Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution
Hi, On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 10/31/2014 12:01 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >> >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Ralf Quint wrote: >>> On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote: Looking at: http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/ There are a lot of files. >> >> Old files, probably not even latest versions. (That was always my >> complaint about Simtel and other sites, too hard to help them update >> the files.) > > It's Tex for DOS for crying out loud! What do you expect? I meant old (not latest) even for TeX, even for DOS. If I remember correctly, Simtel had a policy of making it hard for anyone outside of the author to update anything. So a lot of stuff had old versions on Simtel and newer versions elsewhere. >> Yeah, too many little pieces, hard for the novice (such as myself) to >> "jump in". It's supposed to be fairly powerful, but I don't think my >> need is strong enough to learn much of it. Maybe it is for you since >> you do more writing than I do. > > I don't use Tex, never really got into after looking into it when > working at a CAD/CAM software manufacture back in the '90s and > evaluating it's use for our software documentation. Corel Draw and > PageMaker turned out to be a more effective solution for more people > being able to collaborate without having to spend a long time to become > proficient in using Tex. > Tex is complex, nothing for a novice, with very few tools coming even > close to what you do these days with real WYSIWYG tools. If you'd rather use latest MS Office or similar, then go ahead. Those kinds of things are made for an entirely different domain. >> Anyways, let me again point you to a DJGPP mirror. While I haven't >> heard any chatter in recent years of anybody using it, presumably it >> was quite a good port back in the day. >> >> http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2apps/tex/ >> > Pretty much same amount of files, of comparable age. 1995 vs. 2000. But I highly suspect the DJGPP build is of much better quality and stability. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution
On 10/31/2014 12:01 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, sorry for late reply, > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Ralf Quint wrote: >> On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote: >>> Looking at: >>> >>> http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/ >>> >>> There are a lot of files. > Old files, probably not even latest versions. (That was always my > complaint about Simtel and other sites, too hard to help them update > the files.) It's Tex for DOS for crying out loud! What do you expect? > > Yeah, too many little pieces, hard for the novice (such as myself) to > "jump in". It's supposed to be fairly powerful, but I don't think my > need is strong enough to learn much of it. Maybe it is for you since > you do more writing than I do. I don't use Tex, never really got into after looking into it when working at a CAD/CAM software manufacture back in the '90s and evaluating it's use for our software documentation. Corel Draw and PageMaker turned out to be a more effective solution for more people being able to collaborate without having to spend a long time to become proficient in using Tex. Tex is complex, nothing for a novice, with very few tools coming even close to what you do these days with real WYSIWYG tools. > Anyways, let me again point you to a DJGPP mirror. While I haven't > heard any chatter in recent years of anybody using it, presumably it > was quite a good port back in the day. > > http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2apps/tex/ > Pretty much same amount of files, of comparable age. Ralf --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution
Hi, sorry for late reply, On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote: >> Looking at: >> >> http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/ >> >> There are a lot of files. Old files, probably not even latest versions. (That was always my complaint about Simtel and other sites, too hard to help them update the files.) Yeah, too many little pieces, hard for the novice (such as myself) to "jump in". It's supposed to be fairly powerful, but I don't think my need is strong enough to learn much of it. Maybe it is for you since you do more writing than I do. Anyways, let me again point you to a DJGPP mirror. While I haven't heard any chatter in recent years of anybody using it, presumably it was quite a good port back in the day. http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2apps/tex/ If desperate, you could probably email Eli Z. directly (or presumably better to just start a new thread on news://comp.os.msdos.djgpp called "TeX users??" or similar). If I wasn't so pessimistic and busy with other things, I'd probably start such a topic myself. But even most of them seem inactive lately, sadly. >> Is this a Tex distribution or just some spre utils? >> >> Where to look for Tex for DOS ? >> > Or here > http://www.nomdo.dds.nl/tex.htm Okay, I finally downloaded this. It definitely sounds interesting, but I haven't tried it. Not sure why it prefers "emtex", which is presumably (technically) inferior to the DJGPP built version. Honestly, this would probably be nice to mirror to iBiblio for us, but I don't have enough energy to try to root around and find literally all sources and make sure it's complete. Maybe if I was familiar with TeX, but I'm not. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of current DOS users use TeX at all. In recent years, the only reason I even know about TeX is because I did some light Pascal programming. In case it isn't obvious, TeX was originally written in Pascal. (EDIT: Sorry, TeX was written in WEB, which was Pascal and TeX intermixed. IIRC, same situation with MetaFont and MetaPost.) Though I guess most people prefer CWEB these days. There's even one guy (Wolfgang Helbig) who has several times over the years gotten it to work with the (now abandoned) GNU Pascal Compiler (GPC). A quick check shows that he updated it again in July 2014, so that's good! While I'm not really enthused enough to torture myself trying to get it working in FreeDOS, it's probably not the worst idea either. I've done crazier things! :-)He does say "comments welcome", but I don't personally want to bother him since I know next to nothing. IIRC, most of his focus in recent years was NetBSD and later OS X. http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/tex-gpc -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution
On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote: > Looking at: > > http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/ > > There are a lot of files. > > Is this a Tex distribution or just some spre utils? > > Where to look for Tex for DOS ? > Or here http://www.nomdo.dds.nl/tex.htm --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution
On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote: > Looking at: > > http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/ > > There are a lot of files. > > Is this a Tex distribution or just some spre utils? > > Where to look for Tex for DOS ? > Not quite sure what you expect or if you already checked out what Tex actually is, but you might want to try http://www.tex.ac.uk/ctan/systems/msdos/ Ralf --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution
Looking at: http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/ There are a lot of files. Is this a Tex distribution or just some spre utils? Where to look for Tex for DOS ? -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user