Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

2017-11-03 Thread Mateusz Viste 
On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 00:17:18 +, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote:
> Jack's drivers are required on a number of dos-era systems else FreeDOS
> will not even install/boot.

If it won't install nor boot, then how would you use any drivers in the 
first place?
Any bug reports?

> Being unable to use FreeDOS is annoying but
> a working system is needed and the wishes of the owners of the
> respective intellectual property have to be respected.

Everyone's free to do whatever he wants. But this list, last time I 
checked, is about FreeDOS, or in general - Free DOS software (not 
freeware).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

2017-11-03 Thread Dimitris Zilaskos 
Hi,

Jack's drivers are required on a number of dos-era systems else FreeDOS
will not even install/boot. Being unable to use FreeDOS is annoying but a
working system is needed and the wishes of the owners of the respective
intellectual property have to be respected.

Cheers,

Dimitris

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Ralf Quint  wrote:

> On 11/3/2017 7:19 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote:
> >
> > just as a tiny side note:
> >
> > I am only aware of 2 persons THAT CONSISTENTLY SHOUT.
> > Jack and the american president.
> >
> +1 :-P
>
> Ralf
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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

2017-11-03 Thread Ralf Quint 
On 11/3/2017 7:19 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote:
>
> just as a tiny side note:
>
> I am only aware of 2 persons THAT CONSISTENTLY SHOUT.
> Jack and the american president.
>
+1 :-P

Ralf


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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

2017-11-03 Thread Tom Ehlert 
> Also, did you know that UMBPCI is actively maintained
> and more reliable in finding out which areas can be
> used for UMB etc. than JEMM / JEMM386? So it can be
> a good idea to use explicit EMM options based on what
> UMBPCI detected: This avoids more conflicts than the
> easier method of letting JEMM / JEMM386 autodetect.

interesting.

can you try to contact Uwe Sieber if he would be willing to
share his used memory detection logic.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

2017-11-03 Thread Tom Ehlert 
Dear Eric,


> Hi :-) Quick news from Jack's drivers: He has a closed
> source update for XMGR (more fail-safe 386 XMS move)
> and UHDD: The new UHDD has the interesting feature of
> read-ahead for cache sizes of at least 20 MB. It is
> a simplified version without I/O overlap and DOS RAM
> search table location and "/G" command line options.
> Sample copies can be requested from Johnson or Jack.

even closed, unfree, paid for software usually comes with a link so I
can find more description (rather then 'more fail-safe 386 XMS move'),
download it, see fee ( '25$ per PC'), limitations ('not for military'),
price and more.

but 'can be requested from Johnson or Jack', meaning
 'on a good day, Jack might decide to send you a copy.
  on a bad day, NOT.'

is the stupidest thing I have read for a long time.
this has no place on this list, and you should know that.

it's even stupider as most readers of this list have no email address
of Johnson or Jack.



just as a tiny side note:

I am only aware of 2 persons THAT CONSISTENTLY SHOUT.
Jack and the american president.


Tom




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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

2017-11-03 Thread Mateusz Viste 
On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:23:55 +0100, Eric Auer wrote:
>>> Quick news from /dev/null 's drivers: [etc. rant etc.]
> 
> In short, you said "nag nag nag" ;-)

While it's obviously true that Rugxulo have some ranting issues, I don't 
see any reason to promote proprietary software on the FreeDOS list 
either... There are surely many better places/forums for that.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

2017-11-03 Thread Eric Auer 

Hi Rugxulo,

>> Quick news from /dev/null 's drivers: [etc. rant etc.]

In short, you said "nag nag nag" ;-)

The features might still be interesting to test. Nobody
suggested to include any closed source in any distro.

Eric


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