Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-05-06 Thread Rugxulo 
From: Rugxulo 

Hi,

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Ercan Ersoy  wrote:
>
> I tried using my USB mass storage on Virtualbox 5.0.36.

You mean "pass-through" or whatever, using native hardware under VM?
Doubt VBox supports that for DOS guests (since they don't have any
guest additions for DOS, last I heard).

> I using
> USBASPI.SYS and USBDOS programs. But, I don't use my mass storage.

USBASPI? That doesn't come with FreeDOS, AFAIK, hence it's probably
not supported nor recommended (and won't work).

> How can I using my mass storage on FreeDOS?

I'm not sure if you can. Half-jokingly, you should maybe try this:

http://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-11.0/zipslack/

Better than nothing?  ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-05-06 Thread Ercan Ersoy 
From: Ercan Ersoy 

Thanks for replying.

After this, I won't use USBASPI on FreeDOS.

How can I use a USB mass storage that is formatted FAT16 or FAT32 on
FreeDOS with USBDOS?

Best regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-05-06 Thread Thomas Mueller 
From: "Thomas Mueller" 

On USBASPI and USBDOS, I had zero luck.

But on a newer computer where USB drives are recognized by BIOS or UEFI,
FreeDOS can boot from USB stick.

Also, FreeDOS can access any USB stick with FAT32 if present at boot time.

FreeDOS did not recognize a USB stick inserted after FreeDOS was already
active.

FreeDOS was not able to access any USB stick with Linux or BSD file system, no
drive letter.

Drive letters look strange and feel clumsy to me after spending almost all my
computer time with OSes (Linux, BSD, Haiku) that don't use DOS-style drive
letters.


Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-05-06 Thread Thomas Mueller 
From: "Thomas Mueller" 

> Thanks for replying.

> After this, I won't use USBASPI on FreeDOS.

> How can I use a USB mass storage that is formatted FAT16 or FAT32 on
> FreeDOS with USBDOS?

> Best regards,
> Ercan

If your BIOS or UEFI recognizes USB mass storage, then FreeDOS should recognize
it if it is in place at boot time.

I don't think FreeDOS can recognize a USB stick inserted after FreeDOS boots
and is active, but I could be wrong in the case of USBDOS.

FAT16 is very inefficient regarding cluster size, so on a USB stick, even if
only 1 GB, you do better with FAT32.

With FAT16, if file system is between 1 GB and 2 GB, cluster size is 32 KB,
meaning this is the amount of space taken by a very small file.

One way you can test diskspace use is to see (with DIR) how much space you
have, and then run something like
ECHO ababcdcdefefgg > JUNK1.TXT
and then run DIR and see how much diskspace you have after that.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-05-06 Thread Ercan Ersoy 
From: Ercan Ersoy 

> If your BIOS or UEFI recognizes USB mass storage, then FreeDOS should
recognize
> it if it is in place at boot time.
>
> I don't think FreeDOS can recognize a USB stick inserted after FreeDOS boots
> and is active, but I could be wrong in the case of USBDOS.
>
> FAT16 is very inefficient regarding cluster size, so on a USB stick, even if
> only 1 GB, you do better with FAT32.
>
> With FAT16, if file system is between 1 GB and 2 GB, cluster size is 32 KB,
> meaning this is the amount of space taken by a very small file.
>
> One way you can test diskspace use is to see (with DIR) how much space you
> have, and then run something like
> ECHO ababcdcdefefgg > JUNK1.TXT
> and then run DIR and see how much diskspace you have after that.
>
> Tom
Before boot, I insert my mass storage to VirtualBox USB inferance. But,
FreeDOS doesn't mount the mass storage with USBDOS. USBUHCI.COM doesn't
recognize the mass storage.

I tried USBASPI.SYS on FreeDOS again. But, USBASPI.SYS doesn't work.

Best regards,
Ercan
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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-05-06 Thread Eric Auer 
From: Eric Auer 


Hi Ercan,

> After this, I won't use USBASPI on FreeDOS.
>
> How can I use a USB mass storage that is formatted
> FAT16 or FAT32 on FreeDOS with USBDOS?

as Thomas wrote: If you boot from USB drive or if the
USB drive is already plugged in at boot time, the BIOS
will often support it directly (if modern enough and if
for example legacy support is enabled in the BIOS setup)
so you will not even need drivers. Of course only FAT16
and FAT32 will work, not NTFS or EXFAT sticks. You can
assume that only newer / larger sticks use the latter,
or use Windows or Linux to re-format them to FAT16/32.

Cheers, Eric


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[Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-05-06 Thread Ercan Ersoy 
From: Ercan Ersoy 

Hello,

I tried using my USB mass storage on Virtualbox 5.0.36. I using
USBASPI.SYS and USBDOS programs. But, I don't use my mass storage.

How can I using my mass storage on FreeDOS?

Thanks and best regards,
Ercan
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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-04-27 Thread Ercan Ersoy 
> If your BIOS or UEFI recognizes USB mass storage, then FreeDOS should 
> recognize
> it if it is in place at boot time.
>
> I don't think FreeDOS can recognize a USB stick inserted after FreeDOS boots
> and is active, but I could be wrong in the case of USBDOS.
>
> FAT16 is very inefficient regarding cluster size, so on a USB stick, even if
> only 1 GB, you do better with FAT32.
>
> With FAT16, if file system is between 1 GB and 2 GB, cluster size is 32 KB,
> meaning this is the amount of space taken by a very small file.
>
> One way you can test diskspace use is to see (with DIR) how much space you
> have, and then run something like
> ECHO ababcdcdefefgg > JUNK1.TXT
> and then run DIR and see how much diskspace you have after that.
>
> Tom
Before boot, I insert my mass storage to VirtualBox USB inferance. But, 
FreeDOS doesn't mount the mass storage with USBDOS. USBUHCI.COM doesn't 
recognize the mass storage.

I tried USBASPI.SYS on FreeDOS again. But, USBASPI.SYS doesn't work.

Best regards,
Ercan
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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-04-27 Thread Thomas Mueller 
> Thanks for replying.

> After this, I won't use USBASPI on FreeDOS.

> How can I use a USB mass storage that is formatted FAT16 or FAT32 on
> FreeDOS with USBDOS?

> Best regards,
> Ercan

If your BIOS or UEFI recognizes USB mass storage, then FreeDOS should recognize 
it if it is in place at boot time.

I don't think FreeDOS can recognize a USB stick inserted after FreeDOS boots 
and is active, but I could be wrong in the case of USBDOS.

FAT16 is very inefficient regarding cluster size, so on a USB stick, even if 
only 1 GB, you do better with FAT32.

With FAT16, if file system is between 1 GB and 2 GB, cluster size is 32 KB, 
meaning this is the amount of space taken by a very small file.

One way you can test diskspace use is to see (with DIR) how much space you 
have, and then run something like
ECHO ababcdcdefefgg > JUNK1.TXT
and then run DIR and see how much diskspace you have after that.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-04-27 Thread Eric Auer 

Hi Ercan,

> After this, I won't use USBASPI on FreeDOS.
> 
> How can I use a USB mass storage that is formatted
> FAT16 or FAT32 on FreeDOS with USBDOS?

...as Thomas wrote: If you boot from USB drive or if the
USB drive is already plugged in at boot time, the BIOS
will often support it directly (if modern enough and if
for example legacy support is enabled in the BIOS setup)
so you will not even need drivers. Of course only FAT16
and FAT32 will work, not NTFS or EXFAT sticks. You can
assume that only newer / larger sticks use the latter,
or use Windows or Linux to re-format them to FAT16/32.

Cheers, Eric


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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-04-27 Thread Ercan Ersoy 
Thanks for replying.

After this, I won't use USBASPI on FreeDOS.

How can I use a USB mass storage that is formatted FAT16 or FAT32 on 
FreeDOS with USBDOS?

Best regards,
Ercan
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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-04-26 Thread Thomas Mueller 
On USBASPI and USBDOS, I had zero luck.

But on a newer computer where USB drives are recognized by BIOS or UEFI, 
FreeDOS can boot from USB stick.

Also, FreeDOS can access any USB stick with FAT32 if present at boot time.

FreeDOS did not recognize a USB stick inserted after FreeDOS was already active.

FreeDOS was not able to access any USB stick with Linux or BSD file system, no 
drive letter.

Drive letters look strange and feel clumsy to me after spending almost all my 
computer time with OSes (Linux, BSD, Haiku) that don't use DOS-style drive 
letters.


Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-04-26 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Ercan Ersoy  wrote:
>
> I tried using my USB mass storage on Virtualbox 5.0.36.

You mean "pass-through" or whatever, using native hardware under VM?
Doubt VBox supports that for DOS guests (since they don't have any
guest additions for DOS, last I heard).

> I using
> USBASPI.SYS and USBDOS programs. But, I don't use my mass storage.

USBASPI? That doesn't come with FreeDOS, AFAIK, hence it's probably
not supported nor recommended (and won't work).

> How can I using my mass storage on FreeDOS?

I'm not sure if you can. Half-jokingly, you should maybe try this:

http://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-11.0/zipslack/

Better than nothing?  ;-)

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[Freedos-user] Using USB Mass Storage on FreeDOS

2017-04-26 Thread Ercan Ersoy 
Hello,

I tried using my USB mass storage on Virtualbox 5.0.36. I using 
USBASPI.SYS and USBDOS programs. But, I don't use my mass storage.

How can I using my mass storage on FreeDOS?

Thanks and best regards,
Ercan
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