Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Larry]

I don't know what exactly you need W95 for, but I've
switched to Linux (Debian) to get away from all that
license hullaballu. For compensation, I get thousands
of applications, programming languages, etc.

Freedos runs very well in a dosemu window of Linux.

I suspect you all know that already, and if so I
apologize for commenting.

--- Giorgos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> O/H [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> έγραψε:
> > My BIOS allow to boot from cdrom.
> 
> > But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...
> > 
> 
> Why don't you just installing from a bootable win95
> cd?
> There is no chance to get a replacement cd, but you
> can grab a copy from 
> around the net.
> 
> I've heard that it is legal (since you own a legit
> copy) for you to do 
> it, and you can use even your own s/n.
> I've also read, that it is legal for every win
> customer to own previous 
> version of windows.
> 
> OK! I'm not a lawyer, so I can't guarantee that.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Giorgos]

O/H [EMAIL PROTECTED] έγραψε:
> My BIOS allow to boot from cdrom.

> But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...
> 

Why don't you just installing from a bootable win95 cd?
There is no chance to get a replacement cd, but you can grab a copy from 
around the net.

I've heard that it is legal (since you own a legit copy) for you to do 
it, and you can use even your own s/n.
I've also read, that it is legal for every win customer to own previous 
version of windows.

OK! I'm not a lawyer, so I can't guarantee that.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

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 -- Original message --
From: "Robert Riebisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Michael Reichenbach wrote:
> 
> > He said he has no floppy anymore. So this is a bit more complicated.
> 
> Where exactly? I only see "without owning DOS on floppies", which is
> something completely different.
> 
> Nevertheless he could buy (or borrow) a USB floppy drive. I prefer NEC here.
> 
> Robert Riebisch
> -- 

If the lack of a floppy disk is the only issue, it is easy to create a bootable 
CD
from a floppy disk image.  Most BIOS's will boot a CD.  Doing this doesn't 
require
a CD ROM driver.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Godefroid Chapelle]

Robert Riebisch wrote:
> Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> 
>> But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...
> 
> Just get the appropriate boot disk from 
> or .

Thanks for the info.

> Easy to find via Google...

I inferred wrongly that Win95 was not available as bootable disk and did 
not even think of searching for it :-S

> 
> Robert Riebisch


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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Robert Riebisch]

Michael Reichenbach wrote:

> He said he has no floppy anymore. So this is a bit more complicated.

Where exactly? I only see "without owning DOS on floppies", which is
something completely different.

Nevertheless he could buy (or borrow) a USB floppy drive. I prefer NEC here.

Robert Riebisch
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Michael Reichenbach]

Robert Riebisch schrieb:
> Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> 
>> But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...
> 
> Just get the appropriate boot disk from 
> or . Easy to find via Google...
> 
> Robert Riebisch

He said he has no floppy anymore. So this is a bit more complicated.

-mr

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Robert Riebisch]

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:

> But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...

Just get the appropriate boot disk from 
or . Easy to find via Google...

Robert Riebisch
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Godefroid Chapelle]

Eric Auer wrote:
> Hi!
> 
>>> Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.
> 
> Well there are 2 ways of "support": Win9x includes
> MS DOS 7 so you should only RUN it in MS DOS 7...
> 
> But you can start the INSTALLERS of various Windows
> versions from within other DOS :-). I think what you
> are trying to do is boot DOS from diskette because
> your BIOS cannot boot from cdrom directly? 

My BIOS allow to boot from cdrom.

But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...

> In that
> case you can use a grub4dos or btmgr (smart boot
> manager) boot diskette which boots your cdrom for
> you. Or you can use a FreeDOS boot diskette to run
> the setup program of Win9x, but then you will have
> to take care to use a suitable configuration.
> 

This is what I am trying to do.

> For example loading only HIMEM but no EMM386 would be
> a suggestion, and loading only a minimum collection
> of other drivers.

Do you mean HIMEM.EXE ?

It seems win95 does not think it is compatible.

> Try whether loading or not loading
> SHARE works better.

Being a newbie to FREEDOS, I have no idea where to download those 
drivers from before putting them on my floppy.

> For cdrom drivers, try xcdrom or
> uide and shsucdx. If you have them, compare whether
> Win9x prefers MSCDEX and the cdrom drivers included
> in a Win9x boot diskette. The contents of such a boot
> diskette should also be somewhere on the Win9x cdrom
> so you can copy them, but this is just a guess :-).

Good point. I'll check that !

> Eric

Thanks for details :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Michael Reichenbach]

Godefroid Chapelle schrieb:
> Michael Reichenbach wrote:
>> Godefroid Chapelle schrieb:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am trying to setup Win 95 from FreeDOS.
>>>
>>> I boot from freedos standard. Then load the cdrom driver. Ok :-)
>>>
>>> If I try to run install.exe for win95, it complains about high memory 
>>> support being incompatible.
>>>
>>> Are there any known workarounds ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>> Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.
>>
>> -mr
> 
> Would you have a hint of another system that would allow to install 
> Win95 from CD without owning DOS on floppies ?

You need a Win95 boot floppy with CD-ROM drivers. (you find them 
hopefully still on the net)

What devices you can boot from? CD-ROM? USB?

If you can not boot from floppy because you do not own a floppy then 
there is a workarround, a bit tricky... You can boot (CD-ROM or USB) 
from grub and then use memdisk. Or you boot from grub4dos and then use 
floppy emulation.

Both ways would emulate a boot floppy. Fine enough for installing Win9x.

It`s also possible to install MS-DOS on USB pendrive or harddrive. 
Instructions also online.

-mr

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

> > Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.

Well there are 2 ways of "support": Win9x includes
MS DOS 7 so you should only RUN it in MS DOS 7...

But you can start the INSTALLERS of various Windows
versions from within other DOS :-). I think what you
are trying to do is boot DOS from diskette because
your BIOS cannot boot from cdrom directly? In that
case you can use a grub4dos or btmgr (smart boot
manager) boot diskette which boots your cdrom for
you. Or you can use a FreeDOS boot diskette to run
the setup program of Win9x, but then you will have
to take care to use a suitable configuration.

For example loading only HIMEM but no EMM386 would be
a suggestion, and loading only a minimum collection
of other drivers. Try whether loading or not loading
SHARE works better. For cdrom drivers, try xcdrom or
uide and shsucdx. If you have them, compare whether
Win9x prefers MSCDEX and the cdrom drivers included
in a Win9x boot diskette. The contents of such a boot
diskette should also be somewhere on the Win9x cdrom
so you can copy them, but this is just a guess :-).

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Godefroid Chapelle]

Michael Reichenbach wrote:
> Godefroid Chapelle schrieb:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am trying to setup Win 95 from FreeDOS.
>>
>> I boot from freedos standard. Then load the cdrom driver. Ok :-)
>>
>> If I try to run install.exe for win95, it complains about high memory 
>> support being incompatible.
>>
>> Are there any known workarounds ?
>>
>> Thanks
> 
> Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.
> 
> -mr

Would you have a hint of another system that would allow to install 
Win95 from CD without owning DOS on floppies ?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Michael Reichenbach]

Godefroid Chapelle schrieb:
> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to setup Win 95 from FreeDOS.
> 
> I boot from freedos standard. Then load the cdrom driver. Ok :-)
> 
> If I try to run install.exe for win95, it complains about high memory 
> support being incompatible.
> 
> Are there any known workarounds ?
> 
> Thanks

Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.

-mr

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