, Please reboot=F7F 

Illegal Instruction occurred 
CS=CF6E  IP=5065 SS=9DA2 SP=2134 DS=E000 ES=6F6E 
etc 

Sound familiar? 

Thanks in advance! 

Brent Martin

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[Freedos-user] Screen Shot of FreeDOS boot problem -- illegal instruction

2007-03-12 Thread BrentMartin

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Re: [Freedos-user] Screen Shot of FreeDOS boot problem -- illegal instruction

2007-03-12 Thread Florian Xaver
Hi,

have you tried it without emm386? btw. you could try JEMM386
http://www.japheth.de/.

bye
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Re: [Freedos-user] Screen Shot of FreeDOS boot problem -- illegal instruction

2007-03-12 Thread BrentMartin



Florian Xaver-2 wrote:
 
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 have you tried it without emm386? btw. you could try JEMM386
 http://www.japheth.de/.
 
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Avoid small talk?  That almost sounds rude to avoid saying Thanks!!

Yes, I did my best to try it without emm386.  I tried your suggestion with
no success.

I downloaded the latest JEMM386.EXE and this is a screen shot with the
results.

Not really any better or worse than with EMM386.EXE.

Am I missing something really obvious?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Screen Shot of FreeDOS boot problem -- illegal instruction

2007-03-12 Thread Joseph Thomson

Hi,

I don't have a solution to this problem, but I would just like to say that I
have a similar problem, maybe I can help by providing the details of mine.

I can get FreeDOS to boot (after many hours spent failing to get Windows'
boot manager to work with FreeDOS), but only on option 3 (the difference
being that 1 and 2 run emm386.exe).  I get a slightly different message,
although I have had several of those opcode messages while running FreeDOS.

MORE$driver by Eric Auer 2003 loaded.  Use:  ...  MORE$
Kernel: allocated 41 Diskbuffers = 21812 Bytes in HMA

The program then hangs indefinitely, only to be cured by a swift
Ctrl-Alt-Del.  I am no expert and I do not know what emm386.exe does, apart
from it is something to do with memory.  What I do know is that when I boot
FreeDOS on option 3, I can run most (well, all that I have tried) programs
that came in the package, however, every single CD-bound DOS install-app I
have tried to run also hangs indefinitely.  On a probably related note, I
can get the FreeDOS installation to complete, but the configuration only
completes if I don't install the network driver(s), this also makes the
computer hang.

My system is as follows

Point Of View Nvidea 7600GT 256mb DDR3 PCI-E
E6300 Core 2 Duo *OEM* 1.86GHz 1066FSB 2MB Cache
1GB (2x512MB) OCZ DDR2-667 PC2-5400 RAM
Maxtor 6V200E0 200GB SATA300 7200rpm 8MB Cache
  1st Partition - 190GB NTFS with Windows XP Pro x64 Edition
  2nd Partition - 10GB FAT32 with (to a certain extent) FreeDOS 1.0

My head is starting to ache so much over this that I'm starting to
thoroughly regret getting 64-bit Windows (although admittedly it was a lot
easier to install than FreeDOS).  After much fruitless browsing, this thread
has been the nearest I have seen to my problem.  I would be very much
relieved if there was a solution out there.

Thanks,

Joseph Thomson


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Florian Xaver-2 wrote:

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 have you tried it without emm386? btw. you could try JEMM386
 http://www.japheth.de/.

 bye
  Flo
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Avoid small talk?  That almost sounds rude to avoid saying Thanks!!

Yes, I did my best to try it without emm386.  I tried your suggestion with
no success.

I downloaded the latest JEMM386.EXE and this is a screen shot with the
results.

Not really any better or worse than with EMM386.EXE.

Am I missing something really obvious?

Brent Martin

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Re: [Freedos-user] Screen Shot of FreeDOS boot problem -- illegal instruction

2007-03-12 Thread Joseph Thomson

Hi,

I don't have a solution to this problem, but I would just like to say that I
have a similar problem, maybe I can help by providing the details of mine.

I can get FreeDOS to boot (after many hours spent failing to get Windows'
boot manager to work with FreeDOS), but only on option 3 (the difference
being that 1 and 2 run emm386.exe).  I get a slightly different message,
although I have had several of those opcode messages while running FreeDOS.

MORE$driver by Eric Auer 2003 loaded.  Use:  ...  MORE$
Kernel: allocated 41 Diskbuffers = 21812 Bytes in HMA

The program then hangs indefinitely, only to be cured by a swift
Ctrl-Alt-Del.  I am no expert and I do not know what emm386.exe does, apart
from it is something to do with memory.  What I do know is that when I boot
FreeDOS on option 3, I can run most (well, all that I have tried) programs
that came in the package, however, every single CD-bound DOS install-app I
have tried to run also hangs indefinitely.  On a probably related note, I
can get the FreeDOS installation to complete, but the configuration only
completes if I don't install the network driver(s), this also makes the
computer hang.

My system is as follows

Point Of View Nvidea 7600GT 256mb DDR3 PCI-E
E6300 Core 2 Duo *OEM* 1.86GHz 1066FSB 2MB Cache
1GB (2x512MB) OCZ DDR2-667 PC2-5400 RAM
Maxtor 6V200E0 200GB SATA300 7200rpm 8MB Cache
  1st Partition - 190GB NTFS with Windows XP Pro x64 Edition
  2nd Partition - 10GB FAT32 with (to a certain extent) FreeDOS 1.0

My head is starting to ache so much over this that I'm starting to
thoroughly regret getting 64-bit Windows (although admittedly it was a lot
easier to install than FreeDOS).  After much fruitless browsing, this thread
has been the nearest I have seen to my problem.  I would be very much
relieved if there was a solution out there.

Thanks,

Joseph Thomson

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Florian Xaver-2 wrote:

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 have you tried it without emm386? btw. you could try JEMM386
 http://www.japheth.de/.

 bye
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Avoid small talk?  That almost sounds rude to avoid saying Thanks!!

Yes, I did my best to try it without emm386.  I tried your suggestion with
no success.

I downloaded the latest JEMM386.EXE and this is a screen shot with the
results.

Not really any better or worse than with EMM386.EXE.

Am I missing something really obvious?

Brent Martin

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Re: [Freedos-user] Screen Shot of FreeDOS boot problem -- illegal instruction

2007-03-12 Thread Eric Auer

Hi all,

 only on option 3 [works] (the difference being that
 1 and 2 run emm386.exe).  I get a slightly different message, although
 I have had several of those opcode messages while running FreeDOS.

Then you should try www.japheth.de JEMM386 and maybe some manual
tuning for the options. Try for example X=e000-efff X=test and
maybe some options which are recommended in the JEMM386 readme.

 MORE$driver by Eric Auer 2003 loaded.  Use:  ...  MORE$
 Kernel: allocated 41 Diskbuffers = 21812 Bytes in HMA
 The program then hangs indefinitely

That is very interesting. It means that the hang happens
at the very moment when the kernel starts to use the HMA.
It probably means that your A20 control is causing troubles.
Try some of the /METHOD:... options for HIMEM, see HIMEM /?.

You can also make option 4, no drivers, work by adding a
(fd)config sys line 4?ECHO no drivers. You can also skip
loading drivers by pressing F8 when DOS boots, it will then
ask you for each driver whether you want to load it.

 FreeDOS on option 3, I can run most programs
 that came in the package, however,
 every single CD-bound DOS install-app I
 have tried to run also hangs indefinitely.

Then try to update SHSUCDX: www.geocities.com/jadoxa/shsucdx/
The version on our CDROM has the bug that the 8086 compatible
SHSUCDX can crash when the drive is not ready / no disk in drive.

 On a probably related note, I
 can get the FreeDOS installation to complete, but [...] only
 completes if I don't install the network driver(s)

Interesting. I personally think that there should be an easy
way to select install everything which does not need USB or
network during or after install. Would also make the install
a lot faster, and one can still add network related stuff later.

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] Screen Shot of FreeDOS boot problem -- illegal instruction

2007-03-12 Thread Japheth
 Then you should try www.japheth.de JEMM386 and maybe some manual
 tuning for the options. Try for example X=e000-efff X=test and
 maybe some options which are recommended in the JEMM386 readme.

The most important setting in Jemm386 concerning MS VPC might be NOINVLPG. 
Indeed, this option was added just because of this emulator, which seems to 
have problems emulating the cpu's TLB correctly. With this option on Norbert 
Remmel got MS VCP, FD and Jemm386 to work finally.

Generally, since the emulators apparently aren't fully reliable, it might be a 
good idea to first boot FD without Himem/Emm386 and then advance step by step.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Screen Shot of FreeDOS boot problem -- illegal instruction

2007-03-12 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Japheth schreef:
 Generally, since the emulators apparently aren't fully reliable, it might be 
 a 
 good idea to first boot FD without Himem/Emm386 and then advance step by step.
   
In case of troubleshooting, it's smart to start in Safe Mode (F5) or 
SingleStepping (F8) modes and see which line of code is the culprit.
if pressing F5, please set the path to your FreeDOS directory manually, 
and then use EDIT to comment out the trouble causing line of code.

As for boot process hanging after showing the buffers in HMA line, 
DOS=HIGH or SHELLHIGH might be the trouble as I've seen this problem 
earlier in
VMware.

A sample debugging script would be (upon F5):
SET PATH=C:\FREEDOS\BIN
EDIT C:\FDCONFIG.SYS (or EDIT C:\CONFIG.SYS)
EDIT C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT (or EDIT C:\FREEDOS\FDAUTO.BAT)

By default the FreeDOS 1.0 installs a lot of drivers, and apparently 
they not all work out of the box on every single machine.


My own use of FreeDOS is quite simple these days by mounting an ISO once 
kernel and shell have been loaded:
DEVICE=HIMEM.EXE
DOS=HIGH

SHSURD /F:FDBOOTCD.ISO
SHSUCDX /D:SHSU-CDH,X
SET PATH=C:\;C:;X:\FREEDOS\SETUP\BIN


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Re: [Freedos-user] Screen Shot of FreeDOS boot problem -- illegal instruction

2007-03-12 Thread Norbert Remmel
 The most important setting in Jemm386 concerning MS VPC might be NOINVLPG. 
 Indeed, this option was added just because of this emulator, which seems to 
 have problems emulating the cpu's TLB correctly. With this option on Norbert 
 Remmel got MS VCP, FD and Jemm386 to work finally.

Yes, that's right. NOINVLPG is the right setting for MS Virtual Machine.
For some programs to work you have to add the NOVME option, too.
Microsoft promised to implement these opcodes in their 2007 release, but
unfortunately they didn't.
I will write another complaint for their 2008 release. ;-)

Norbert.

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[Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: XGREP version 1.03

2007-03-12 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hello!

Robert Nordier kindly agreed to add his fast UNIX-like `grep' clone
including source code to the FreeDOS project.

Excerpt from his mail:
***
I've replaced the license with one previously used for some of my
BSD work (it is essentially the old 386BSD license).  Even this
isn't all that explicit about granting the right to make changes,
but in practice this right has always been assumed (see, for example,
src/sys/boot/i386/btx/ in the FreeBSD source tree).
***

I just put everything to the right directory, added a `build.bat' for
Arrowsoft Assembler + WarpLink, wrote a short LSM file, and made the
distribution packages.

see http://www.freedos.org/cgi-bin/freedos-lsm.cgi?q=fa=util/xgrep.lsm

Robert Riebisch
-- 
BTTR Software
http://www.bttr-software.de/

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