Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
Another option is to use a gemini proxy. For example: C:\>lynx https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/geminispace.info/search%3Ffreedos This is an indirect way to access gemini://geminispace.info/search?freedos ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
Thanks, Paul: gemini://geminispace.info/search?freedos There is a search "button" in top where you can enter term you care about. Here I have given the term "Freedos" to search. I'm using amfora in a terminal window. -- My old iiNet address will die 2 October! Instead, send to my new address, "br...@exemail.com.au". I don't currently have a working phone. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
Le sam., 26 août 2023 03:52:41 -0400 Bryan Kilgallin via Freedos-user a écrit > I have installed amfora in a Ubuntu PC. And I briefly looked in the > CAPCOM aggregator. > > But I feel lost! Please advise a newbie on browsing Gemini content. > -- gemini://geminispace.info/search?freedos There is a search "button" in top where you can enter term you care about. Here I have given the term "Freedos" to search. Frankly, I did not switch as much as I would like to use Gemini. Maybe want to try an interactive adventure?: gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/acdw/vault-guard/ I really did not play much... just to mention that Gemini can have some interactivity. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
Thanks, Paul: I recently learn of the Gemini protocol. I apologise for slowness getting-around-to my e-Mail Inbox contents. Gemini is a group of technologies similar to the ones that lie behind your familiar web browser. Using Gemini, you can explore an online collection of written documents which can link to other written documents. I have installed amfora in a Ubuntu PC. And I briefly looked in the CAPCOM aggregator. But I feel lost! Please advise a newbie on browsing Gemini content. -- This iiNet address won't last! I have joined Exetel. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
Le Sat, 19 Aug 2023 04:52:05 -0400 Michał Dec a écrit > Hello Paul, > > You could've said "Gopher with TLS". Well, I did not known much Gopher (that seems to have come down in popularity at the end of the nineties). I think Gemini is about middle ground between Gopher and HTML. Gemini seems to be Unicode (rather than ASCII), have 3 text heading levels (seems Gopher had none), have list and preformated text regions (that Gopher have, did not have). The fact also that carrier returns are respected in gemini-text, make it much more easier to create/format than HTML (comparing to the web rather than Gopher here). Contrary to HTML also, no stuff in the middle of text: links, change to bold, etc. Only links on full lines. It is probably this simplified HTML, but not to the point of Gopher, that make it interesting today. About TLS, seems most capsules (term for Gemini sites I was searching for in my previous message) are using self-signed certificates. Meaning, you know that the author is the same as last time you visited (unsure how well the gemini clients handled certificates history)... just not sure it is really who he claims to be. (My knowledge about TLS is relatively limited). ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
Hello Paul, You could've said "Gopher with TLS". Best regards, Michał W dniu 19.08.2023 o 09:11, Paul Dufresne via Freedos-user pisze: I recently learn of the Gemini protocol. What is the Gemini protocol? "1.1.1 The dense, jargony answer for geeks in a hurry Gemini is an application-level client-server internet protocol for the distribution of arbitrary files, with some special consideration for serving a lightweight hypertext format which facilitates linking between hosted files. Both the protocol and the format are deliberately limited in capabilities and scope, and the protocol is technically conservative, being built on mature, standardised, familiar, "off-the-shelf" technologies like URIs, MIME media types and TLS. Simplicity and finite scope are very intentional design decisions motivated by placing a high priority on user autonomy, user privacy, ease of implementation in diverse computing environments, and defensive non-extensibility. In short, it is something like a radically stripped down web stack. See section 4 of this FAQ document for questions relating to the design of Gemini. 1.1.2 The gentler answer for everybody else Gemini is a group of technologies similar to the ones that lie behind your familiar web browser. Using Gemini, you can explore an online collection of written documents which can link to other written documents. The main difference is that Gemini approaches this task with a strong philosophy of "keep it simple" and "less is enough". " "1.5 What kind of timeless user experience? In a word, reading! Reading text with a simple, clear, uncluttered layout without any animation or embedded videos or sidebars full of distracting, unrelated extras. If you use the "Reader Mode" in your web browser a lot and you love it because you think that 99% of the time it makes webpages ten times easier to use by throwing out all the useless clutter and just giving you what you want, you'll probably be excited to hear that everything in Geminispace looks that way all the time by default. " "1.6 So it's just words, then? No pictures, no sound? Not quite. Like HTTP or Gopher, Gemini can serve any filetype at all, including images, audio, video and computer programs. There are tens of thousands of images in Geminispace, about five thousand PDF documents, and thousands of audio files! But the only thing that a Gemini document can do with those files is link to them. You can't embed images or videos inside a page, sticking them in the background or between bits of text. Nothing ever plays automatically. All you can do is say to your reader, "Hey, here's a link to a picture, or a video, or some music". It's up to them whether they click the link or not - in Geminispace, the reader is always in control, not the author. " I am writing this here, because I believe the low-resource needed to run a Gemini Browser is appropriate for FreeDOS. Well, I guess FreeDOS could allow for Gemini server too, but because it would be the only application running on FreeDOS, it is probably not much interesting. I think it could be interesting to consider doing a Gemini set of pages ... (they have a fancy name for that in Gemini community, but I don't find it now) for the FreeDOS project. And also consider porting one of the Gemini client to FreeDOS... there is a list on the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) Basically... this message is for considering this "new" technology inside FreeDOS project. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
On 19/08/2023 09:11, Paul Dufresne via Freedos-user wrote: I am writing this here, because I believe the low-resource needed to run a Gemini Browser is appropriate for FreeDOS. Gemini is an invention that shoehorns a gopher-like protocol into TLS. TLS is everything but "low ressource". For a low-power internet protocol there is the original Gopher. FreeDOS comes with at least one gopher client already: gopherus. Mateusz ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeDOS and the Gemini protocol
I recently learn of the Gemini protocol. What is the Gemini protocol? "1.1.1 The dense, jargony answer for geeks in a hurry Gemini is an application-level client-server internet protocol for the distribution of arbitrary files, with some special consideration for serving a lightweight hypertext format which facilitates linking between hosted files. Both the protocol and the format are deliberately limited in capabilities and scope, and the protocol is technically conservative, being built on mature, standardised, familiar, "off-the-shelf" technologies like URIs, MIME media types and TLS. Simplicity and finite scope are very intentional design decisions motivated by placing a high priority on user autonomy, user privacy, ease of implementation in diverse computing environments, and defensive non-extensibility. In short, it is something like a radically stripped down web stack. See section 4 of this FAQ document for questions relating to the design of Gemini. 1.1.2 The gentler answer for everybody else Gemini is a group of technologies similar to the ones that lie behind your familiar web browser. Using Gemini, you can explore an online collection of written documents which can link to other written documents. The main difference is that Gemini approaches this task with a strong philosophy of "keep it simple" and "less is enough". " "1.5 What kind of timeless user experience? In a word, reading! Reading text with a simple, clear, uncluttered layout without any animation or embedded videos or sidebars full of distracting, unrelated extras. If you use the "Reader Mode" in your web browser a lot and you love it because you think that 99% of the time it makes webpages ten times easier to use by throwing out all the useless clutter and just giving you what you want, you'll probably be excited to hear that everything in Geminispace looks that way all the time by default. " "1.6 So it's just words, then? No pictures, no sound? Not quite. Like HTTP or Gopher, Gemini can serve any filetype at all, including images, audio, video and computer programs. There are tens of thousands of images in Geminispace, about five thousand PDF documents, and thousands of audio files! But the only thing that a Gemini document can do with those files is link to them. You can't embed images or videos inside a page, sticking them in the background or between bits of text. Nothing ever plays automatically. All you can do is say to your reader, "Hey, here's a link to a picture, or a video, or some music". It's up to them whether they click the link or not - in Geminispace, the reader is always in control, not the author. " I am writing this here, because I believe the low-resource needed to run a Gemini Browser is appropriate for FreeDOS. Well, I guess FreeDOS could allow for Gemini server too, but because it would be the only application running on FreeDOS, it is probably not much interesting. I think it could be interesting to consider doing a Gemini set of pages ... (they have a fancy name for that in Gemini community, but I don't find it now) for the FreeDOS project. And also consider porting one of the Gemini client to FreeDOS... there is a list on the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) Basically... this message is for considering this "new" technology inside FreeDOS project.___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
