Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
On 7/2/2018 7:58 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Which doesn't explain why the copywright > office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk" > which was after 1978. Which is nonsense to begin with, as there simply can't be any DOS software before 1981, the year the first MS/PC-DOS version came out. That means that any software, that hasn't been specifically put into Public Domain is under copyright for at least 70 years... Also, what is that copywrite/copywright office you keep talking about? If you're dealing with legal issues, it really pays to be precise... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
According to your very useful link. Before Jan 1 1978, copywrights had to be renewed or they expired to public domain. After that you no longer had to renew, it was automatic. Anything before 1/1/78 is now public if it wasn't renewed. Which doesn't explain why the copywright office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk" which was after 1978. I asked them for the present owner and a mailing address for them. "Could not locate anything"; no longer seems to be a resonable answer. They took my money; they should have given it to me. How can you get permission from an owner, if you can't find the SOB. DS On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 07:13:12 -0700 (PDT) geneb writes: > On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: > > > I only know what the report said. Laws may have changed. > > A woman I know who writes music said > > she has to renew her stuff once in awhile. > > How can you have a copywrite if you don't > > register it with some goverment some where. > > > *sigh* I give up. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** How To Remove Eye Bags & Lip Lines Fast (Watch) Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b3a3b47846053b4658c7st03duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: I only know what the report said. Laws may have changed. A woman I know who writes music said she has to renew her stuff once in awhile. How can you have a copywrite if you don't register it with some goverment some where. *sigh* I give up. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
I only know what the report said. Laws may have changed. A woman I know who writes music said she has to renew her stuff once in awhile. How can you have a copywrite if you don't register it with some goverment some where. DS . On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 16:35:50 -0700 (PDT) geneb writes: > On Sat, 30 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: > > > Copywrite office replied that they couldn't find any > > record of it. It was old and they purged it. Copywrites can > > last almost forever if you keep renewing it. > > I had to pay for their reseach time; at least it > > wasn't a fortune. I was sweating a $1,000 bill. > > They simply bill you for their work; you don't know > > what it could be. > > Renewal of a copyright isn't required - nor is registering one with > the > government. > > https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html > > You (and after reading the above link, likely your children) will be > long > dead before CrossTalk enters the public domain. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Immediately (Watch This Now) Gundry MD http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b39166d7c435166d338est03duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
On Sat, 30 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: Copywrite office replied that they couldn't find any record of it. It was old and they purged it. Copywrites can last almost forever if you keep renewing it. I had to pay for their reseach time; at least it wasn't a fortune. I was sweating a $1,000 bill. They simply bill you for their work; you don't know what it could be. Renewal of a copyright isn't required - nor is registering one with the government. https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html You (and after reading the above link, likely your children) will be long dead before CrossTalk enters the public domain. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
Copywrite office replied that they couldn't find any record of it. It was old and they purged it. Copywrites can last almost forever if you keep renewing it. I had to pay for their reseach time; at least it wasn't a fortune. I was sweating a $1,000 bill. They simply bill you for their work; you don't know what it could be. cheers DS On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:40:02 -0700 (PDT) geneb writes: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: > > > For file transfers I always used Crosstalk (aka xtalk) for > > file transfers. Its very hard to find anywhere. If you > > do find it; there isn't any copyright left on it. > > I paid the copywrite office $20 to tell me that. > > I'd love to have the source code for it. > > > Unless they provided proof that Crosstalk was released into the > public > domain, you wasted your $20. Due to copyright extensions purchased > by > Disney and others, commercial software like Crosstalk will enter in > to the > public domain long after you're dead. > > A number of good terminal programs can be found here: > http://www.retroarchive.org/garbo/pc/termprog/index.html > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** How To Remove Eye Bags & Lip Lines Fast (Watch) Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b378a2acf23ca2a46d4st04duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, jamie marchant wrote: Does it not very from country to country? CrossTalk was made by MicroPro (if memory serves), which is a US company. That being said, copyright law has been sufficiently corrupted world-wide that you will be dead before anything created in your lifetime will enter the public domain. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
Does it not very from country to country? On 06/29/2018 12:40 PM, geneb wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: For file transfers I always used Crosstalk (aka xtalk) for file transfers. Its very hard to find anywhere. If you do find it; there isn't any copyright left on it. I paid the copywrite office $20 to tell me that. I'd love to have the source code for it. Unless they provided proof that Crosstalk was released into the public domain, you wasted your $20. Due to copyright extensions purchased by Disney and others, commercial software like Crosstalk will enter in to the public domain long after you're dead. A number of good terminal programs can be found here: http://www.retroarchive.org/garbo/pc/termprog/index.html g. -- -Jamie Marchant -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: For file transfers I always used Crosstalk (aka xtalk) for file transfers. Its very hard to find anywhere. If you do find it; there isn't any copyright left on it. I paid the copywrite office $20 to tell me that. I'd love to have the source code for it. Unless they provided proof that Crosstalk was released into the public domain, you wasted your $20. Due to copyright extensions purchased by Disney and others, commercial software like Crosstalk will enter in to the public domain long after you're dead. A number of good terminal programs can be found here: http://www.retroarchive.org/garbo/pc/termprog/index.html g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
For file transfers I always used Crosstalk (aka xtalk) for file transfers. Its very hard to find anywhere. If you do find it; there isn't any copyright left on it. I paid the copywrite office $20 to tell me that. I'd love to have the source code for it. cheers DS On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 12:46:06 -0500 cont...@mcmackins.org writes: > I see in the Utilities section there is a VT100 emulator, but from > the > readme it doesn't seem like it supports XMODEM-protocol data > transfer. > What software can I get for DOS that supports this? My purpose for > this > is serial communication with a TI-99/4A computer for purposes of > file > transfer, and the program that the TI folks recommend uses XMODEM > for > file transfer. > > > Happy Hacking, > > David E. McMackins II > Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) > Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) > > www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com > www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** We Say Goodbye To Kathie Lee Gifford vagaboundblues.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b364c4b635b04c4b5c23st01duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018, David McMackins wrote: I managed to get a copy of MS-DOS Kermit. Think that'll work? Only if the transfer protocol you want to use is Kermit. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
On 6/28/2018 8:24 PM, David McMackins wrote: I managed to get a copy of MS-DOS Kermit. Think that'll work? It's a long time since I had to use it, but I think for transferring stuff between such dissimilar systems, Kermit is the best choice... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
I managed to get a copy of MS-DOS Kermit. Think that'll work? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 06/28/2018 01:50 PM, geneb wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jun 2018, cont...@mcmackins.org wrote: > >> I see in the Utilities section there is a VT100 emulator, but from the >> readme it doesn't seem like it supports XMODEM-protocol data transfer. >> What software can I get for DOS that supports this? My purpose for >> this is serial communication with a TI-99/4A computer for purposes of >> file transfer, and the program that the TI folks recommend uses XMODEM >> for file transfer. >> > Grab a copy of Procomm, Telix, or QModem. > > g. > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018, cont...@mcmackins.org wrote: I see in the Utilities section there is a VT100 emulator, but from the readme it doesn't seem like it supports XMODEM-protocol data transfer. What software can I get for DOS that supports this? My purpose for this is serial communication with a TI-99/4A computer for purposes of file transfer, and the program that the TI folks recommend uses XMODEM for file transfer. Grab a copy of Procomm, Telix, or QModem. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
