Re: [Freedos-user] Packet drivers...
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:45:15 -0700 From: plu...@robinson-west.com To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Freedos-user] Packet drivers... The free crynwr packet driver collection doesn't cover the Netgear FA311 10/100 baseTX network card. Have you tried these packet drivers? If your card has the National Semiconductor's DP83815 MacPhyter chipset: http://www.ti.com/product/dp83815 http://www.ti.com/litv/zip/sllc425 The readme for C83815.com shows a special release of a Crynwr packet driver. If your card has an RTL8139 chip: http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm This page contains RTSPKT for the Realtek RTL8139, which works on my HP Pavilion. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Packet drivers...
Thank you for the heads up on fdupdate. I have a Linux from scratch system that is Pentium III compatible, but that particular system doesn't have X. I suppose I can get the files for freedos onto my network somehow and then use LFS NFS root to get them onto the Pentium III where freedos can reach them. For that matter, I should be able to download the updates using Windows 2000. If only I had access to burnable cdrom media at the moment... Not being able to network freedos is advantageous sometimes, but when it comes to updating it is a real nuisance. I hate having to work around problems like this. I think syllable has a dos emulator... Syllable desktop tends to be lighter weight than Linux. Too bad Syllable desktop is still in Alpha. ReactOS is still in alpha as well. ReactOS could be the replacement for Windows where some dos/Windows games may be able to run at some point in ReactOS, maybe. Sadly, ReactOS hasn't even reached the 0.4 stage yet and development seems to be slowing down. Syllable despite being in alpha is an awesome OS, but without word processing and due to the fact that webster is a very limited web browser, Syllable is not a very useful system yet. Syllable is by far more stable than ReactOS. On old computers, having to worry about Windows and/or Dos licenses is a real nuisance. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Packet drivers...
There is also David dunefield's PKTDRV http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/index.htm which has dozens if not hundreds of drivers. -L On Thursday, October 17, 2013, NA wrote: Thank you for the heads up on fdupdate. I have a Linux from scratch system that is Pentium III compatible, but that particular system doesn't have X. I suppose I can get the files for freedos onto my network somehow and then use LFS NFS root to get them onto the Pentium III where freedos can reach them. For that matter, I should be able to download the updates using Windows 2000. If only I had access to burnable cdrom media at the moment... Not being able to network freedos is advantageous sometimes, but when it comes to updating it is a real nuisance. I hate having to work around problems like this. I think syllable has a dos emulator... Syllable desktop tends to be lighter weight than Linux. Too bad Syllable desktop is still in Alpha. ReactOS is still in alpha as well. ReactOS could be the replacement for Windows where some dos/Windows games may be able to run at some point in ReactOS, maybe. Sadly, ReactOS hasn't even reached the 0.4 stage yet and development seems to be slowing down. Syllable despite being in alpha is an awesome OS, but without word processing and due to the fact that webster is a very limited web browser, Syllable is not a very useful system yet. Syllable is by far more stable than ReactOS. On old computers, having to worry about Windows and/or Dos licenses is a real nuisance. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Packet drivers...
Hi, On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:47 AM, NA plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: Thank you for the heads up on fdupdate. I have a Linux from scratch system that is Pentium III compatible, but that particular system doesn't have X. Wget? Curl? Ftp? Lynx? Links? Elinks? W3m? I suppose I can get the files for freedos onto my network somehow and then use LFS NFS root to get them onto the Pentium III where freedos can reach them. For that matter, I should be able to download the updates using Windows 2000. Ever tried the (fake, XP-ish) SwsVPkt? If only I had access to burnable cdrom media at the moment... No USB drive? Ever tried RUFUS? Not being able to network freedos is advantageous sometimes, but when it comes to updating it is a real nuisance. Well, dare I say it, it's basically stable already ... except for some very minor nits. The BASE probably? doesn't need many fixes. I hate having to work around problems like this. Unavoidable. On old computers, having to worry about Windows and/or Dos licenses is a real nuisance. If only that were our only problem! -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Packet drivers...
The free crynwr packet driver collection doesn't cover the Netgear FA311 10/100 baseTX network card. Uge! I've been google searching and have found BartPE, but that is a Windows 98 boot disk. I suppose some people like freedos's spotty support for modern network cards, but then how does one update freedos without networking??? Why not an on top of freedos minimal Linux system that you load using say loadlin for the sole purpose of running fdupdate? This linux system can drop back to freedos when it is done. This gets around having to support network cards in freedos for which there isn't any support. Another option is to revive freedos32 and possibly design it so that Linux packet drivers or Windows packet drivers can be used. Yet a third option, install freedos from a minimal bare bones Linux system that supports common network cards which can be extended to support other cards and provide instructions on how to add drivers to the iso image prior to burning it. A fourth solution is to get open source developers to produce dos drivers for modern network cards that came into existence after Microsoft dropped dos support. Without a dos packet driver that works with your network card, forget using Norton Ghost. Syllable seems to have better network card support than freedos does where syllable isn't: Dos based, Windows based, or Linux based. How is that even possible? Too bad there isn't a universal packet driver specification where the high level logic is one piece and the low level runtime is another piece that can be tailored to the OS. Done right, this approach should ease porting network cards to different operating systems that support the specification. The high level piece should provide a specific interface I suppose that can be operated from a single OS specific part. My idea is, write one low level piece and support many high level card specific components using it. For this to work, the drivers need to be open source and care should be taken to allow some flexibility in how the high level piece is compiled on different OSes. I hope packet driver support improves in freedos in the future or perhaps fdupdate should be redesigned for non network use. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Packet drivers...
Hi, On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:45 AM, NA plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: The free crynwr packet driver collection doesn't cover the Netgear FA311 10/100 baseTX network card. Blame Netgear. (It's their decision, not ours.) Uge! I've been google searching and have found BartPE, but that is a Windows 98 boot disk. I suppose some people like freedos's spotty support for modern network cards, but then how does one update freedos without networking??? It is my understanding (though I've not personally tested it) that Mateusz created an .iso that can be locally installed (without networking) via FDNPKG. Why not an on top of freedos minimal Linux system that you load using say loadlin for the sole purpose of running fdupdate? This linux system can drop back to freedos when it is done. This gets around having to support network cards in freedos for which there isn't any support. That's what most people already do, just use another host OS to download and manually transport the files. However, if I may make a generalization (though I've not personally tested 300+ distributions) ... there are not many (if any) true minimal distros anymore. Everything for desktop use usually assumes X11, and you're unlikely to even find most kernels for less than i686 and 128 MB RAM. (Feel free to make your own via Linux From Scratch!) You can boot an .iso via DOS using GRUB whatever or Gujin, e.g. PuppyLinux (may have to copy kernel + initrd to host FAT first). Maybe FreeBSD would work as well (though IIRC no [current] DOSEMU available there). The bootonly .iso is only 150 MB or so, and it has lower requirements (probably due to no X11 installed by default): 64 MB, i486 (I think). Another option is to revive freedos32 and possibly design it so that Linux packet drivers or Windows packet drivers can be used. Yet a third option, install freedos from a minimal bare bones Linux system that supports common network cards which can be extended to support other cards and provide instructions on how to add drivers to the iso image prior to burning it. A fourth solution is to get open source developers to produce dos drivers for modern network cards that came into existence after Microsoft dropped dos support. Portable drivers (across x86 OSes) are not impossible. It's been done, but most developers don't bother. I don't know why. Without a dos packet driver that works with your network card, forget using Norton Ghost. Dunno, but they probably (like most) don't develop a DOS version anymore, so it's moot. I would be happy to know they still kept the old DOS version around somewhere, but I'm skeptical about even that! Syllable seems to have better network card support than freedos does where syllable isn't: Dos based, Windows based, or Linux based. How is that even possible? Most of them (e.g. Haiku, FreeBSD) have sponsors or similar funding. Though they also have less legacy stigma to suffer, as well. Too bad there isn't a universal packet driver specification where the high level logic is one piece and the low level runtime is another piece that can be tailored to the OS. Done right, this approach should ease porting network cards to different operating systems that support the specification. The high level piece should provide a specific interface I suppose that can be operated from a single OS specific part. My idea is, write one low level piece and support many high level card specific components using it. For this to work, the drivers need to be open source and care should be taken to allow some flexibility in how the high level piece is compiled on different OSes. Portability is not easy, even for those few who care. It's hard to design (and maintain) something for all targets without any problems. Even if DOS were popular and had lots of volunteers and funding, it still wouldn't be easy. I hope packet driver support improves in freedos in the future or perhaps fdupdate should be redesigned for non network use. I misread this the first time. You explicitly say *non* network use. Like I said, I'm pretty sure that FDNPKG (the official successor to FDUPDATE) is offline aware / friendly. http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Fdupdate Warning: FDUPDATE is obsolete as of september 2012. It has been replaced by its successor: FDNPKG. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Packet drivers/Automatic setup
Hi. I am requesting that everyone with a little spare time and a PCI network card that works with a clearly redistributable packet driver (in the licence, like a crynwr packet driver), to email me their PCIsleep output and either tell me what driver it works with if it is in the crynwr packet driver collection, or e-mail me the driver if it is not, but it is clearly redistributable according to its licence. This will help me to add netcard autosetup to my FreeDOS installation CD, and may make it easier for users to set up their DOS on the internet. Thanks, Blair Campbell --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
