Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
Hi :-) > So, roughly speaking, the main (bootable) disk would be: > > KERNEL, FreeCOM, XMGR, JEMMEX, UIDE, CTMOUSE, DOSLFN, UNZIP16, > 7ZDECODE, EDIT, SYS, FDISK, FORMAT, DISKCOPY, FDXMS286, HDPMI16, > CWSDPMI, DOS32A, CWSTUB, XCOPY, SHCDX33F, RDISK, That is at least a reasonable set of drivers :-) I do miss FDAPM in the list (note to Aitor: Please fix the regression bug which breaks idling in EDIT, it worked in 0.7 EDITs) and think I would not need CWSTUB / 7ZDECODE, maybe also not HDPMI / DOS32A, maybe add an UNTGZ or UNTAR/GZIP/BZIP2? > I know you and Eric prefer "BASE" plus some stuff from "UTIL" It takes only 2 floppies to have ALL base with most extra files. Depending on how much extra, you zip/drop some docs. You could have all base binaries on 1 floppy, but too bare. So as in my old Brezel distro, 3 disks fit base+docs+extra. Regards, Eric -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
Hi, On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM, nospam wrote: > >> Rugxulo has made a single floppy FreeDOS image called BARE_DOS that works >> well: >> https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/ >> >> Georg > > FYI: I've also mirrored Rugxulo's BARE_DOS to > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/bare_dos/ Not sure why, esp. this much later, heh, but it's useful, I suppose. (But like all things, it too could use an update, argh. And sources could've been easier to grab, e.g. bundled, but that was back when I was very disorganized. Yet another distraction. It had a list of URLs, and 99% should be easy to find, but it's less than ideal, I admit.) > I don't use a floppy drive anymore, so I can't say how well this > works. Georg thinks it works well. I have a USB floppy drive, but I haven't used it lately. I dunno, seems pointless, very few care. Even if I bothered, honestly things change too fast. It's just easier to update things upstream or provide patches and let people "roll their own" than trying to update binary images ten bazillion times. > If others think this is a good > FreeDOS floppy "mini-distro", I'll link to it from the Downloads page > on www.freedos.org. Like I told Eric, the best way would be to make the smallest, most useful boot disk possible with minimal dependencies and hopefully very few things would become outdated. Then make everything else plain .ZIPs that can be unzipped manually if someone wants more than bare minimum. So, roughly speaking, the main (bootable) disk would be: KERNEL, FreeCOM, XMGR, JEMMEX, UIDE, CTMOUSE, DOSLFN, UNZIP16, 7ZDECODE, EDIT, SYS, FDISK, FORMAT, DISKCOPY, FDXMS286, HDPMI16, CWSDPMI, DOS32A, CWSTUB, XCOPY, SHCDX33F, RDISK, I know you and Eric prefer "BASE" plus some stuff from "UTIL", so maybe that's more comprehensive. But I can't remember everything, so I don't know what that would omit or how big it would be. But surely something like KERNEL + COMMAND.COM is way too minimal. It should at least be able to install to hard disk and copy its own disk. It's just honestly a lot to think about. Maybe I'm overthinking it, maybe I need to build QEMU for my Linux machine for testing (or use one of the Win32 alpha builds I've seen online) for easier updating. It's just somewhat exhausting, heh, esp. for someone like me who always starts too many minor projects.;-) -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 17:22 -0500, Jim Hall wrote: The boot image I found didn't have CDROM drivers, but added them. I could just make an ISO of the floppies I ended up making, if you like. Rich... > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM, nospam wrote: > > Rugxulo has made a single floppy FreeDOS image called BARE_DOS that works > > well: > > https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/ > > > > Georg > > > FYI: I've also mirrored Rugxulo's BARE_DOS to > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/bare_dos/ > > I don't use a floppy drive anymore, so I can't say how well this > works. Georg thinks it works well. If others think this is a good > FreeDOS floppy "mini-distro", I'll link to it from the Downloads page > on www.freedos.org. > > -jh > > -- > How fast is your code? > 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. > Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? > http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM, nospam wrote: > Rugxulo has made a single floppy FreeDOS image called BARE_DOS that works > well: > https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/ > > Georg FYI: I've also mirrored Rugxulo's BARE_DOS to http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/bare_dos/ I don't use a floppy drive anymore, so I can't say how well this works. Georg thinks it works well. If others think this is a good FreeDOS floppy "mini-distro", I'll link to it from the Downloads page on www.freedos.org. -jh -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
Rugxulo has made a single floppy FreeDOS image called BARE_DOS that works well: https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/ Georg -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 23:59 +, "Jose Antonio Senna" wrote: > > While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for > >older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to > >make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see > >any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no > >OS currently on it. > > How are you going to write the image(s) to a floppy ? > > Regards > JAS I have several friends with USB 3.5 inch drives. So they will make me a Floppy and mail it to me. So weird that I have to use Snail Mail to get a way to boot my old pentium machine! BTW, I think these images will do: http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/ Rich... -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
Ricardus Vincente said: > While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for >older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to >make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see >any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no >OS currently on it. How are you going to write the image(s) to a floppy ? Regards JAS -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
not sure if it helps but I made this bootdisk a while back; http://spfiles.no-ip.org/dos_bootdisk.img I use this with an emulator called PCE which emulates an old 8086 based PC. ljones On 9/16/12, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 01:46 PM 9/16/2012, Ricardus Vincente wrote: >>On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 22:39 +0200, Eric Auer wrote: >> >> Thanks! >> >> Wow. I imagined that it would be a little easier than this. >> >> While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for >>older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to >>make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see >>any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no >>OS currently on it. > > Just hang in there, not all people are just ignoring problems like this... > > Ralf > > > -- > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? > http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- :) SP -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
At 01:46 PM 9/16/2012, Ricardus Vincente wrote: >On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 22:39 +0200, Eric Auer wrote: > > Thanks! > > Wow. I imagined that it would be a little easier than this. > > While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for >older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to >make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see >any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no >OS currently on it. Just hang in there, not all people are just ignoring problems like this... Ralf -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 22:39 +0200, Eric Auer wrote: Thanks! Wow. I imagined that it would be a little easier than this. While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no OS currently on it. Rich... > Hi Ricardus, > > Am 16.09.2012 21:56, schrieb Ricardus Vincente: > > I have looked around the FreeDOS web page and can't find them. I am > > looking to resurrect an old Zeos Pentium 90 that I have, but it won't > > boot from CD (its not a BIOS option), and it has no OS on it right now, > > so I am going to need to boot it from 3.5 floppy. > > > > Are there any official IMG files that I can create a boot floppy from? > > While it is not official, I really like the idea of > Rugxulo's RUFFIDEA distro. It packs most BASE programs > > as listed here www.freedos.org/software/?cat=base and > dozens of other small, free, often open source, goodies > on just three floppy disks. The sources are on separate > downloads which are significantly larger, ca 5-8 MB for > each floppy image. Not totally up to date, Rugxulo will > be happy to post his wish-list, but definitely one of > the best things you can do with 3 floppies! :-) Maybe > somebody wants to help updating it? > > https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/ > > The page also has a minimal one floppy boot floppy, in > style of the old (former?) fdos.org daily build disks. > > >From my own experience, the OLD FreeDOS 1.0 "Brezel" > floppy distro experiment, two disks is an appropriate > amount of space for all BASE binaries, basic docs as > the HTMLHELP (which works even while zipped) and some > small pile of other goodies. The third disk of Brezel > was just a big zip with the doc/ directory wrapped up. > As a German-friendly distro, Brezel also contained a > German HTMLHELP and FreeCOM and localization things. > > If you were to omit all text files and maybe drop a > few lesser-used apps, you CAN manage with one floppy > of running FreeDOS where MS DOS took 3 install disks > and probably more when you installed to floppies :-) > > But as said, between two and four disks of FreeDOS > are just so much more fun than doing with just one. > > Best, Eric :-) > > > > -- > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? > http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
Hi Ricardus, Am 16.09.2012 21:56, schrieb Ricardus Vincente: > I have looked around the FreeDOS web page and can't find them. I am > looking to resurrect an old Zeos Pentium 90 that I have, but it won't > boot from CD (its not a BIOS option), and it has no OS on it right now, > so I am going to need to boot it from 3.5 floppy. > > Are there any official IMG files that I can create a boot floppy from? While it is not official, I really like the idea of Rugxulo's RUFFIDEA distro. It packs most BASE programs as listed here www.freedos.org/software/?cat=base and dozens of other small, free, often open source, goodies on just three floppy disks. The sources are on separate downloads which are significantly larger, ca 5-8 MB for each floppy image. Not totally up to date, Rugxulo will be happy to post his wish-list, but definitely one of the best things you can do with 3 floppies! :-) Maybe somebody wants to help updating it? https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/ The page also has a minimal one floppy boot floppy, in style of the old (former?) fdos.org daily build disks. >From my own experience, the OLD FreeDOS 1.0 "Brezel" floppy distro experiment, two disks is an appropriate amount of space for all BASE binaries, basic docs as the HTMLHELP (which works even while zipped) and some small pile of other goodies. The third disk of Brezel was just a big zip with the doc/ directory wrapped up. As a German-friendly distro, Brezel also contained a German HTMLHELP and FreeCOM and localization things. If you were to omit all text files and maybe drop a few lesser-used apps, you CAN manage with one floppy of running FreeDOS where MS DOS took 3 install disks and probably more when you installed to floppies :-) But as said, between two and four disks of FreeDOS are just so much more fun than doing with just one. Best, Eric :-) -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
Hi,
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ricardus Vincente
wrote:
>
> I have looked around the FreeDOS web page and can't find them. I am
> looking to resurrect an old Zeos Pentium 90 that I have, but it won't
> boot from CD (its not a BIOS option), and it has no OS on it right now,
> so I am going to need to boot it from 3.5 floppy.
>
> Are there any official IMG files that I can create a boot floppy from?
No official floppy images, no, mostly because nobody uses them anymore. :-(
You can probably? use something like Smart Boot Manager to boot from
CD, even if your BIOS doesn't support it, but I've not tried.
http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/pkgs/smbtmgrx.zip
Alternately, you can find any old DOS boot floppy, create a very
minimal install, then copy the .ISO (split up, of course) on other
floppies, then recombine it and mount it via SHSUCDHD. Then you could
presumably install from there. Probably easier to grab if you have
working network card (NIC) and packet driver (Crynwr).
P.S. You could try older floppy images of ODIN ("one disk installer")
or similar, but these may be somewhat old and outdated (but better
than nothing, I suppose):
http://odin.fdos.org/
http://www.finnix.org/Balder
https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/BARE_DOS.ZIP?attredirects=0
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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files
On 2012-09-16 15:56 (GMT-0400) Ricardus Vincente composed: > I have looked around the FreeDOS web page and can't find them. I am > looking to resurrect an old Zeos Pentium 90 that I have, but it won't > boot from CD (its not a BIOS option), and it has no OS on it right now, > so I am going to need to boot it from 3.5 floppy. > Are there any official IMG files that I can create a boot floppy from? The installation CD has a menu option to create a boot floppy that should work from a computer with working OM and floppy devices. The only machine I tried it on (core2duo) gave floppy drive failure messages every time, but succeeded in making a bootable floppy after booting freshly installed FreeDOS 1.1. Maybe it would work for you. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
