Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove Arachne from Freedos 1.1...
Hi Michael, It isn't Firefox and so there isn't a filtering plugin for it that will You could write one. Arachne takes dozens or maybe hundreds of megabytes RAM less compared to Firefox. As you want to use DOS for internet, you apparently want a SMALL browser. Please remove Firefox from your system. Using a number of Linux web browsers to open the freedos.org homepage, I got amounts of RAM usage which make both Mozilla and Firefox inacceptable for use in DOS even if porting would be easy. At least you once said that you prefer DOS because it can run on older PCs which cannot run ReactOS or simple Linux. ReactOS works on Pentium I with 32 MB RAM afair, which is barely enough even for the DILLO browser. All browsers which use less than that are plain TEXT mode browsers: W3M, LYNX, ELINKS... Text mode would be worse than graphics you get in Arachne. block certain web sites. It is very low resolution by today's standards It has SVGA 1024x768 as far as I remember. It could probably be modified to use any VESA supported resolution :-). and php web pages aren't likely to work correctly with it. I've had PHP is something on the server, not related to any browser detail. problems downloading from ftp sites with Arachne with the download being corrupted. I don't like it when Arachne downloads to the cache Report the bug. folder instead of the download folder to a file with a random name. Why? If Arachne had an option to password protect any attempt to access sites that aren't local to the machine it is running on, that would be somewhat of an improvement. If you open a local file which has links to external web pages then you are the one who copied that file to the local PC anyway. It would be more useful to have warnings about redirects and iframes and javascripts pointing you from one EXTERNAL web page to another external web page on another server... As I do not think that Arachne supports iframes or javascript, you already avoid 2/3 of the bloat and of the risk ;-). I really want to be able to run Firefox from Freedos running natively. One option is to add a light distribution of Linux that runs on top of Freedos with a light version of X and Firefox. Another option is It would be much much more easy to run normal Freedos on top of a normal Linux with a normal Firefox. What would the good points of using Freedos as a boot loader for a Linux with Firefox be? to add an X client for Freedos. A third option is to port Firefox so Both options would take as much work as the development of Freedos itself, if not orders of magnitude more, if you are unlucky... that it will work with a Freedos compatible gui such as opengem or something else. I guess a fourth option is to see about porting WINE to Freedos, but that would be a major undertaking. Do not worry, it might be much easier than porting Firefox to DOS. Of course it would still be much harder than running DOS in Linux. Arachne is not a great substitute for Firefox It is the only real graphical browser available for DOS for free. So the way to a better browser would be to improve Arachne :-). Eric -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove Arachne from Freedos 1.1...
Please remove Arachne from Freedos 1.1 Please leave this list. It isn't Firefox Right. and so there isn't a filtering plugin for it that will block certain web sites. No need. It is very low resolution by today's standards NO. and php web pages aren't likely to work correctly with it. Wonderful BUG-report :-) I really want to be able to run Firefox from Freedos running natively. Me too. One option is to add a light distribution of Linux that runs on top of Freedos with a light version of X and Firefox. Bad idea. Another option is to add an X client for Freedos. If you can do it ... why not ??? A third option is to port Firefox so that it will work with a Freedos compatible gui such as opengem or something else. Very good idea. I guess a fourth option is to see about porting WINE to Freedos, but that would be a major undertaking. Right. 2 more: - 5. improve HX - 6. improve Arachne PLease keep Arachne included with FreeDOS :-) -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] USB Question
No. I'm working as an IT technician. So this only from the last couple of years. OK, testing PC's daily, also USB support in INT $13 2) No, but get *different* ones. The 6 are different. BTW, I didn't write I would OWN them all. Stupid example: You've never seen a single car accident live, so car accidents don't happen in real life. Accidents are just figments of TV stations and stage directors. Bad example: - Maybe I haven't seen any crash live, but still I've seen the wrackages, gravous crosses at road, the huge jams after ... - I never said it can't work, only not universal and generic enough. Also, for so-called DOS-PC's from 1995 to 2002 it's useless. Is this how your brain works? much more around than in your little world. PLease try to keep a civial level and keep you brain 's, baby 's, moron 's, little world 's etc. out. -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove Arachne from Freedos 1.1...
BTW, DOSLynx (closed source) also sould be included, it supports HTTPS unlike Arachne. -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] What do you need from Windows world...
I haven't gotten the positive response I had hoped for trying yeah :-( to drum up some interest in a Windows 9x replacement. NO thanks. :-( Some have talked about possibly enhacing HX extender Very good idea. and cloning Windows 3.x first, which makes a lot of sense. NO. Maybe it doesn't make sense to replace dog based Windows. Maybe dog based Windows is dead. Exactly. So what to do those of us who like some program or need some program that requires a dog based version of Microsoft Windows? 1. HX (no Win16 NE support) 2. ReactOS 3. W[h]hine 4. Replace the program There is an open source service pack for Windows 98 SE, but it doesn't fix everything that's wrong. Indeed, especially it doesn't fix the license. I run freedos natively. I have given up on trying to run it under vmware. Good. Internet Exporer 5 and earlier, maybe 6. Hardest-core CRAP, please don't pull it out if it's grave. Command and Conquer Red Alert Windows 95 edition by Westwood Associates I don't know this one. Blake Stone Aliens of Gold requires the MS-DOS 6.22 Wolfenstein 3D has the same problem because it's probably based on the same underlying engine. It starts under Freedos, but none of the keys work. Open a new clean thread to discuss those 2 only, no ME cloning !!! Microsoft Office for Windows 9x. Get some other office. Warcraft II Battle Net edition requires Windows 95 or higher. Under NT, it becomes clear that it isn't designed for it when you have to become Administrator to get it to run. Diablo II requires Windows 9x or higher, but it's not designed for NT either also having the Administrator issue. Ok, just get Administrator, problem anihillated :-) Insert other programs that need Windows 9x or Windows 3.x to work... I have none. :-) -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Some simple list rules
1. Please remember that this is a users mailing list. Many of these folks are non technical and may not understand the ramifications of what they are asking for. When something that may be silly to you is asked, gently try to explain why it is not feasible. If the question comes up often enough, I will put it into the FAQ and you can simply point him or her to it. 2. Do not attack anyone's request. Making negative comments about one's intelligence, existence, family, pet, etc. is certainly not going to help FreeDOS. All it will do is have that individual turn away from using FreeDOS and spread negative comments about the project. 3. Do not act like a troll. Purposely asking questions that will start a flame war will not be tolerated. 4. Keep comments on topic. If you feel the need to change the direction of the thread, change the subject. Thank you. Pat -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] What do you need from Windows world...
Internet Exporer 5 and earlier, maybe 6. Hardest-core CRAP, please don't pull it out if it's grave. Using IE 5 instead of Arachne is a good idea. It has support for the MS version of JavaScript (JScript) and runs even on Windows 3.11 standard mode. This makes it render a lot of web sites far better than Arachne. -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove Arachne from Freedos 1.1...
Please remove Arachne from Freedos 1.1 Please leave this list. I second this. this entire discussiopn is a waste of bandwidth. Tom -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Some simple list rules
Thanks for your comments Pat, they were sorely needed. --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Pat Villani p...@monmouth.com wrote: From: Pat Villani p...@monmouth.com Subject: [Freedos-user] Some simple list rules To: freedos-user freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:46 AM 1. Please remember that this is a users mailing list. Many of these folks are non technical and may not understand the ramifications of what they are asking for. When something that may be silly to you is asked, gently try to explain why it is not feasible. If the question comes up often enough, I will put it into the FAQ and you can simply point him or her to it. 2. Do not attack anyone's request. Making negative comments about one's intelligence, existence, family, pet, etc. is certainly not going to help FreeDOS. All it will do is have that individual turn away from using FreeDOS and spread negative comments about the project. 3. Do not act like a troll. Purposely asking questions that will start a flame war will not be tolerated. 4. Keep comments on topic. If you feel the need to change the direction of the thread, change the subject. Thank you. Pat -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Peace and Quiet!
To all involved in the recent Arachne and Windows threads: Look, you guys! We need peace and quiet on this and on all DOS forums, if DOS is to survive! Take it from a 63-year-old who has been in more than my own share of wars, like many of you know, and which I regret for the damage to DOS they did. DOS is dying. Some may say no, but I sense it is used much less than before, in part due to all the arguments on this and other forums among people who still do use DOS. My goal now, for UIDE and all my drivers, is to make them the best possible so DOS will SURVIVE! To this end, (A) they are again offered to all, (B) their sources are again available, and (C) I shall work with anybody and EVERYBODY to make them better! Japheth helped me speed-up UIDE in protected mode and I sent him a stripped UIDEJR he can use to upgrade XDMA32/XCDROM32. He is busy with JWASM, but if he ever updates his JLM drivers, [for which I am NOT expert-enough in protected mode], I will help him all I can! Bernd Blaauw wanted changes to UIDE that help his automatic scripts, and he got them! I am changing RDISK from a .SYS to a .COM file, which will then allow a user specified drive letter when loaded thru the AUTOEXEC.BAT file. [Not possible in CONFIG.SYS, a long story why!].Anything else I can think of, I will do! If I can do all that, so can all of you. Let's end the WARS, and do our best to keep ALL versions of DOS alive! Jack R. Ellis -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Install Grub
I have two partitions, MSDOS on 1 and FreeDOS on 2. How do I install grub from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD? tomdean -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Install Grub SOLUTION
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 10:26 -0700, Thomas D. Dean wrote: How do I install grub from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD? \fdos\bin\bootlace 0x80 copy GRLDR C:\GRLDR create c:\BOOT\GRUB\MENU.LST # # title MSDOS unhide (hd0,0) rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 makeactive # # title FreeDOS unhide (hd0,1) unhide (hd0,1) rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 makeactive -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Peace and Quiet!
I never intended to start a WAR over Arachne and coming up with a Windows replacement. I would like to see Arachne, because it's graphical and there are no filter plugins for it, moved from the Freedos ditribution to say an extras respository. I can't install procon:latte to Arachne, which is an over effective filter for Firefox 2.x and later. Lynx isn't a problem because it isn't graphical where there might be a desire to support reading simple text web pages that are local to the Freedos machine. MS DOS was never networked out of the box where Freedos to be like it should not be either. All of the network programs, except lynx, can be put into an extra repository that can be distributed on a separate CD. As far as a Windows replacement, a couple of comments: Dos based Windows is not necessary to support all of the programs I listed, W3D and Blake Stone work if you have a new enough version of them, but it is needed to support some. If Dos based Windows is used, Freedos is possibly being run on a computer that has 128+ megs of RAM. There are a LOT of old computers that have this much RAM. Even more if you include 486s with 64 megs of RAM. A Pentium III 450 can certainly run XP, but I don't recommend that. Making a list of what is lost if you don't have Dos based Windows is not a bad idea. People think of Dos, Windows has been popular since at least MS-DOS 3.3 where few programs were written when Windows was popular to run in straight Dos. A Windows replacement does not necessarily need to be Windows compatible. Opengem is technically a Windows replacement, it just isn't one that replaces say the web browsers that people typically ran in Windows 98. MS Dos existed all the way up to the Pentium which typically had 128 megs of RAM or more. That 128 meg Pentium is your typical Windows 98 machine. Freedos can ask, Are you on a Pentium, 486, 386, 286, or 8088, at install time. Based off of that info, it is possible to decide whether or not certain programs like Firefox for example make any sense. I seriously doubt that anyone wants to run Arachne on anything less than a 486 with at least 2 megs of RAM for example. If I am not mistaken, Freedos is being designed to work on everything from yesterday's computer to today's multi core 64 bit system. Why not? If Freedos is being run natively on a multi core computer, running a GUI that can support Firefox when there is more than a GIG of RAM to work with seems like no big deal. Certainly on a computer like that one can reboot to Linux or relegate Freedos to an emulated environment, but it would be nice if you didn't have to do that. A version of Linux that installs to a FAT directory and exits to Freedos when you are done would be fine. There is such a thing as the UMSDOS file system which Linux can be installed to, though I don't know of any modern Linux distributions that install this way. A Windows replacement that is Windows compatible is certainly a separate project. I have always been curious why the FreeWin95 project failed. A project to build a GUI that will run Firefox which can sit on top of Freedos might be simpler than a project to clone Windows 9x in entirety. In short, the state of Freedos's Arachne poses a security problem for anyone who needs to make sure that a graphical web browser has a local filter on it. Sure you might filter at the router to the Net, but that isn't always the case. On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 08:20 -0700, Jack wrote: To all involved in the recent Arachne and Windows threads: Look, you guys! We need peace and quiet on this and on all DOS forums, if DOS is to survive! Take it from a 63-year-old who has been in more than my own share of wars, like many of you know, and which I regret for the damage to DOS they did. DOS is dying. Some may say no, but I sense it is used much less than before, in part due to all the arguments on this and other forums among people who still do use DOS. My goal now, for UIDE and all my drivers, is to make them the best possible so DOS will SURVIVE! To this end, (A) they are again offered to all, (B) their sources are again available, and (C) I shall work with anybody and EVERYBODY to make them better! Japheth helped me speed-up UIDE in protected mode and I sent him a stripped UIDEJR he can use to upgrade XDMA32/XCDROM32. He is busy with JWASM, but if he ever updates his JLM drivers, [for which I am NOT expert-enough in protected mode], I will help him all I can! Bernd Blaauw wanted changes to UIDE that help his automatic scripts, and he got them! I am changing RDISK from a .SYS to a .COM file, which will then allow a user specified drive letter when loaded thru the AUTOEXEC.BAT file. [Not possible in CONFIG.SYS, a long story why!].Anything else I can think of, I will do! If I can do all that, so can all of you. Let's end the WARS, and do our best to keep ALL versions of DOS alive! Jack R. Ellis
