Re: [Freedos-user] FDNPKG v0.99

[Bob Schwier]

On Wed, 9/2/15, Mateusz Viste  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FDNPKG v0.99
 To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 1:37 AM
 
 On 02/09/2015 04:43, Ralf
 Quint wrote:
 > You are making a totally
 wrong assumptionn that 16bit software means you
 > are limited to 640KB of memory.
 
 Absolutely not - my assumption
 is that running on 8086/80186 means I am 
 limited to 640KB (or let's say < 1M).
 Hence for software with higher 
 memory
 requirements there is little or no advantage of being
 16bit.
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

[Bob Schwier]

I'll miss copper because it continued to serve in a black out.  Without power
there is no fiber optic.
bs

On Fri, 12/19/14, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 
2.60)
 To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Friday, December 19, 2014, 2:34 PM
 
 On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at
 1:00 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com
 wrote:
 
  Improved tech
 makes things better; just ask Sony. Broadband use made
 the
  hacks possible.
 
 Broadband made hacks delivery *faster*.  They
 were already *possible*.
 Viruses were a
 pestilence back when everything was still DOS and dial
 up.
 
  My
 dial up is so slow it takes a half hour to download a virus,
 plenty of
  time to hit stop.
 
 Assuming you know what
 you're downloading *is* a virus.  But if you
 know that, why are you downloading?
 
 But that's a thought: we
 should all insure security by abjuring
 broadband and going back to dial up.
 
 Yeah, right.  Not *possible*
 where I am.  Verizon is making copper go
 away as fast as it can, and for good reason. 
 I wouldn't do it if it
 *were*
 possible.  Too much of what I do requires broadband.
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60

[Bob Schwier]

The complete format does have one virtue.  It wipes the disk if you need
to make sure the previous information is gone.
bs

On Sun, 12/7/14, TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Quickview ver 2.60
 To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Sunday, December 7, 2014, 3:16 AM
 
 On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:29:56 -0500,
 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de
 wrote:
 
 
  Hi!
 
  The DOS format utility is kind of an anachronism at
 this point. Usually  
  it
  takes a long time to format a partition because
 it's iterating through
  every sector of the disk. It's completely
 unnecessary these days. All it
  really needs to do is write a boot sector, FAT, and
 root directory.
 
  That is why FORMAT has options for QUICK format, which
 does
  exactly that: Write only the FAT, root dir and boot
 sector.
 
  Optionally, that combines with making a backup of those
 areas
  near the end of the disk, allowing a later UNFORMAT.
 But of
  course quick format is quickest without that backup
 step ;-)
 
  Of course both do not work with never-yet-formatted
 floppies.
 
  Eric
 
 When formatting a harddisk partition (or flash or whatever
 the actual  
 medium is), MS FORMAT relies on a correct boot sector
 already having been  
 created by FDISK. I discovered this not long ago when I
 tried to resize a  
 partition by tweaking the MBR with a sector editor. I
 changed a 20GB  
 partition to 60GB. But when I ran FORMAT, it continued to
 report 20GB. I  
 had to change the size in the partition's boot sector as
 well. And this is  
 just to perform a slow format. As for quick format, it
 doesn't work unless  
 the partition has previously been slow-formatted to create a
 valid FAT.  
 This behavior makes sense in the context of FAT16 where the
 disk is  
 checked for bad clusters which can then be marked in the
 FAT. In the  
 context of FAT32, not so much...
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] MetaDOS floppy distro - XFDOS - DOS4WIN64 Qemu environment

[Bob Schwier]

Some of us are hobbyists trying to make 20th century computers function.
bs

On Sun, 12/7/14, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] MetaDOS floppy distro - XFDOS - DOS4WIN64 Qemu 
environment
 To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Sunday, December 7, 2014, 2:32 PM
 
 On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at
 1:12 PM, Georg Potthast mail...@georgpotthast.de
 wrote:
  I will use later versions of
 Qemu in the next release. However, I would like
  to use binaries that use SDL instead of
 GTK because I think these require
  less
 disk space.
 
 Given the size
 and cost of current drives, how much does anyone
 actually *care* about the disk space
 requirements?
 
  Georg
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[Freedos-user] off topic Re: For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?

[Bob Schwier]

On Mon, 11/24/14, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?
 To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Monday, November 24, 2014, 7:35 PM
 
 On 11/23/2014 10:49 PM,
 Dennis Holierhoek wrote:
 
  I am not trolling, just wondering
 
 Well, start with learning
 what DOS (as in MS-/PC-/DR-/FreeDOS) is in the 
 first place...
 
 Why would you even expect it to run 8bit
 programs? Where do those are 
 supposed to come from?
 And
 where do you get 4bit programs from?
 
 Ralf
 
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never used, to my knowledge, as a general purpose computer which
would require an operating system.
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Re: [Freedos-user] chkdsk for fat32!

[Bob Schwier]

Is there a repository for eight bit DOS and utilities?

On Sat, 4/19/14, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] chkdsk for fat32!
 To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Saturday, April 19, 2014, 5:47 PM
 
 On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at
 4:45 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
  On 2014-04-19 13:01 (GMT-0400)
 dmccunney composed:
 
  Er, 486 != XT hardware.
 
  I still have my
 original XT sitting on a shelf.  It has a replacement
  motherboard with a 10 *mhz* NEC V20
 CPU, a Hercules graphics card, and
 
 two Seagate ST-225 20 *MB* MFM hard drives connected to an
 add-on
  controller card.  (They
 pre-date IDE.)
 
 
 If the target is genuine XT hardware, I'm not surprised
 if a more
  recent CHKDSK will fail
 to run.  Among other reasons, it's likely
  compiled to run on 386 CPUs, and
 simply won't execute on anything
  earlier.
 
  The XT CPU is an 8088, which, like the
 8086 from which it is derived, is a 16
 
 bit CPU. The difference between them is the 8088 has an 8
 bit IO bus path (an
  IBM cost reduction
 misfeature incorporated into the XT), while the 8086 has
  16 bit. The NEC V20 is a functional clone
 of the 8088 intended to be run at
 
 higher clock speeds, and with claimed greater internal
 efficiency. None AFAIK
  can possibly run
 32 bit software.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors#The_16-bit_processors:_MCS-86_family
 
 Correct.  The V20 featured
 improved microcode, and could actually
 execute 80186 instructions.  I had an app or
 two back when compiled
 for a 286 CPU that
 would run on the V20.
 
 Reports back then gave the V20 about 5% better
 performance than the
 8088 at the same clock
 rate, and it was a drop-in replacement, so it
 was a cheap speed up.
 
 I also had an AST 6-Pak card with a meg of
 additional RAM.  AST
 supplied software let
 me use the RAM as a disk cache and a RAMdisk.
 My startup created  a 512KB RAMdisk, and
 copied several most used
 utilities to it,
 and made the ramdisk first in my PATH, and I defined
 TEMP and TMP to point to it, for the benefit of
 things like PKZIP that
 could be told where
 to create temp files..  I also had a 256K disk
 cache.  I had a freeware app that could take
 unused video memory and
 allocate it to
 DOS.  The Hercules card left 64K free, so DOS saw a
 702K system.  The rest was seen as EMS memory,
 and reserved for things
 that could use it. 
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Re: [Freedos-user] HTTP_PROXY?

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This is neat.  I can use it.  I have a computer upstairs which runs the printer 
and is occasionally used 
on line.  It is currently on hardy heron as I have an install disk for that and 
am afraid to upgrade on
the reason that I think a real upgrade would be beyond the capacity of this 
turn of the century machine.
bs

On Mon, 10/7/13, Richards, Toby toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTTP_PROXY?
 To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Monday, October 7, 2013, 4:31 PM
 
 Yeah, but a GEM based
 hyperterminal would be that much more cool J  -Toby  From: Louis Santillan 
[mailto:lpsan...@gmail.com]
 
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 12:44 PM
 To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTTP_PROXY?  The mini cd is also under 30mb
 to download.
  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD  -L
 
 On Monday, October 7, 2013, dmccunney wrote:On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:24
 AM, Richards, Toby
 toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov
 wrote:
 
  If I were to find a use for FreeDOS, it would be to
 eventually get a Hyperterminal-like program running in
 OpenGEM. Laptops with serial ports are rare these days, and
 the ones we have are so old that even XUbuntu runs slow.
 
 Don't run Xubuntu.  I went through that with an
 ancient notebook.
 Xubuntu would install and technically run, but was snail
 slow.
 
 Posters on the Ubuntu forums suggested the Ubuntu had a
 steadily
 advancing idea of what low end was, and that too
 much Gnome had
 crept into Xubuntu.  They suggested what I did: get the
 minimal CD,
 install to get a working CLI environment, then pick and
 choose other
 things via apt-get.  Lxde run on an ext4 file system is
 usable.
 
 And you may not want the latest Ubuntu release.  I had
 to wipe and
 start over from scratch after attempting to upgrade to
 13.04.  It
 turns out the kernel in that release requires PAE support
 that my old
 machine doesn't have.  But the upgrade didn't
 check for that till the
 last step of installing the kernel.  The kernel install
 failed, the
 video system was hosed on reboot, and re-doing from scratch
 was the
 only real solution.
 
  -Toby
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Re: [Freedos-user] Bios limitation at 8 gb, and new hdd

[Bob Schwier]

Hey neat.  I used Ontrack Disk Manager back in the eighties.
bs





 From: Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com
To: sakura kinomoto like-a-m...@list.ru; Discussion and general questions 
about FreeDOS. freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Bios limitation at 8 gb, and new hdd
 

On DOS this is a normal limitation.

There a program Ontrack Disk Manager that help you to format big
  partitions.

You can left 1 or 2 partitions for DOS (8 Gb each) and the
  remaining disk you 
can use it with another operating system.

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El 09/02/2013 06:48 a.m., sakura kinomoto escribió:

Hi all!
I have a PC 1996 year, and bought a hd
d, Samsung sp0802n, (maybe 2005 year), with 80 gigabites But my bios can see 
only (first) 8 gigabites
I am newbie, so, please, tell me, what software can help?
Thanks for any hint! 
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Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

[Bob Schwier]

At 10:56 AM 1/30/2013, dmccunney wrote:
I'm actually more interested in what editors people *do* use under
FreeDOS, and why they use them than I am in some hypothetical new
product.
Well, I am using the same editor(s) that I have always/long time used 
in MS-DOS/PC-DOS for +25 years...

For small things, I usually use my own adaptation of the BINED editor 
of Borland's Turbo Pascal Editor Toolbox.
It's a 63KB .EXE file of which about 20KB are actually directly 
attached overlays and help file.
Can edit up to 60KB of text (with lines up to 249 characters) faster 
than pretty much anything else, using an expanded WordStar/Borland 
keyboard layout

If I need to do anything larger than that, I use the SEE editor that 
came with DeSmet C. That one handles files larger than available RAM 
(no XMS or EMS though), the largest file that I have probably used 
with it was around 8MB...

Both run just fine from anything from an 8088/8086 CPU on upwards... ;-)

Ralf

Ralf's last line pretty well sums it up.
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