[Freedos-user] Do FreeDOS need a password program?
Hi all, How many of you are using (or wish using) a password program preventing strangers to run FreeDOS on your machine? I ask that, because personally I am using such program, and if there is more people having that need, it would be good to think about adding an utility like that into FreeDOS distro. I use the one from http://the.killer.webpark.pl/password.htm (the description is in polish, but the program itself is US-speaking, just download it). Of course if a program like that had to be included in FreeDOS, it must be smaller, faster and GNU/GPL (The mine is written in pascal, closed source freeware and is using an external text file viewer for viewing the LOG file) Fox --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:34, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Theresa, snip FreeDos is legal, isn't it? FreeDOS is completely free and legal, written by volunteers all over the world. Even some of the GUIs are completely free and legal, while others are not free. The above should tell you that many people do not give a damn about copying MS Windows or MS Office from their neighbours, but it is certainly illegal. There are various legal alternatives: Use OpenOffice.org, which is free and legal, pay 100s of bucks for a legal copy of MS Office, or buy it bundled with a new PC, in which case it costs only a fraction of the normal price. Exactly the same happens for Windows: As an alternative, you can use Linux, BeOS Zeta, FreeBSD or any other free operating system (including FreeDOS), but you can also buy it for quite some money, or buy it bundled with a new PC or at least piece of hardware. The bundled price for WinXP Home is around 100 Euros as far as I remember. I've been very impressed lately by some of the missed opportunities in early Win31/Win95 Office Suites and DOS WordProcessors. A complete Office Suite that fits on less than 9MB hard disk space - I like! In relation to that, does anyone know where I can find the specifications of the native WordPerfect file format? And suchlike? I know O'Reilly's had something of the sort, and there might have been something similar published somewhere else - but I don't know where to get copies. Thanks Wesley Parish In either case, WinXP and MS Office are far too heavy for your very old laptop. So you can only use it with Win95 or at most Win98se. In Germany, it is legal to sell 2nd hand copies of any Windows version, as long as you REALLY sell it (give everything to the one who buys it, and delete everything on your own PC: You must MOVE it to the new owner, not COPY it...), but in other countries, it can happen that a Windows license is glued to a human being or PC forever, even if the PC falls apart into a pile of rusty dust. Anyway. You can buy 2nd hand copies of Win95 for 20something and of Win98se for 40something $$. You wrote that your laptop already has Win95 installed anyway. If you have a legal copy, e.g. have the license certificate around, then you can probably ask MS to send you a new CD-ROM if you have lost the original one. And, at least my personal feeling tells me this, nobody would complain if you use the CD- ROM of Win95 of somebody else to install drivers on the Win95 which you already legally own, even if you no longer have the original CD-ROM. I hope that answers some of your questions. Eric. PS: Please do make sure that you configure your EMail program to send mail only as plain text. At the moment, you use HTML, which is pretty unstylish for mailing lists / not nice and easy to read. snip -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
RE: Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
Sorry, I understood that you meant that there's no point in installing FreeDOS in a new machine, and I mentioned a possible situation. Aitor - Mensaje Original - Remitente: GNU_man [EMAIL PROTECTED] Destinatario: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Fecha: Martes, Marzo 15, 2005 6:57pm Asunto: Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC) I think some people misunderstood what I originally said about FD and old PC's. I didn't say ONLY, i just meant in addition to providing a true DOS O/S for your current computer, FD is is ideal for really old PC's because besides DOS there is not much else you can do with it! For example, I have a 12Mhz 286 that would be completely useless if I didn't have FreeDOS. But I am learning how to program, and an old PC+(Free)DOS is perfect for that, especially assembly language. Finding a legit. version of MS-DOS these days is like finding an honest politician, but thanks to FD you can even study some of the source code to help you learn how to program, not to mention all the added functionality of FD. The reason I like using such a slow PC is that you can actually see the difference in performance between good code and sloppy code. On a more modern machine than my 286, a routine written in interpreted QBasic would appear to run no slower than my highly optimized assembler routine! --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 09:53, AITOR SANTAMARIA MERINO wrote: Sorry, I understood that you meant that there's no point in installing FreeDOS in a new machine, and I mentioned a possible situation. There are even some DOS applications which needs a MORE powerful machine than a typical 286-486 with 4-8MB RAM... Three examples: Pixel32 (a photoshop-like graphic program for DOS) needs a 400MHz CPU and 64MB RAM Carmageddon (in HIRES mode) needs an ~600 MHz CPU and 48MB RAM QuickView Pro (for playing DivX / XviD videos) sometimes needs even more than 633 MHz (it depends of the video file coding/resolution) so, FreeDOS (and generally DOS) isn't reserved to oldschool machine owner's... By the way, I am an intensive FreeDOS user, and my machine isn't *very* old: Cel766 / 256MB RAM / Voodoo 3 3000 Fox --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Do FreeDOS need a password program?
What type of password program is this to work like, or say from config.sys or autoexec.bat? There is http://bbx.flnet.org/nxdos/password.zip which just returns NZ error level for good password entry and designed to run from autoexec.bat and you can have it run reboot if errorlevel is 0. Fox wrote: Hi all, How many of you are using (or wish using) a password program preventing strangers to run FreeDOS on your machine? -- --chris 1-916-501-1423 a href=http://bbx.flnet.org/nxdos/;http://bbx.flnet.org/nxdos//a --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Do FreeDOS need a password program?
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 10:31, Christopher Evans wrote: What type of password program is this to work like, or say from config.sys or autoexec.bat? There isn't any other way I think.. (optionally we can use a password program located in the MBR, but that isn't 'clean' I think... and it's impossible to write a log file..) By the way, when using a program like that it is important to remember about the SWITCHES command in CONFIG.SYS to disallow the possibility of bypassing starting files just by pressing F5/F8... There is http://bbx.flnet.org/nxdos/password.zip which just returns NZ error level for good password entry and designed to run from autoexec.bat and you can have it run reboot if errorlevel is 0. Well, I'm _not_ searching any password program, because for my own use I have the mine, I am just interested if other people are using (or would using) such software, because if there are a lot of users needing a password program, it could be worth to think about including into the FreeDOS distribution a password-like program. Linux have that function natively, why not FreeDOS? - of course FreeDOS can give only root access or none access, but for a single-user machine (most of DOS PC are single user..) that's not a problem. Fox --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Re: FD-DOC wiki
Hi, I noticed that http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php has the questions from the normal FAQ system, but not the answers, copied over to the Wiki FAQ system copy. That will make people believe that there are many open questions, which causes either frustration if you want to get the answer or double-answering if you have the answer and do not realize that the answer is already stored in the classic FAQ. In addition, the SPECs should have two links: Original specs and editable specs. Otherwise you might get out of touch with the official version. Eric PS: I mean original non-editable specs, for reference. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
WordPerfect file format Was Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
Wesley Parish wrote: ... In relation to that, does anyone know where I can find the specifications of the native WordPerfect file format? And suchlike? I know O'Reilly's had something of the sort, and there might have been something similar published somewhere else - but I don't know where to get copies. Thanks Wesley Parish Corel publishes a WordPefect SDK, it might have the spec or at minimal will help in understanding the file format. You should look at libwpd, it is a library (unfortunately uses GSF which is GLIB based) for reading Word Perfect files. (It is used for AbiWord, and OpenOffice as well.) It mostly supports WordPerfect 6 through 11, though it does have some support for WP 4 5. See http:/libwpd.sourceforge.net for more/better information, their link page includes the url for the Corel SDK. Jeremy --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
RES: [Freedos-user] FD-DOC wiki, was: Question
Ok, It will be done. I'll point people to right direction (bugzilla) when it comes to bugs. Thanks. Carlos - -Mensagem original- - De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:freedos-user- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Michael Devore - Enviada em: terça-feira, 15 de março de 2005 22:43 - Para: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net - Assunto: [Freedos-user] FD-DOC wiki, was: Question - - At 09:24 PM 3/15/2005 -0300, Carlos AB wrote: - - The wiki site for Fd-doc is almost ready and I though it would be nice - to - have your opinions, comments and help, before it goes public. So here - is - the address: - - http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php - - Spread the word. :) - - Improvement suggestion: In big bold letters, ask people to post bug - reports - to Bugzilla or the mail lists, direct e-mail if they must, but not in the - wiki FAQ. I'm just now seeing 1-year-old bug reports people have stuck - in - the wiki. - - Individual bug reports are not wiki FAQ fodder. There is no formal - mechanism to track new reports. Plus, asking developers to read not only - the mail lists and Bugzilla, but to also regularly scan new wiki changes - looking for bug reports is spreading the debug process too thin and too - far. In fact, I would suggest that no individual debugging help be - offered - there, but rather a suggestion to go to, and help with, posting the bug - to - Bugzilla. Or directions on how to join the freedos-user mail list. Or a - pointer to the FreeDOS contact list URL. - - (Yes, I know I can probably edit the wiki myself, but I've not used it - previously and a policy-oriented change seems best left to those in - charge - of documentation decisions.) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
RES: [Freedos-user] Re: FD-DOC wiki
Do you think it is a good thing to change from faqtrak to wiki ? The original specs idea, will be done. Carlos - -Mensagem original- - De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:freedos-user- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Eric Auer - Enviada em: quarta-feira, 16 de março de 2005 08:23 - Para: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net - Assunto: [Freedos-user] Re: FD-DOC wiki - - - Hi, I noticed that - http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php - has the questions from the normal FAQ system, but not the answers, - copied over to the Wiki FAQ system copy. That will make people believe - that there are many open questions, which causes either frustration if - you want to get the answer or double-answering if you have the answer - and do not realize that the answer is already stored in the classic FAQ. - - In addition, the SPECs should have two links: Original specs and editable - specs. Otherwise you might get out of touch with the official version. - - Eric - - PS: I mean original non-editable specs, for reference. - - - - --- - SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide - Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. - Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. - http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click - ___ - Freedos-user mailing list - Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net - https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
--- GNU_man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I like using such a slow PC is that you can actually see the difference in performance between good code and sloppy code. On a more modern machine than my 286, a routine written in interpreted QBasic would appear to run no slower than my highly optimized assembler routine! Your approach is commendable. DOS is thriving in all manner of devices, where the economics of assembly code still apply. There is a big unit-cost gap between a 286 vs. 386 single board, and flash storage is expensive. DOS desktoppers are mainly a residual group of users who recognize and appreciate craftsmanship. But there's no money to be made. The choicest pearls are mostly free because the swine prefer MS bloatware. Charlie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Do FreeDOS need a password program?
Well, I would be okay with the idea of donating the password program w/ source to the FreeDOS distro if you like, let me know. I supposed it should be reviewed to be sure of its function properly under FreeDOS. I would not prefer the MBR or even boot sector way of installing such program, either it be a function of the kernel or loadable at startup time. I gotta get a better webhost, this running the site off my laptop is not satisfactory. Fox wrote: There isn't any other way I think.. (optionally we can use a password program located in the MBR, but that isn't 'clean' I think... and it's impossible to write a log file..) By the way, when using a program like that it is important to remember about the SWITCHES command in CONFIG.SYS to disallow the possibility of bypassing starting files just by pressing F5/F8... Well, I'm _not_ searching any password program, because for my own use I have the mine, I am just interested if other people are using (or would using) such software, because if there are a lot of users needing a password program, it could be worth to think about including into the FreeDOS distribution a password-like program. Linux have that function natively, why not FreeDOS? - of course FreeDOS can give only root access or none access, but for a single-user machine (most of DOS PC are single user..) that's not a problem. Fox --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- --chris 1-916-501-1423 a href=http://bbx.flnet.org/nxdos/;http://bbx.flnet.org/nxdos//a --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: WordPerfect file format Was Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
Hi, A bit going too far offtopic, but *very* interesting (for me) at the same time. Any chance for the Lotus WordPro format? (LWP). After the plain and nice format of the Lotus AmiPro files (SAM), WordPro seems to have some sort of binary compressed format, that I have seen documented nowhere, and no open source drivers at all (for OO, etc) What about the rest of SmartSuite? (1-2-3, Freelance Graphics, Approach,...) Aitor Kenneth J. Davis escribió: Wesley Parish wrote: ... In relation to that, does anyone know where I can find the specifications of the native WordPerfect file format? And suchlike? I know O'Reilly's had something of the sort, and there might have been something similar published somewhere else - but I don't know where to get copies. Thanks Wesley Parish Corel publishes a WordPefect SDK, it might have the spec or at minimal will help in understanding the file format. You should look at libwpd, it is a library (unfortunately uses GSF which is GLIB based) for reading Word Perfect files. (It is used for AbiWord, and OpenOffice as well.) It mostly supports WordPerfect 6 through 11, though it does have some support for WP 4 5. See http:/libwpd.sourceforge.net for more/better information, their link page includes the url for the Corel SDK. Jeremy --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
