Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove my message in Sourceforge
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Frederick Thomas wrote: The problem with standards, is that they become standard. Then they get incorporated into email ripping engines as standards. Exactly. And to obscure email addresses is only a tip of a programmer's finger to get into a ripping machine (actually, I cannot believe that all the various @ -> at|(at)|-at-|ad| etc.pp. mappings are obscure enough). Actually, I suggest you set up a specific mailbox for a specific purpose and protect it by a whitelist-only filter that bounces failed message with a descriptive message. Spamware of these days does not spam one individual personally, hence, they don't care about such errors and try to figure out how to bypass such filters. Bye, -- Steffen Kaiser --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove my message in Sourceforge
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:47:43 -0400, you wrote: Hi Nicholas, >Simple. Name at address dot com. >How most of the people I know do it, in such way my address is represented: Some of the ripping engine can did this (variable at host dot domain), because this become a fixed pattern, quite easy. Also don't estimate the stupidity of human. I know quite a large population in my city still don't know the "format" of HTTP and EMAIL, though some of them are MX and BT expert. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove my message in Sourceforge
The problem with standards, is that they become standard. Then they get incorporated into email ripping engines as standards. On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:09:42 +0800, Johnson Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:09:02 -0500, you wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > >I see that you've edited the html files you linked to ... they are now > >completely broken for email addresses. > > At the very beginning, say 8 years before the Internet still quiet > healthy and no need to mask the email address, but now things going to > the worse direction and never return. > > I know US made a law to fight SPAM and someone arrested already, but > too bad this WON'T happen in other countries such as CHINA. > > >I personally _hate_ that method of "hiding" email addresses. If you > >want to hide the email address, don't include a "mailto:"; link. You've > >made these "mailto:"; links, but replaced "@" with "(^^)" in the same > >Eric Auer style - so they are broken now. That's stupid, IMO. > > I don't like this. But I've to let the other know how to contact me, > and those crazy ripping engine is working as good as they want. > > You think that's stupid, so do I. But we become a victim that keep > receiving SPAM and junk mail, most of them even meaningless! > > >If you don't want the email addresses visible, you should turn them into > >plain text. For example, not: > > I think your way is better, no "mailto:";, just plain text. > Not convenient but at least work. > > >You could additionally replace the "@" with the ascii code for it, as > >Eric sometimes does. A spam email harvester cannot distinguish the > >above email address(es) from any other html text on the page. Yet a > >user will know they are email addresses, and can copy/paste the address > >into their email. > > We have to discuss and finalize a "informal standard" way of email. > It's better than everyone decide their own way and creating multiple > standards, bringing up more trouble. > > Rgds, > Johnson. > > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove my message in Sourceforge
Simple. Name at address dot com. How most of the people I know do it, in such way my address is represented: gedrean at yahoo dot com Any human looking at it is intelligent enough to grab it and if you can't type it for yourself, well, I'm afraid that irritates me to massive degrees. :) I like intelligent users. - Original Message - From: "Johnson Lam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 23:09 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove my message in Sourceforge > On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:09:02 -0500, you wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > >I see that you've edited the html files you linked to ... they are now > >completely broken for email addresses. > > At the very beginning, say 8 years before the Internet still quiet > healthy and no need to mask the email address, but now things going to > the worse direction and never return. > > I know US made a law to fight SPAM and someone arrested already, but > too bad this WON'T happen in other countries such as CHINA. > > >I personally _hate_ that method of "hiding" email addresses. If you > >want to hide the email address, don't include a "mailto:"; link. You've > >made these "mailto:"; links, but replaced "@" with "(^^)" in the same > >Eric Auer style - so they are broken now. That's stupid, IMO. > > I don't like this. But I've to let the other know how to contact me, > and those crazy ripping engine is working as good as they want. > > You think that's stupid, so do I. But we become a victim that keep > receiving SPAM and junk mail, most of them even meaningless! > > >If you don't want the email addresses visible, you should turn them into > >plain text. For example, not: > > I think your way is better, no "mailto:";, just plain text. > Not convenient but at least work. > > >You could additionally replace the "@" with the ascii code for it, as > >Eric sometimes does. A spam email harvester cannot distinguish the > >above email address(es) from any other html text on the page. Yet a > >user will know they are email addresses, and can copy/paste the address > >into their email. > > We have to discuss and finalize a "informal standard" way of email. > It's better than everyone decide their own way and creating multiple > standards, bringing up more trouble. > > > Rgds, > Johnson. > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove my message in Sourceforge
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:09:02 -0500, you wrote: Hi Jim, >I see that you've edited the html files you linked to ... they are now >completely broken for email addresses. At the very beginning, say 8 years before the Internet still quiet healthy and no need to mask the email address, but now things going to the worse direction and never return. I know US made a law to fight SPAM and someone arrested already, but too bad this WON'T happen in other countries such as CHINA. >I personally _hate_ that method of "hiding" email addresses. If you >want to hide the email address, don't include a "mailto:"; link. You've >made these "mailto:"; links, but replaced "@" with "(^^)" in the same >Eric Auer style - so they are broken now. That's stupid, IMO. I don't like this. But I've to let the other know how to contact me, and those crazy ripping engine is working as good as they want. You think that's stupid, so do I. But we become a victim that keep receiving SPAM and junk mail, most of them even meaningless! >If you don't want the email addresses visible, you should turn them into >plain text. For example, not: I think your way is better, no "mailto:";, just plain text. Not convenient but at least work. >You could additionally replace the "@" with the ascii code for it, as >Eric sometimes does. A spam email harvester cannot distinguish the >above email address(es) from any other html text on the page. Yet a >user will know they are email addresses, and can copy/paste the address >into their email. We have to discuss and finalize a "informal standard" way of email. It's better than everyone decide their own way and creating multiple standards, bringing up more trouble. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove my message in Sourceforge
Johnson Lam wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:57:51 -0500, you wrote: Hi Jim, I _can_ do this, but I'd rather not get in the habit of deleting comments from the forum (unless someone has posted something very obviously offensive.) How about editing function? I can change my typing mistake or something wrong. I submitted a query for you on the SF support site. But since you can't go back and edit your posts on other forums that I'm aware of (Slashdot, for example) I would guess you can't do that here too. Just post a followup to clarify. Nothing wrong with that. If it's just that you posted something before your work was ready, simply post a followup to your message indicating so. Eric suggested not to expose the email address to public (HTMLhelp have email address in plain text without protection), also the content is not "complete". So it's a good reason to keep the file away from normal user or those not in mailing list ... But anonymous user can see the comment, it's potential danger. I see that you've edited the html files you linked to ... they are now completely broken for email addresses. I personally _hate_ that method of "hiding" email addresses. If you want to hide the email address, don't include a "mailto:"; link. You've made these "mailto:"; links, but replaced "@" with "(^^)" in the same Eric Auer style - so they are broken now. That's stupid, IMO. If you don't want the email addresses visible, you should turn them into plain text. For example, not: mailto:(^-^)users.sourceforge.net">(^-^)users.sourceforge.net But instead, this: @users.sourceforge.net or: @users.sourceforge.net or: @users.sourceforge.net You could additionally replace the "@" with the ascii code for it, as Eric sometimes does. A spam email harvester cannot distinguish the above email address(es) from any other html text on the page. Yet a user will know they are email addresses, and can copy/paste the address into their email. -jh -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove my message in Sourceforge
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:57:51 -0500, you wrote: Hi Jim, >I _can_ do this, but I'd rather not get in the habit of deleting >comments from the forum (unless someone has posted something very >obviously offensive.) How about editing function? I can change my typing mistake or something wrong. >If it's just that you posted something before your work was ready, >simply post a followup to your message indicating so. Eric suggested not to expose the email address to public (HTMLhelp have email address in plain text without protection), also the content is not "complete". So it's a good reason to keep the file away from normal user or those not in mailing list ... But anonymous user can see the comment, it's potential danger. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove my message in Sourceforge
Johnson Lam wrote: Hi Jim, Can you please remove my message in the Sourceforge? I didn't expect you put the comment online so soon (but you're really fast). My works is not yet ready for public but I submit the response too fast without thinking, and I don't have right to edit or delete it. Did Sourceforge discussion forum have the function of editing? Can you help to enable it? I _can_ do this, but I'd rather not get in the habit of deleting comments from the forum (unless someone has posted something very obviously offensive.) If it's just that you posted something before your work was ready, simply post a followup to your message indicating so. -jh -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
