Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
Hi again, On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM stecdose wrote: > > Okay, maybe this would work for you to create a bootable FreeDOS stick > ... (Huh, that link just says to use RUFUS. But it also assumes you want/need to download the "full" FD 1.2, which isn't strictly necessary.) Yet another tool is this (basically "dd" for Windows): * https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ > The SYS tool is in freedos CD image (ISO, unpack with 7zip or similar). Only "7z" [sic] unpacks .iso (last I checked), and I've never personally tried rebuilding that variant with DJGPP (since it needs .so support, and I'm not super familiar with .dxe). I haven't looked at Mik's 16.02 build sources (assuming they're even sane), esp. since he included .RAR support (sources available but non-free). For now, "7za" was good enough for my simple needs. But you can probably hack "7z" to build and halfway work somehow. (Oh, you can also mount .ISO via SHSUCDHD or whatever it's called, but I've never really tried that.) But you don't need to jump through hoops just for SYS, grab it here: * http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/base/kernel.zip (See "BIN/SYS.COM", but yes, you also eventually need some kernel [KERNEL.SYS] and shell [COMMAND.COM], though you can copy manually later without "sys /k" or whatever, e.g. "/BOOTONLY".) * http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/sys.htm N.B. Although I have literally zero experience with it, UEFI needs CSM (compatibility support module) for BIOS-based systems like DOS. But not all UEFI systems have it available (and eventually none will). ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
Hi, (yes, I know I'm late in replying) On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM Sean Liming wrote: > > Booting WinPE from a USB flash disk. I rather not say anything more about > board or project. Okay, and we'll be sure not to assume it's some secretive government organization. ;-) > I remember sys. What zip file is the sys.exe utility contains in? SYS.COM is usually bundled with the kernel proper. But that won't run under Windows. > There is also a download for FreeDOS lite with a FD12LITE.img file. What is > this file how does it get installed? Is this another CD image? # file *.img FD12LITE.img: DOS/MBR boot sector, FREE-DOS Beta 0.9 MBR; partition 1 : ID=0x4, active, start-CHS (0x0,1,1), end-CHS (0x1f6,1,63), startsector 63, 63315 sectors Seeing as how it also comes with a small .vmdk file, it's meant to be used under VMware (or compatible hypervisor, probably also VBox or QEMU). So that's not what you want here. If you're running Windows, the best way (IMHO) to create bootable USB jump drive is via RUFUS: https://rufus.ie/en_IE.html It includes (bare bones) FreeDOS, so you can easily install that, then later just delete and/or copy files "ad libitum" to fill out what you want (e.g. external tools or compilers or whatever). It always works well for me! ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
This BIOS cycles through both. First UEFI then legacy. I was able to boot a FreeDOS USB disk no problem. Spending the day with the client, I have convinced them a FreeDOS USB flash disk is a better approach and avoids a hack implementation to doing something from WinPE. Thanks everyone. Regards, Sean Liming Owner Annabooks Cell: 858-774-3176 -Original Message- From: Pär Moberg Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 5:33 PM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE I must ask, does your computer system have BIOS (Legacy boot) or only UEFI/EFI? FreeDOS does not support UEFI, only BIOS since FreeDOS uses BIOS for the built in drivers, for example for hard-drive access. If your system support BIOS then it would be easy to use syslinux(usb drive)/isolinux(optical media) and memdisk (populated ramdisk from image) to do what you want without the need to install anything to the hard-drive (but you can if you want to). //Pär On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 at 00:31, Eric Auer wrote: > > > Hi Sean, some general ideas: > > > Thank you for the response. I have a client that wants to up their > > system BIOS and OS with a single WinPE disk. The Windows BIOS > > utilities are 32-bit and will not run in a 64-bit WinPE image. > > System only supports booting to 64-bit WinPE. The DOS command line > > BIOS utility runs in FreeDOS > > If you have WinPE 64 installed and want to install another OS, even if > that destroys your WinPE 64, then you could use one of those "install > Linux from inside Windows" tools. Some of them even come with > pre-configured settings for installing DOS. > > The idea is that they take some install disk (e.g. ISO) image for the > new system and insert files and a boot loader to start the install > process when restarting Windows. I have used such tools to install > Linux on a netbook without a CD-ROM drive. > > If you do NOT want to destroy your Windows, then you probably only > want a way to boot first WinPE 32 and second DOS from any suitable > boot medium, for example an USB flash stick. This is supported even > for DOS and people on this list can give you some suggestions for > convenient methods to make boot sticks. > I have used FreeDOS and Windows 3 with bootable USB sticks in some old > days, but now tools for it have become nicer :-) > > Regards, Eric > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
I must ask, does your computer system have BIOS (Legacy boot) or only UEFI/EFI? FreeDOS does not support UEFI, only BIOS since FreeDOS uses BIOS for the built in drivers, for example for hard-drive access. If your system support BIOS then it would be easy to use syslinux(usb drive)/isolinux(optical media) and memdisk (populated ramdisk from image) to do what you want without the need to install anything to the hard-drive (but you can if you want to). //Pär On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 at 00:31, Eric Auer wrote: > > > Hi Sean, some general ideas: > > > Thank you for the response. I have a client that wants to up their system > > BIOS and OS with a single WinPE disk. The Windows BIOS utilities are 32-bit > > and will not run in a 64-bit WinPE image. System only supports booting to > > 64-bit WinPE. The DOS command line BIOS utility runs in FreeDOS > > If you have WinPE 64 installed and want to install another OS, > even if that destroys your WinPE 64, then you could use one of > those "install Linux from inside Windows" tools. Some of them > even come with pre-configured settings for installing DOS. > > The idea is that they take some install disk (e.g. ISO) image > for the new system and insert files and a boot loader to start > the install process when restarting Windows. I have used such > tools to install Linux on a netbook without a CD-ROM drive. > > If you do NOT want to destroy your Windows, then you probably > only want a way to boot first WinPE 32 and second DOS from any > suitable boot medium, for example an USB flash stick. This is > supported even for DOS and people on this list can give you > some suggestions for convenient methods to make boot sticks. > I have used FreeDOS and Windows 3 with bootable USB sticks in > some old days, but now tools for it have become nicer :-) > > Regards, Eric > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
Hi Sean, some general ideas: > Thank you for the response. I have a client that wants to up their system > BIOS and OS with a single WinPE disk. The Windows BIOS utilities are 32-bit > and will not run in a 64-bit WinPE image. System only supports booting to > 64-bit WinPE. The DOS command line BIOS utility runs in FreeDOS If you have WinPE 64 installed and want to install another OS, even if that destroys your WinPE 64, then you could use one of those "install Linux from inside Windows" tools. Some of them even come with pre-configured settings for installing DOS. The idea is that they take some install disk (e.g. ISO) image for the new system and insert files and a boot loader to start the install process when restarting Windows. I have used such tools to install Linux on a netbook without a CD-ROM drive. If you do NOT want to destroy your Windows, then you probably only want a way to boot first WinPE 32 and second DOS from any suitable boot medium, for example an USB flash stick. This is supported even for DOS and people on this list can give you some suggestions for convenient methods to make boot sticks. I have used FreeDOS and Windows 3 with bootable USB sticks in some old days, but now tools for it have become nicer :-) Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
Okay, maybe this would work for you to create a bootable FreeDOS stick https://www.trishtech.com/2017/07/how-to-create-bootable-freedos-usb-drive-in-windows/ If you're system locks out other boot-devices than your WinPE you'll really have to go with this I think. The SYS tool is in freedos CD image (ISO, unpack with 7zip or similar). You also need command.com and kernel.sys in the same folder with SYS. But as I said, I dont know if this works from within Windows. Nils On 11/09/2018 10:05 PM, Sean Liming wrote: Booting WinPE from a USB flash disk. I rather not say anything more about board or project. I remember sys. What zip file is the sys.exe utility contains in? There is also a download for FreeDOS lite with a FD12LITE.img file. What is this file how does it get installed? Is this another CD image? Regards, Sean Liming Owner Annabooks Cell: 858-774-3176 *From:* stecdose *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 12:25 PM *To:* freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net *Subject:* Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE On 11/09/2018 09:15 PM, Sean Liming wrote: Thank you for the response. I have a client that wants to up their system BIOS and OS with a single WinPE disk. The Windows BIOS utilities are 32-bit and will not run in a 64-bit WinPE image. System only supports booting to 64-bit WinPE. The DOS command line BIOS utility runs in FreeDOS What kind of WinPE disk is this? CDROM? Would you tell us the model of that client? So maybe we could have a look at the manual. I am not totally sure, if I got it all right. I would like the have the WinPE disk install FreeDOS to the internal drive and then copy all the update files over to the disk. From there, they can reboot and perform the update. Autoexec.bat makes the calls to run the BIOS utility. They then can boot into the WinPE disk to update the OS on the same internal drive. It is not clear how to install FreeDOS from WinPE. Is there a Windows command line utility that can install FreeDOS on a hard drive? *If it works* from windows, SYS command from FreeDOS. This is all to install the basic system+shell (command.com) to a partition. This is gives a bootable DOS-System (since early days of DOS). All other stuff needed by user can be copied where ever the user likes. In your case SYS'ing a partition and copying the BIOS utility should be enough. I would also copy edit.exe to edit autoexec.bat/config.sys in case something is wrong with your configuration. Nils ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
Booting WinPE from a USB flash disk. I rather not say anything more about board or project. I remember sys. What zip file is the sys.exe utility contains in? There is also a download for FreeDOS lite with a FD12LITE.img file. What is this file how does it get installed? Is this another CD image? Regards, Sean Liming Owner Annabooks Cell: 858-774-3176 From: stecdose Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 12:25 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE On 11/09/2018 09:15 PM, Sean Liming wrote: Thank you for the response. I have a client that wants to up their system BIOS and OS with a single WinPE disk. The Windows BIOS utilities are 32-bit and will not run in a 64-bit WinPE image. System only supports booting to 64-bit WinPE. The DOS command line BIOS utility runs in FreeDOS What kind of WinPE disk is this? CDROM? Would you tell us the model of that client? So maybe we could have a look at the manual. I am not totally sure, if I got it all right. I would like the have the WinPE disk install FreeDOS to the internal drive and then copy all the update files over to the disk. From there, they can reboot and perform the update. Autoexec.bat makes the calls to run the BIOS utility. They then can boot into the WinPE disk to update the OS on the same internal drive. It is not clear how to install FreeDOS from WinPE. Is there a Windows command line utility that can install FreeDOS on a hard drive? *If it works* from windows, SYS command from FreeDOS. This is all to install the basic system+shell (command.com) to a partition. This is gives a bootable DOS-System (since early days of DOS). All other stuff needed by user can be copied where ever the user likes. In your case SYS'ing a partition and copying the BIOS utility should be enough. I would also copy edit.exe to edit autoexec.bat/config.sys in case something is wrong with your configuration. Nils ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
On 11/09/2018 09:15 PM, Sean Liming wrote: Thank you for the response. I have a client that wants to up their system BIOS and OS with a single WinPE disk. The Windows BIOS utilities are 32-bit and will not run in a 64-bit WinPE image. System only supports booting to 64-bit WinPE. The DOS command line BIOS utility runs in FreeDOS What kind of WinPE disk is this? CDROM? Would you tell us the model of that client? So maybe we could have a look at the manual. I am not totally sure, if I got it all right. I would like the have the WinPE disk install FreeDOS to the internal drive and then copy all the update files over to the disk. From there, they can reboot and perform the update. Autoexec.bat makes the calls to run the BIOS utility. They then can boot into the WinPE disk to update the OS on the same internal drive. It is not clear how to install FreeDOS from WinPE. Is there a Windows command line utility that can install FreeDOS on a hard drive? *If it works* from windows, SYS command from FreeDOS. This is all to install the basic system+shell (command.com) to a partition. This is gives a bootable DOS-System (since early days of DOS). All other stuff needed by user can be copied where ever the user likes. In your case SYS'ing a partition and copying the BIOS utility should be enough. I would also copy edit.exe to edit autoexec.bat/config.sys in case something is wrong with your configuration. Nils ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
Thank you for the response. I have a client that wants to up their system BIOS and OS with a single WinPE disk. The Windows BIOS utilities are 32-bit and will not run in a 64-bit WinPE image. System only supports booting to 64-bit WinPE. The DOS command line BIOS utility runs in FreeDOS I would like the have the WinPE disk install FreeDOS to the internal drive and then copy all the update files over to the disk. From there, they can reboot and perform the update. Autoexec.bat makes the calls to run the BIOS utility. They then can boot into the WinPE disk to update the OS on the same internal drive. It is not clear how to install FreeDOS from WinPE. Is there a Windows command line utility that can install FreeDOS on a hard drive? Regards, Sean Liming Owner Annabooks Cell: 858-774-3176 From: stecdose Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 12:59 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE The is no described way to do what you want (or at least no that I know of). But is should be possible. Windows is able to create DOS partitions and format them (FAT16 for FreeDOS). If Windows does not want to create the partition you need, there are several free partition utilites for Windows. The DOS tool SYS copies the bootloader, maybe it works in Win9.x/WinME from inside Windows? I dont know. On the CD ISO there is the full set of packages. I think 7zip and tools like that support opening ISOs. The are a lot of zips - every program is a package. There is also a package installer program "FDIMPLES". Unpacking all those zips by hand could be a pain, but with "proper tools" (make em all blue in explorer, right click, extract to..., all at once) it should not be that hard. Default installation path is C:\FREEDOS. I just want you to ask, why are trying to do this? Are you having difficulties to boot that system from CD/Floppy? If you have problems booting a CD there are freedos boot floppies, as well as "PLOP Bootmanager". This one is on a floppy and allows to choose USB and CDROM. This works on a Pentium 133 board for me with a PCI-USB2 card. Hope you find a solution, Nils On 11/09/2018 09:05 AM, Sean Liming wrote: Is there a method to silently install FreeDos from WinPE to an internal drive of a computer? All I see from the downloads are .img files i.e. fs12lite.img. How does this get installed? Regards, Sean ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Silently Install FreeDos from WinPE
The is no described way to do what you want (or at least no that I know of). But is should be possible. Windows is able to create DOS partitions and format them (FAT16 for FreeDOS). If Windows does not want to create the partition you need, there are several free partition utilites for Windows. The DOS tool SYS copies the bootloader, maybe it works in Win9.x/WinME from inside Windows? I dont know. On the CD ISO there is the full set of packages. I think 7zip and tools like that support opening ISOs. The are a lot of zips - every program is a package. There is also a package installer program "FDIMPLES". Unpacking all those zips by hand could be a pain, but with "proper tools" (make em all blue in explorer, right click, extract to..., all at once) it should not be that hard. Default installation path is C:\FREEDOS. I just want you to ask, why are trying to do this? Are you having difficulties to boot that system from CD/Floppy? If you have problems booting a CD there are freedos boot floppies, as well as "PLOP Bootmanager". This one is on a floppy and allows to choose USB and CDROM. This works on a Pentium 133 board for me with a PCI-USB2 card. Hope you find a solution, Nils On 11/09/2018 09:05 AM, Sean Liming wrote: Is there a method to silently install FreeDos from WinPE to an internal drive of a computer? All I see from the downloads are .img files i.e. fs12lite.img. How does this get installed? Regards, Sean ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
