Re: [Freedos-user] Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware Help

[Bret]

You may need to use the Microsoft KEYB program (from MS-DOS) rather than the
FREEDOS KEYB program.  While the FreeDOS KEYB program works pretty well most
of the time, it is NOT a true equivalent to the MS KEYB program.  It sounds
like a BIOS compatibility problem, which the MS KEYB program may be able to
fix when the FreeDOS KEYB won't.



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[Freedos-user] Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware Help

[Salih Yuhnis]

Hello Tom,


We didn't try img file on another pc. As you mentioned there is a problem with 
our real hardware. We will make the necessary changes in sys and bat files also 
give a try to MKEYB.exe if it behaves differently and return if we take some 
difference.


Thanks and Best Regards.


Salih.



Gönderen: Tom Ehlert 
Gönderildi: 11 Eylül 2016 Pazar 14:26
Kime: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
Konu: Re: [Freedos-user] Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout 
Hardware Help

> On physical machine any of keyboard layouts not work. In Virtualbox every 
> keyboard layout is working.
>
> We think real machine memory side has a problem with loading keyb.exe.

there is a tool called MEM.EXE where you can detect if KEYB is loaded
or not.

it may be as well that MEM gets loaded, but your BIOS or hardware does not 
behave
as KEYB is expecting it.

to debug your problem:

reduce FDCONFIG.SYS to

  !SHELL=A:\COMMAND.COM A:\ /E:2048 /F /MSG /P=A:\FREEDOS\FDAUTO.BAT

and FDAUTO.BAT to

DISPLAY con=(EGA,857,1)
mode con codepage prepare=((857) A:\FREEDOS\EGA.CPX)
mode con codepage select=857
NLSFUNC /Y A:\DRIVER\COUNTRY.SYS
KEYB.exe tr,857,A:\FREEDOS\keybrd2.sys /id:179


or possibly even

  KEYB.exe tr,857,A:\FREEDOS\keybrd2.sys /id:179

are you able to produce turkish characters?

if not, you are runnning interesting hardware.

no way to debug this over the internet, you have a real problem.


you may try if MKEYB behaves differently.

   MKEYB GR

should swap 'Y' and 'Z'.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware Help

[Tom Ehlert]

Hello Salih,

did you try to boot your image on real, but different hardware, like a
standard PC?

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware Help

[Tom Ehlert]

> On physical machine any of keyboard layouts not work. In Virtualbox every 
> keyboard layout is working.
>  
> We think real machine memory side has a problem with loading keyb.exe.

there is a tool called MEM.EXE where you can detect if KEYB is loaded
or not.

it may be as well that MEM gets loaded, but your BIOS or hardware does not 
behave
as KEYB is expecting it.

to debug your problem:

reduce FDCONFIG.SYS to

  !SHELL=A:\COMMAND.COM A:\ /E:2048 /F /MSG /P=A:\FREEDOS\FDAUTO.BAT

and FDAUTO.BAT to

DISPLAY con=(EGA,857,1)
mode con codepage prepare=((857) A:\FREEDOS\EGA.CPX)
mode con codepage select=857
NLSFUNC /Y A:\DRIVER\COUNTRY.SYS
KEYB.exe tr,857,A:\FREEDOS\keybrd2.sys /id:179


or possibly even

  KEYB.exe tr,857,A:\FREEDOS\keybrd2.sys /id:179

are you able to produce turkish characters?

if not, you are runnning interesting hardware.

no way to debug this over the internet, you have a real problem.


you may try if MKEYB behaves differently.

   MKEYB GR

should swap 'Y' and 'Z'.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware Help

[Eric Auer]

Hi Salih!

Do you boot virtualbox with PXE and MEMDISK? Or do you configure
virtualbox to use the img file as "normal floppy drive A: content"?

As mentioned earlier using, PXE and MEMDISK can have side effects,
for example less RAM free for HIMEM and EMM386. Also, try if things
work better without EMM386. You can use F8 during boot to skip some
config items once, without having to make a new img file. This can
help with testing...

Another idea is to install MEM on your img! Then you can use MEM
with different options to learn more about your available memory.
You can see differences which explain why KEYB fails to load.

Eric

> We run virtualbox in another windows machine to test if the
> img file is working or not. Keyb.exe is actually loaded without
> generating any errors on both
> 
> physical machine and virtualbox enviroment.
> 
> 
> On physical machine any of keyboard layouts not work.
> In Virtualbox every keyboard layout is working.
> 
> We think real machine memory side has a problem with loading keyb.exe.



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[Freedos-user] Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware Help

[Salih Yuhnis]

Hello Ralf,


We run virtualbox in another windows machine to test if the img file is working 
or not. Keyb.exe is actually loaded without generating any errors on both

physical machine and virtualbox enviroment.


On physical machine any of keyboard layouts not work. In Virtualbox every 
keyboard layout is working.

We think real machine memory side has a problem with loading keyb.exe.


Thanks.


Salih.



Gönderen: Ralf Quint 
Gönderildi: 11 Eylül 2016 Pazar 00:53
Kime: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Konu: Re: [Freedos-user] Ynt: Ynt: Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware 
Help

On 9/10/2016 2:31 PM, Salih Yuhnis wrote:

Hi Ralf,


Yes Virtualbox and real machine is exactly loading same without generating any 
errors. In Virtualbox keyboard layout is working. In Real machine its not 
working.

When we check in memory looks like a problem in real machine side.


You are not answering the question!
Where do you run VirtualBox? on the very same physical machine?

Also, you did not answer the question if you verified that keyb.exe isn't 
actually loaded or if your parameters you are trying to give it don't work?

Ralf



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