[Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...
Hi all, I read Michael Robinson's email with great interest. About my only interest in DOS is that it allows me to take over the machinery without the operating system butting in. It is a fantastic environment for test programming and other uses that require real time I/O. I've been away from the test programming for a year or two, and I'm about to start another project, so I'll probably try to upgrade to the latest FreeDOS. The extensions I'm interested in are mainly those that allow me to access newer filesystems so that the people who use my tests won't whinge as much about having to transfer files from DOS to NTFS or the like. Too many features is a pain. We can get too many features anywhere, even my latest Linux OS is annoying me with features that I don't want and can't turn off. I understand the enthusiasm of those who want to do all that is possible in DOS, but spare a thought for those like me who just want the bare minimum to work. Jim -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Beat free doom refueling base...
I am trying to figure out how to get through the room in free doom where there is a stair that leads to a light, a strange part of the wall that is an illusion, and a door that seemingly won't open. I can't go back the way I came, I get stuck trying to. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Beat free doom refueling base...
I am stuck in the room where there is a ladder that leads to the light. The wall in one spot looks strange and on the map it shows up in yellow. There is a door, but no switch or key to open it with. I find that I can't backtrack interestingly enough, the stairs I came into this area on can't be followed back. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Beat free doom refueling base...
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:54 AM, plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: I am stuck in the room where there is a ladder that leads to the light. The wall in one spot looks strange and on the map it shows up in yellow. There is a door, but no switch or key to open it with. I find that I can't backtrack interestingly enough, the stairs I came into this area on can't be followed back. This isn't a FreeDOS question, though. Maybe this will help you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doom+walkthrough :-) -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Beat free doom refueling base...
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 09:12 -0600, Jim Hall wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:54 AM, plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: I am stuck in the room where there is a ladder that leads to the light. The wall in one spot looks strange and on the map it shows up in yellow. There is a door, but no switch or key to open it with. I find that I can't backtrack interestingly enough, the stairs I came into this area on can't be followed back. This isn't a FreeDOS question, though. Why is it not a freedos question? This is the free version of doom that comes with freedos 1.0. I've tried to look through doom walkthroughs, but there is a problem. Most of the walkthroughs are for the non free versions of doom instead of this one. If software is going to be included in freedos, shouldn't people be allowed to ask about it on here? Maybe free doom should be distributed with a walkthrough for those who need it. I'm not saying that I can't google for a walkthrough, but I don't feel like working my way through all the false hits right now. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...
Hi Michael, I like dos when I have an old computer and some old games that work under dos. Running Windows on a 486 is a pain in general. True true. You kept a 486 because games are too fast otherwise? I think a Pentium 3 or K6-2 is a good compromise: Fast enough for newer OSes and mainboards have ISA (DOS sound!), PCI, AGP. As far as web browsing and dos, isn't dos susceptible to almost every single virus on the planet? Another thing, some people want to run dos thinking that it can't browse the Internet. DOS is too old to support modern viruses, so unless you download infected copies of old DOS software, risks are quite acceptable. And of course you can use antivirus software for DOS... What I don't like about Arachne is that it doesn't have any kind of filtering apparatus built in. Internet Explorer does, but it's too paranoid. Try adblock plus and noscript for Firefox. That and the nosquint (zoom), colorful tabs and download helper (youtube) plugins are the ones I always recommend ;-). For Arachne you have no such plugins, but it supports not much javascript in the first place and you might be able to filter some ads by using a hosts file to put banner servers on 127.0.0.1 etc. Arachne tries to integrate email access assuming a pop account. I use imap. So basically you are happy with having email software but unhappy with the missing imap support ;-). There is a desire in some cases to network dos, but what for? If you have a 486 as mentioned above and somebody else is already browsing the internet on your modern PC, it could be fun to use the 486 as second internet PC... Unless you use a Pentium 3 or so which you can dual-boot DOS / Linux. Well, some dos games can be played over a network. Freedos can be upgraded over the Internet, though I'd rather build a local repository say on my Linux server and upgrade from that. Or just download the zips from the fdupdate repository on any operating system manually and then unzip them in DOS ;-) The most valuable update to freedos that I can think of is one that makes it more compatible with MS-DOS. But WHAT is not compatible with MS DOS yet? I mean apart from the one known case, Windows 3 386enh-mode and Windows for Work- groups... By the way, for that case, you can try the winkern of FreeDOS 1.0 which has experimental support for WfW 3.11 etc. Note that old Windows often has problems with new hardware... I want to go the Netware route because Netware without special IPX to IP gateway software isn't Internet compatible You want to avoid internet compatibility?? I'd like to see the MARS netware emulator brought over to freedos and revived. Why not, say, Samba? There already is smbclient for DOS. of Freedos being to revive old computers that aren't powerful enough to run Windows or Linux and I see it's purpose as being to provide a simple OS for the embedded computing market. Yes Freedos can be run in an emulator, but that isn't my favorite application of it. It is indeed useful for embedded computing and when you want a small OS which is not in the way while you want to access your hardware directly. I also like running it in dosemu or full emulators, for old games and testing. As I only use one (modern, fast, energy-efficient) PC normally, I do not typically revive ancient PCs ;-). Something that would be nice would be a modified dhcp client for freedos that through some reasonable trick can accept a different configuration for a particular machine than it would normally get. I'm thinking, an isolated network for freedos with an update repository on that network would be nice. The alternative... I see no reason to isolate DOS. Only servers are at risk regarding bad internet trying to infect your PC and in DOS, you do not have any server running in the background. That said, I wonder how safe Sioux / EzNos DOS servers are. (And you can also tweak dhcp SERVERS, instead of clients) Freedos needs to be as clean as possible and as stable as possible. Small is good, there should be a very small footprint base install. Cross dependencies where freedos has so called super packages that are meant to do everything should be broken purposely. Small utilities with very specific purposes are better than monstrous ones that try to do everything in a very constraining manner. BASE already fits on 2-3 diskettes depending on how much of the docs you want to include. Most dependencies in FULL are only things like needs internet or needs cwsdpmi. List: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdDependencies (note: FdInstall already is in our new wiki but not FdDependencies) One request for freedos is a nice Gem based backup program that can back the system up in part or in entirety to anything from a network share to a local DVD burner or hard disk. I'm thinking a modern and free program with a MyBackup like environment. While it is not GEM, what do you think about: cdd
Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...
Is no one else running DOS on late model machines to do actual work. My primary machines now are Pentium D. With a mix of PATA and SATA. I have rather recent suites from Corel and M$. But my word processor of choice is still WP 6.2a DOS. My accounts payable program was written in 1995. Once in a while I do a serious search for a new program, and then stick with what I have. I have had a UPS driver with a COD, and I have booted DOS and printed a check, and the driver did not feel I unnecessarily delayed him. Try that with a GUI. I also have a material requirements planning program that can still keep up. I actually think chasing numbers and letters around the screen with a mouse is not very efficient. I also have a printed circuit layout program. And I have to work real hard to crash DOS. Ray -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
