Re: [Freedos-user] "The very weird Hewlett Packard FreeDOS option"

[richardkolacz...@hotmail.com]

Jim Hall wrote

At least HP stopped referring to "FreeDOS 3.0" on their website. I had sent 
them a "cease and desist" letter about that, when you originally mentioned it. 
We don't have a FreeDOS "3.0" distribution, so I said HP needed to stop 
confusing users with that version label. They changed all references from 
"FreeDOS 3.0" to just "FreeDOS" after I sent the letter.




I know that this current topic is "dead" (to me) and the above paragraph by Jim 
was really the answer I needed for closure (very clear-cut). Misunderstanding 
by me when replies to me say just "typo" or such - WITHOUT stating what the 
FULL CORRECTION should be (to clarify matters for any future readers).


If you have a few minutes to waste time on...

Just for fun, refer to the following links (as of 10 minutes ago)... and paying 
attention to dates


hp zbook fury g8
https://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=c07606964


hp zbook firefly g8 specs (<-- see date for MS Bing Search Result)
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06978741https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06978741





The firefly model was released shortly before the fury model and actually 
mentions FreeDOS 1.2.


Maybe HP does not know about FreeDOS 1.3?

Richard
HP ZBook Firefly 15.6 inch G8 Mobile Workstation 
Specifications<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06978741>
5G module is an optional feature that must be configured at purchase. Requires 
activation and separately purchased service contract. Check with service 
provider for coverage and availability in your area.
support.hp.com

HP ZBook Firefly 15.6 inch G8 Mobile Workstation 
Specifications<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06978741>
5G module is an optional feature that must be configured at purchase. Requires 
activation and separately purchased service contract. Check with service 
provider for coverage and availability in your area.
support.hp.com

HP ZBook Fury 15.6 Inch G8 Mobile Workstation 
PC<https://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=c07606964>
QuickSpecs HP ZBook Fury 15.6 Inch G8 Mobile Workstation PC Features c07606964 
— DA – 16852 —Worldwide — Version 18 — January 18, 2022 Page 5 1 Multicore is 
designed to improve performance of certain software products. Not all customers 
or software applications will
www8.hp.com





From: Jim Hall 
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2022 8:28 PM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] "The very weird Hewlett Packard FreeDOS option"



On Mon, May 16, 2022, 8:22 PM 
richardkolacz...@hotmail.com<mailto:richardkolacz...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:richardkolacz...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
[..]
IF I am allowed to quote myself (from a now "dead" topic)

[Freedos-user] Question about FreeDOS 3.0


For anyone curious, the following link is how to custom configure (at purchase 
time) the HP laptop

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/ConfigureView?urlLangId==10051=-1=10151=3074457345620032820=1

>From the options at start of page, using Ubuntu (which is free) as a guide - 
>one can determine the "cost" of Windows (Pro) to being about   US$215. 
>Depending which (of many) links to configure HP zBook G8 you go to, the option 
>of FreeDOS 3.0 is not always available - however with the previous model 
>(about 1-2 years ago), the G7 version always had FreeDOS 2.0 or Ubuntu at no 
>charge (and roughly Windows Pro being at the same price).
[..]

I don't see FreeDOS on the link you shared, so I think that HP ZBook Fury 17 G8 
page has changed since you first shared it, or I'm not clicking the right link 
to change the OS. (I see only Win 11 pro, Win 10 pro, Win 11 home, and Ubuntu 
Linux.)

At least HP stopped referring to "FreeDOS 3.0" on their website. I had sent 
them a "cease and desist" letter about that, when you originally mentioned it. 
We don't have a FreeDOS "3.0" distribution, so I said HP needed to stop 
confusing users with that version label. They changed all references from 
"FreeDOS 3.0" to just "FreeDOS" after I sent the letter.


Jim

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Re: [Freedos-user] "The very weird Hewlett Packard FreeDOS option"

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Jim Hall wrote



*I'll note that I don't see the same pre-installed OS options when I
click on the "HP Zbook Fury 17.8 G8" in the article. I only see
"Windows 11 Pro," "Windows 10 Pro," "Windows 11 Home," and "Ubuntu
Linux 20.04." So either HP has changed it, or the "FreeDOS" option is
not available in the US (the article's screenshots show purchase
prices in Euro).


NO NEW INFORMATION here (below) from me, but ...

IF I am allowed to quote myself (from a now "dead" topic)

[Freedos-user] Question about FreeDOS 3.0


For anyone curious, the following link is how to custom configure (at purchase 
time) the HP laptop

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/ConfigureView?urlLangId==10051=-1=10151=3074457345620032820=1

>From the options at start of page, using Ubuntu (which is free) as a guide - 
>one can determine the "cost" of Windows (Pro) to being about   US$215. 
>Depending which (of many) links to configure HP zBook G8 you go to, the option 
>of FreeDOS 3.0 is not always available - however with the previous model 
>(about 1-2 years ago), the G7 version always had FreeDOS 2.0 or Ubuntu at no 
>charge (and roughly Windows Pro being at the same price).



NOTE - HP has just announced the next model - HP zBOOK Fury G9


Richard



From: Jim Hall 
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2022 3:07 AM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] "The very weird Hewlett Packard FreeDOS option"

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:09 AM Liam Proven  wrote:
>
> I thought that this blog post might interest folks here.
>
> https://blog.tmm.cx/2022/05/15/the-very-weird-hewlett-packard-freedos-option/
>
> Various models of HP computer can be bought with FreeDOS as their
> operating system, and it is the cheapest option -- or Ubuntu Linux for
> some models.
>
> But it's not just a computer with a formatted hard disk and FreeDOS on
> it. It's considerably more complicated than that...
>


Summary for those who don't want to click on the article:

HP is selling new laptops, like the HP Zbook Fury 17.8 G8, with
FreeDOS pre-installed. But it's UEFI only (no BIOS) and any DOS
requires a BIOS. Here's how HP pre-installed FreeDOS on this system:
(quoted from article)

>  1 The laptops is set to UEFI boot, which boots a pretty standard GRUB
>  2 Debian gets booted with KMS disabled, as well as all DRM drivers.
>  3 Once the system is booted Gnome Display Manager starts
>  4 GDM will automatically login the root user and start the /root/.xsession
>  5 The XSession will start an XFCE terminal and executes Qemu on an image 
> file in /home/aos/qemu


So basically, HP has installed Linux, which starts QEMU, and they boot
FreeDOS inside QEMU. When you shut down FreeDOS (exit QEMU) the system
shuts down too.


*I'll note that I don't see the same pre-installed OS options when I
click on the "HP Zbook Fury 17.8 G8" in the article. I only see
"Windows 11 Pro," "Windows 10 Pro," "Windows 11 Home," and "Ubuntu
Linux 20.04." So either HP has changed it, or the "FreeDOS" option is
not available in the US (the article's screenshots show purchase
prices in Euro).


Jim


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Rufus

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My BOOT DOS USB stick was created using Rufus and the usb full image of RC5 and 
created on the Windows 10 platform. Initially I had problems trying to create 
the disk - but it turned out that because of me "folder protecting (windows)" 
all drives - windows would not let me Rufus the stick. Simply by (temporarily) 
" un folder protect the USB drive", I successfully created my USB BOOT via the 
USB full RC5 image from your site.

I do not know about the CD version.

So I am always booting off the USB stick and it is partitioned with C:\,  D:\ 
and E:\ drives. The C:\ drive is ~ 512 MB and with all the "full FreeDOS 
stuff", it left me with about 70 MB. Tons of free space on D:\ and E:\ with my 
16 GB USB stick. Note that I do not install FreeDOS on the hard drive (which 
has Windows 10).

Using only the USB stick (not an additional CD drive) works fine with me.


Just a side note,  I always ensure that if I want another USB stick at the same 
time (eg data files) - that the additional USB sticks are "plugged in" BEFORE 
freedos booting up. Also I had some issues in which of the 4 USB ports on my 
laptop the BOOT stick is plugged in (if I had two or more USB sticks plugged 
in). On my laptop, only two ports are USB 3, the other two are USB 2. Only one 
of the USB 2 ports can handle a USB 1 device. So watch out on the USB "speed" 
of the BOOT disk itself - may need to trial and error which stick goes where 
(if more than one used).

Note my laptop has a "Legacy mode" and if I wanted to, could also have the CSM 
(?) mode for DOS boot up.


Hope this helps.


Richard

From: Jerome Shidel 
Sent: Sunday, 17 April 2022 7:34 PM
To: FreeDOS Users 
Subject: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Rufus

Hi All,

A first time user reported having issues booting the 1.3 LiveCD after creating 
a USB stick with Rufus. Other than a few minor things, I don’t use windows. So 
if one of you are familiar with the tools they are using, they could probably 
use some help or at least some pointers on getting a bootable USB stick.

https://gitlab.com/FreeDOS/issue-reporting/-/issues/27

Thanks,

Jerome
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Re: [Freedos-user] How to add AHCICD.sys in the auto check-list for USB BOOT?

[richardkolacz...@hotmail.com]

Louis

Thank you for your reply. Very useful background information for me.

In my case I think I will just stick with removing AHCICD.sys (simply by 
renaming) when I know that I will use USB BOOT stick on computer without 
optical drive (which is < 1% of the time).

So for my laptop with optical drive (which I use >99% of time for DOS) the 
system will BOOT up OK with the AHCICD.sys present.

Richard

From: Louis Santillan 
Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2022 4:17 AM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] How to add AHCICD.sys in the auto check-list for 
USB BOOT?

CONFIG.SYS does not work like that.  It looks like a script or batch file but 
it mostly isn't.  But it does a have a MENU capability 
(http://www.freedos.org/kernel/config.txt).  There's a few examples there as 
well as at Phil's Computer Lab 
(https://www.philscomputerlab.com/ms-dos-starter-pack.html).


On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:59 AM 
richardkolacz...@hotmail.com<mailto:richardkolacz...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:richardkolacz...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Tom

Thanks for reply.

Any way to do an error check thing instead of always needing to be present to 
accept or reject device AHCICD.sys?

I have not worked out/understand how FreeDOS does it automatically for the 4 CD 
options - be nice to apply this method to my 5th  CD device (AHCICD.sys) .

Otherwise for totally automated unattended operation I simply removed the 
AHCICD.sys file and the laptop without optical drive does boot up OK.

Richard

From: tom ehlert mailto:t...@drivesnapshot.de>>
Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2022 3:27 AM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 
mailto:freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net>>
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] How to add AHCICD.sys in the auto check-list for 
USB BOOT?

Hallo Herr richardkolacz...@hotmail.com<mailto:richardkolacz...@hotmail.com>,

am Freitag, 11. März 2022 um 17:23 schrieben Sie:

> I use the ONE USB BOOT stick for two laptops (only one has an optical drive).


>  I was able to recognize the optical drive by simply putting
> AHCICD.sys into the \FreeDOS\BIN\ folder (on the USB stick) and for
> the laptop with the optical drive, the system boots up nicely.


>  However, because I want to use the ONE USB stick for both
> machines, now on the second laptop (without optical drive), on
> bootup, the computer locks up at the AHCICD.sys stage. When the
> AHCICD.sys file is simply removed, the usual FreeDOS checking on 4
> CD possibilities  "errors out" in a controlled manner and allows continuation 
> of the BOOT-up.


>  So how can I have this 5th CD check (i.e. checking via AHCICD.sys)
> in the manner of the 4 CD checks already in FreeDOS.

load it like

?device=AHCIDD.SYS

will ask you if it shall be loaded.

Tom







> Richard



> From: Robert Riebisch mailto:r...@bttr-software.de>>
> Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 7:25 PM
> To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
> mailto:freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3
>
> Hi Jim,

 >> One program to fix the "runtime error 200" is Robert and Marek's TSR
 >> tool, which we include in FreeDOS 1.3:
 >>  
 >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/pkg-html/tp7p5fix.html

>  Robert here. I noticed, TP7P5FIX is not working for all software, but I
>  didn't investigate this.

>  I had good results with
>  <http://kannegieser.net/veit/programm/r200fix.arj>. (Sources:
>  <http://kannegieser.net/veit/quelle/r200fix_src.arj>)

>  Cheers,
>  Robert
>  --
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Re: [Freedos-user] How to add AHCICD.sys in the auto check-list for USB BOOT?

[richardkolacz...@hotmail.com]

Tom

Thanks for reply.

Any way to do an error check thing instead of always needing to be present to 
accept or reject device AHCICD.sys?

I have not worked out/understand how FreeDOS does it automatically for the 4 CD 
options - be nice to apply this method to my 5th  CD device (AHCICD.sys) .

Otherwise for totally automated unattended operation I simply removed the 
AHCICD.sys file and the laptop without optical drive does boot up OK.

Richard

From: tom ehlert 
Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2022 3:27 AM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] How to add AHCICD.sys in the auto check-list for 
USB BOOT?

Hallo Herr richardkolacz...@hotmail.com,

am Freitag, 11. März 2022 um 17:23 schrieben Sie:

> I use the ONE USB BOOT stick for two laptops (only one has an optical drive).


>  I was able to recognize the optical drive by simply putting
> AHCICD.sys into the \FreeDOS\BIN\ folder (on the USB stick) and for
> the laptop with the optical drive, the system boots up nicely.


>  However, because I want to use the ONE USB stick for both
> machines, now on the second laptop (without optical drive), on
> bootup, the computer locks up at the AHCICD.sys stage. When the
> AHCICD.sys file is simply removed, the usual FreeDOS checking on 4
> CD possibilities  "errors out" in a controlled manner and allows continuation 
> of the BOOT-up.


>  So how can I have this 5th CD check (i.e. checking via AHCICD.sys)
> in the manner of the 4 CD checks already in FreeDOS.

load it like

?device=AHCIDD.SYS

will ask you if it shall be loaded.

Tom







> Richard



> From: Robert Riebisch 
> Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 7:25 PM
> To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3
>
> Hi Jim,

 >> One program to fix the "runtime error 200" is Robert and Marek's TSR
 >> tool, which we include in FreeDOS 1.3:
 >>  
 >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/pkg-html/tp7p5fix.html

>  Robert here. I noticed, TP7P5FIX is not working for all software, but I
>  didn't investigate this.

>  I had good results with
>  <http://kannegieser.net/veit/programm/r200fix.arj>. (Sources:
>  <http://kannegieser.net/veit/quelle/r200fix_src.arj>)

>  Cheers,
>  Robert
>  --
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>   Home page: https://www.bttr-software.de/
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Re: [Freedos-user] How to add AHCICD.sys in the auto check-list for USB BOOT?

[richardkolacz...@hotmail.com]

I use the ONE USB BOOT stick for two laptops (only one has an optical drive).

I was able to recognize the optical drive by simply putting AHCICD.sys into the 
\FreeDOS\BIN\ folder (on the USB stick) and for the laptop with the optical 
drive, the system boots up nicely.

However, because I want to use the ONE USB stick for both machines, now on the 
second laptop (without optical drive), on bootup, the computer locks up at the 
AHCICD.sys stage. When the AHCICD.sys file is simply removed, the usual FreeDOS 
checking on 4 CD possibilities "errors out" in a controlled manner and allows 
continuation of the BOOT-up.

So how can I have this 5th CD check (i.e. checking via AHCICD.sys) in the 
manner of the 4 CD checks already in FreeDOS.


Richard

From: Robert Riebisch 
Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 7:25 PM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3

Hi Jim,

> One program to fix the "runtime error 200" is Robert and Marek's TSR
> tool, which we include in FreeDOS 1.3:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/pkg-html/tp7p5fix.html

Robert here. I noticed, TP7P5FIX is not working for all software, but I
didn't investigate this.

I had good results with
. (Sources:
)

Cheers,
Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] Question about FreeDOS 3.0

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For anyone curious, the following link is how to custom configure (at purchase 
time) the HP laptop

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/ConfigureView?urlLangId==10051=-1=10151=3074457345620032820=1



>From the options at start of page, using Ubuntu (which is free) as a guide - 
>one can determine the "cost" of Windows (Pro) to being about   US$215. 
>Depending which (of many) links to configure HP zBook G8 you go to, the option 
>of FreeDOS 3.0 is not always available - however with the previous model 
>(about 1-2 years ago), the G7 version always had FreeDOS 2.0 or Ubuntu at no 
>charge (and roughly Windows Pro being at the same price).

I think that I understand the reason of the "inflated Windows Pro price from 
HP" (when comparing if you purchased Windows 10 from an independent vendor).

Note that my laptop (G2 manufactured about 8 years ago, and purchased second 
hand at a very nice price) - I have "outgrown" it (it only has 256G byte PCIe 
SSD, 3K display) and I have "maxed out" the RAM to 32 GByte. A very important 
wish was to increase the PCIe SSD and although easy to change (physically) the 
PCIe SSD to a much larger capacity (say buying from eBAY) - the problem of 
installing the Windows operating system on the larger PCIe SSD prevented this. 
To cut a long story short - when investigating how to install/migrate Windows 
to a larger PCIe SSD - after a few months of searching, reading maybe a 
thousand forum replies (it seems), trying my existing software (and free trials 
software),etc - on my G2 laptop (which only has ONE PCIe slot - where the C:\ 
drive is)) - it is not possible to reinstall Windows on a larger (or another 
for that matter) PCIe M.2 SSD. Various manufacturers/vendors of PCIe SSD would 
not be willing to state they would offer a refund for purchase of a new larger 
SSD M.2 if it turns out that the operating system could not be migrated to the 
new SSD. Similarly, the few software houses (with OS "clone" capabilities) 
completely side-stepped the issue of refund if their software failed to 
"migrate" the OS to a new larger PCIe SSD). The best I could do, was have a 99% 
clone success rate but the final 1% related to the actual Windows booting 
process, and so therefore useless for having a larger SSD.

It turns out, after reading about the thousandth google search result on the 
matter, that the "formatting/installation process" to have an operating system 
on a PCIe M.2 SSD is "proprietory/custom" for each computer manufacturer (and 
possibly also model specific) - the computer manufacturers will not release 
details - AND Windows will not support what is needed to allow cloning of the 
operating system (BECAUSE the format of a PCIe SSD is custom). On the other 
hand,  migration of OS to a SATA SSD is supported (SATA is not custom format 
dependent).

As a spare part I could not buy from HP a larger capacity PCIe SSD (with 
windows) - in fact when was available, just to replace the existing 256 GByte 
drive was about US$950 (more than what I actually paid for the laptop). I 
gather that buying Windows already installing on a PCIe SSD has to be much more 
expensive than the separate purchase of Windows and PCIe SSD because of the 
"complexity" involved of installing an OS onto a PCIe SSD (whereas an OS on a 
SATA SSD is relatively easy).

After using the laptop with Windows booting from the PCIe SSD - running Windows 
from a SATA SSD is so very slow (like about a minute compared to a few seconds).


So I am "window shopping" for a "better laptop" than what I have at present and 
from my experience it is better for me to have the factory preconfigure 
"everything" rather than messing around with saving a few dollars and trying to 
do things myself (eg install OS on PCIe SSD, RAM memory upgrade that is truely 
compatible (speed, voltage) etc).


As a side note, apparently the main market for HP computers with FreeDOS 
installed is CHINA.

I hope to hear soon from Jim Hall regarding "what's up" with the HP FreeDOS 3.0.


From: dmccunney 
Sent: Friday, 3 December 2021 3:53 AM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Question about FreeDOS 3.0

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 2:56 AM Ivan Ivanov  wrote:
>
> Laptops with FreeDOS / Linux instead of Windows - are really valuable!

To whom?

Dell offered systems through Walmart a while back that did not have
Windows per-installed.  They dropped the offer.  The systems without
Windows did not *sell*.  (If you are Dell, selling through Walmart,
"sales" will be measured in  tens of thousands of systems. If you
aren't selling that sort of volume, you stop trying to do it that
way.)

The market for such a system is too small for a major computer
manufacturer to bother with.

> At least because the price of the Win license is included in the
> laptop price, and nobody in their right mind wants to pay an extra $30
> for this glitchy "air". I'd spend these $30 on a RAM upgrade, or
> 

Re: [Freedos-user] Question about FreeDOS 3.0

[richardkolacz...@hotmail.com]

Try the very LAST LINK below first to obtain the relevant brochure.



Email from HP.com "You're missing out on Cyber Monday deals, Richard" -Shop 
HP's Holiday Gift Guide > CYBER MONDAY > Workstation power (HP Book Studio G8 
Mobile S40X7UA#ABA)


https://outlook.live.com/mail/inbox/id/AQMkADAwATY3ZmYAZS1kZAE0LWZjZDAtMDACLTAwCgBGAAADbLMdRCVfk0Cwly48TGfj3gcA9WyUTNi%2BLkGN5%2BY54JWLagEM9WyUTNi%2BLkGN5%2BY54JWLaAAFo5J8Dw%3D%3D


When going to the above laptop model from the email the link  for "CYBER WEEK" 
page is

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/slp/cyber-sale/business-pcs?mi_u=37e18e4d4e54f43b7dd1f0c2d2ad7d26_Flag=True_tier=GS_ign=142374_content=S2R6C1%20Product%204=em_con_nc_ns=280920643_medium=em_source=sf=37e18e4d4e54f43b7dd1f0c2d2ad7d26==2809206=1


Clicking on the image (of laptop)  -  link is


https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-zbook-studio-156-inch-g8-mobile-workstation-p-540x7ua-aba-1?jumpid=ma_cyber-sale_product-tile_business-pcs_2_540x7ua_hp-zbook-studio-15.642374


Going to the Specs of same





https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-zbook-studio-156-inch-g8-mobile-workstation-p-540x7ua-aba-1?jumpid=ma_cyber-sale_product-tile_business-pcs_2_540x7ua_hp-zbook-studio-15.6


NOW (in the Product Specifications of the above link) CLICK ON THE HP Data 
Sheet line (printed in blue)

AMS WS - HP ZBook Studio 15.6 inch G8 Mobile WorkStation PC DataSheet



and the link (for the brochure) is

https://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=4aa7-9961enuc


I refer you  to the "Available Operating Systems" near the top of page 2





Note that the previous models similarly had FreeDOS 2.0 as an available 
operating system (for a number of years).


From: Jim Hall 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2021 12:38 PM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Question about FreeDOS 3.0


On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 7:00 PM 
richardkolacz...@hotmail.com<mailto:richardkolacz...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:richardkolacz...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I am new to trying to setup FreeDOS as bare-metal configuration to use instead 
of Windows 10 for programs I am writing.

I notice that HP computer company has FreeDOS 3.0 as an option for Available 
Operating Systems. Is this anything to do with this forum? Any advantages for 
me to use this instead of RC1.5 version etc.

I have attached a screenshot from the HP specifications page for you to study - 
I hope this attachment does not go against any forum rules.



Thanks for sharing this. The attachment wasn't too big so the email list 
accepted it. Otherwise, a copy/paste of hte text would be preferable.

Can you share a link to HP's site where you found this? There is no "FreeDOS 
3.0" - as Michal commented, we haven't released the final release of FreeDOS 
1.3 yet, so FreeDOS "3.0" is impossible. So clearly HP is advertising this 
incorrectly. I can follow up with HP if you can share the link where you found 
this.


Jim
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Re: [Freedos-user] Question about FreeDOS 3.0

[richardkolacz...@hotmail.com]

I am new to trying to setup FreeDOS as bare-metal configuration to use instead 
of Windows 10 for programs I am writing.

I notice that HP computer company has FreeDOS 3.0 as an option for Available 
Operating Systems. Is this anything to do with this forum? Any advantages for 
me to use this instead of RC1.5 version etc.

I have attached a screenshot from the HP specifications page for you to study - 
I hope this attachment does not go against any forum rules.

Thanks

Richard



From: Rugxulo 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 November 2021 11:52 AM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] How to redirect STDOUT and STDERR to file

Hi,

On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 6:53 AM saito yutaka  wrote:
>
> How to redirect STDOUT and STDERR to file.
> I want to redirect to file as follow.
>
> ---
> c:\>dir aaa > out.txt
> c:\> type out.txt
>  Volume in drive C is FREEDOS2021
>  Volume Serial Number is 3668-1A1E
> File not found.
> ---
>
> But it works as follow.
> It couldn't redirect "File not found" string.
>
> ---
> c:\>dir aaa > out.txt
> File not found.
> c:\> type out.txt
>  Volume in drive C is FREEDOS2021
>  Volume Serial Number is 3668-1A1E
> ---

As mentioned, some things won't work by default.

For most things, if you just want to silence output (usually in a .BAT
file), try this:

REM ... shut up almost all output ...
ctty nul
echo (do whatever)
ctty con
REM ... make sure to re-enable "ctty con" at the end!! ...

To redirect STDERR to file, you need a third-party util (or a better
shell like 4DOS, as already mentioned):

* http://cd.textfiles.com/simtel/simtel0101/simtel/asmutl/stderrf1.zip

There's also DJGPP's REDIR.EXE (386 DPMI) from DJDEV205.ZIP :

* http://www.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2/djdev205.zip


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