Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
On 24.1.2014 18:46, Dmitri Pal wrote: On 01/24/2014 10:39 AM, Rob Crittenden wrote: Martin Kosek wrote: When working on release, this question comes to my mind every time - what is the following page good for? :) http://www.freeipa.org/page/Changelog To me, it is usually just an annoyance of the release process. You can simply get all the data with git log derivatives, so I do not see a point of maintaining this page. I see benefits of having shortlog in Release pages like [1], but not with this one. I am thus proposing to deprecate it. [1] http://www.freeipa.org/page/Releases/3.3.3 Thanks. I used to just cherry-pick the big things then figured that some people care about everything so switched to that instead. Yes, the data is in git, but if one doesn't know git well then it can be hard to tell where something was fixed. I won't yell if it's dropped, but it's just a cut-n-paste after all. It is internet search-able and can be easily pointed to in different follow up materials. I would rather keep it, but a wiki formatting script might be a good idea. Our git repo has nice and responsive web interface: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/freeipa.git/ The advantage is that you can read full commit messages so you can see links to tickets in Trac which are not present in shortlog. Given that I think that Changelog wiki page is mostly annoyance, it could simply redirect to repo web interface (may be to listings for specific branches). -- Petr^2 Spacek ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
On 01/27/2014 09:08 AM, Petr Spacek wrote: On 24.1.2014 18:46, Dmitri Pal wrote: On 01/24/2014 10:39 AM, Rob Crittenden wrote: Martin Kosek wrote: When working on release, this question comes to my mind every time - what is the following page good for? :) http://www.freeipa.org/page/Changelog To me, it is usually just an annoyance of the release process. You can simply get all the data with git log derivatives, so I do not see a point of maintaining this page. I see benefits of having shortlog in Release pages like [1], but not with this one. I am thus proposing to deprecate it. [1] http://www.freeipa.org/page/Releases/3.3.3 Thanks. I used to just cherry-pick the big things then figured that some people care about everything so switched to that instead. Yes, the data is in git, but if one doesn't know git well then it can be hard to tell where something was fixed. I won't yell if it's dropped, but it's just a cut-n-paste after all. It is internet search-able and can be easily pointed to in different follow up materials. I would rather keep it, but a wiki formatting script might be a good idea. Our git repo has nice and responsive web interface: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/freeipa.git/ The advantage is that you can read full commit messages so you can see links to tickets in Trac which are not present in shortlog. Given that I think that Changelog wiki page is mostly annoyance, it could simply redirect to repo web interface (may be to listings for specific branches). Right, that was my thinking as well. The Changelog just duplicates information that is already internet-searchable in: * cgit * Mails and patches on freeipa-devel mailing list archive * Release specific Changelog excerpt in Release page Thus, I still do not see a reason in maintaining the huge Changelog page. Martin ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
On 01/27/2014 04:02 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote: On 01/27/2014 03:32 PM, Rob Crittenden wrote: [...] It is useful because you can more easily see what made it into the particular dot release rather than finding the patch you want then knowing to search backwards for the Become xx.yy commit. I saw it as a poor-man's way of finding changes. I think a poor man can open up the individual Release notes and look there. And a rich man (who has the repo cloned) can just use Git. $ git log -i --grep 'drop selinux' commit ad6abdb576b2ebeb941eb99fd141bf78918143c1 Author: Martin Kosek mko...@redhat.com Date: Thu Jun 13 14:40:52 2013 +0200 Drop SELinux subpackage All SELinux policy needed by FreeIPA server is now part of the global system SELinux policy which makes the subpackage redundant and slowing down the installation. This patch drops it. https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/3683 https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/3684 $ git tag --contains ad6abdb576b2ebeb941eb99fd141bf78918143c1 beta_1-3-3-0 beta_2-3-3-0 release-3-3-0 release-3-3-1 release-3-3-2 release-3-3-3 I couldn't say it better. Let's drop the manual changelog and use some modern way to do it - case is closed. Martin ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
Petr Spacek wrote: On 24.1.2014 18:46, Dmitri Pal wrote: On 01/24/2014 10:39 AM, Rob Crittenden wrote: Martin Kosek wrote: When working on release, this question comes to my mind every time - what is the following page good for? :) http://www.freeipa.org/page/Changelog To me, it is usually just an annoyance of the release process. You can simply get all the data with git log derivatives, so I do not see a point of maintaining this page. I see benefits of having shortlog in Release pages like [1], but not with this one. I am thus proposing to deprecate it. [1] http://www.freeipa.org/page/Releases/3.3.3 Thanks. I used to just cherry-pick the big things then figured that some people care about everything so switched to that instead. Yes, the data is in git, but if one doesn't know git well then it can be hard to tell where something was fixed. I won't yell if it's dropped, but it's just a cut-n-paste after all. It is internet search-able and can be easily pointed to in different follow up materials. I would rather keep it, but a wiki formatting script might be a good idea. Our git repo has nice and responsive web interface: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/freeipa.git/ The advantage is that you can read full commit messages so you can see links to tickets in Trac which are not present in shortlog. Given that I think that Changelog wiki page is mostly annoyance, it could simply redirect to repo web interface (may be to listings for specific branches). It is useful because you can more easily see what made it into the particular dot release rather than finding the patch you want then knowing to search backwards for the Become xx.yy commit. I saw it as a poor-man's way of finding changes. It gets updated 3 or 4 times a year, so it is hardly a burden. It is certainly duplicated information and I won't fight any further for it. rob ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
On 01/27/2014 03:32 PM, Rob Crittenden wrote: Petr Spacek wrote: On 24.1.2014 18:46, Dmitri Pal wrote: On 01/24/2014 10:39 AM, Rob Crittenden wrote: Martin Kosek wrote: When working on release, this question comes to my mind every time - what is the following page good for? :) http://www.freeipa.org/page/Changelog To me, it is usually just an annoyance of the release process. You can simply get all the data with git log derivatives, so I do not see a point of maintaining this page. I see benefits of having shortlog in Release pages like [1], but not with this one. I am thus proposing to deprecate it. [1] http://www.freeipa.org/page/Releases/3.3.3 Thanks. I used to just cherry-pick the big things then figured that some people care about everything so switched to that instead. Yes, the data is in git, but if one doesn't know git well then it can be hard to tell where something was fixed. I won't yell if it's dropped, but it's just a cut-n-paste after all. It is internet search-able and can be easily pointed to in different follow up materials. I would rather keep it, but a wiki formatting script might be a good idea. Our git repo has nice and responsive web interface: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/freeipa.git/ The advantage is that you can read full commit messages so you can see links to tickets in Trac which are not present in shortlog. Given that I think that Changelog wiki page is mostly annoyance, it could simply redirect to repo web interface (may be to listings for specific branches). It is useful because you can more easily see what made it into the particular dot release rather than finding the patch you want then knowing to search backwards for the Become xx.yy commit. I saw it as a poor-man's way of finding changes. Ok, though I still think that git and cgit should be the authoritative source of searches like this... It gets updated 3 or 4 times a year, so it is hardly a burden. 3-4 times? I see 19 updates happening in 2013 in this page. With each release (even a minor one) we do, we need to do prepare shortlog, apply wiki and the specific date format and paste it here. It is certainly duplicated information and I won't fight any further for it. rob Noted :) Martin ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
On 01/27/2014 03:32 PM, Rob Crittenden wrote: [...] It is useful because you can more easily see what made it into the particular dot release rather than finding the patch you want then knowing to search backwards for the Become xx.yy commit. I saw it as a poor-man's way of finding changes. I think a poor man can open up the individual Release notes and look there. And a rich man (who has the repo cloned) can just use Git. $ git log -i --grep 'drop selinux' commit ad6abdb576b2ebeb941eb99fd141bf78918143c1 Author: Martin Kosek mko...@redhat.com Date: Thu Jun 13 14:40:52 2013 +0200 Drop SELinux subpackage All SELinux policy needed by FreeIPA server is now part of the global system SELinux policy which makes the subpackage redundant and slowing down the installation. This patch drops it. https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/3683 https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/3684 $ git tag --contains ad6abdb576b2ebeb941eb99fd141bf78918143c1 beta_1-3-3-0 beta_2-3-3-0 release-3-3-0 release-3-3-1 release-3-3-2 release-3-3-3 -- Petr³ ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
On 01/27/2014 05:23 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Mon, 2014-01-27 at 16:53 +0100, Martin Kosek wrote: On 01/27/2014 04:02 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote: On 01/27/2014 03:32 PM, Rob Crittenden wrote: [...] It is useful because you can more easily see what made it into the particular dot release rather than finding the patch you want then knowing to search backwards for the Become xx.yy commit. I saw it as a poor-man's way of finding changes. I think a poor man can open up the individual Release notes and look there. And a rich man (who has the repo cloned) can just use Git. $ git log -i --grep 'drop selinux' commit ad6abdb576b2ebeb941eb99fd141bf78918143c1 Author: Martin Kosek mko...@redhat.com Date: Thu Jun 13 14:40:52 2013 +0200 Drop SELinux subpackage All SELinux policy needed by FreeIPA server is now part of the global system SELinux policy which makes the subpackage redundant and slowing down the installation. This patch drops it. https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/3683 https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/3684 $ git tag --contains ad6abdb576b2ebeb941eb99fd141bf78918143c1 beta_1-3-3-0 beta_2-3-3-0 release-3-3-0 release-3-3-1 release-3-3-2 release-3-3-3 I couldn't say it better. Let's drop the manual changelog and use some modern way to do it - case is closed. May be you can stick into the Release notes page the actual query that gives you the changelog from cgit ? It should probably be https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/freeipa.git/log/?qt=rangeq=release-3.3.2..release-3.3.3 But at the moment it returns an internal server error, I will ask on fedora-admin Simo. I can do that. Just note that the between-versions diff changelog in Release notes stays, we are just discussing removing the global one [1]. Martin [1] http://www.freeipa.org/page/Changelog ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
On Mon, 2014-01-27 at 16:53 +0100, Martin Kosek wrote: On 01/27/2014 04:02 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote: On 01/27/2014 03:32 PM, Rob Crittenden wrote: [...] It is useful because you can more easily see what made it into the particular dot release rather than finding the patch you want then knowing to search backwards for the Become xx.yy commit. I saw it as a poor-man's way of finding changes. I think a poor man can open up the individual Release notes and look there. And a rich man (who has the repo cloned) can just use Git. $ git log -i --grep 'drop selinux' commit ad6abdb576b2ebeb941eb99fd141bf78918143c1 Author: Martin Kosek mko...@redhat.com Date: Thu Jun 13 14:40:52 2013 +0200 Drop SELinux subpackage All SELinux policy needed by FreeIPA server is now part of the global system SELinux policy which makes the subpackage redundant and slowing down the installation. This patch drops it. https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/3683 https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/3684 $ git tag --contains ad6abdb576b2ebeb941eb99fd141bf78918143c1 beta_1-3-3-0 beta_2-3-3-0 release-3-3-0 release-3-3-1 release-3-3-2 release-3-3-3 I couldn't say it better. Let's drop the manual changelog and use some modern way to do it - case is closed. May be you can stick into the Release notes page the actual query that gives you the changelog from cgit ? It should probably be https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/freeipa.git/log/?qt=rangeq=release-3.3.2..release-3.3.3 But at the moment it returns an internal server error, I will ask on fedora-admin Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
[Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
When working on release, this question comes to my mind every time - what is the following page good for? :) http://www.freeipa.org/page/Changelog To me, it is usually just an annoyance of the release process. You can simply get all the data with git log derivatives, so I do not see a point of maintaining this page. I see benefits of having shortlog in Release pages like [1], but not with this one. I am thus proposing to deprecate it. [1] http://www.freeipa.org/page/Releases/3.3.3 Thanks. -- Martin Kosek mko...@redhat.com Supervisor, Software Engineering - Identity Management Team Red Hat Inc. ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
Martin Kosek wrote: When working on release, this question comes to my mind every time - what is the following page good for? :) http://www.freeipa.org/page/Changelog To me, it is usually just an annoyance of the release process. You can simply get all the data with git log derivatives, so I do not see a point of maintaining this page. I see benefits of having shortlog in Release pages like [1], but not with this one. I am thus proposing to deprecate it. [1] http://www.freeipa.org/page/Releases/3.3.3 Thanks. I used to just cherry-pick the big things then figured that some people care about everything so switched to that instead. Yes, the data is in git, but if one doesn't know git well then it can be hard to tell where something was fixed. I won't yell if it's dropped, but it's just a cut-n-paste after all. rob ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] What is Changelog on wiki for?
On 01/24/2014 10:39 AM, Rob Crittenden wrote: Martin Kosek wrote: When working on release, this question comes to my mind every time - what is the following page good for? :) http://www.freeipa.org/page/Changelog To me, it is usually just an annoyance of the release process. You can simply get all the data with git log derivatives, so I do not see a point of maintaining this page. I see benefits of having shortlog in Release pages like [1], but not with this one. I am thus proposing to deprecate it. [1] http://www.freeipa.org/page/Releases/3.3.3 Thanks. I used to just cherry-pick the big things then figured that some people care about everything so switched to that instead. Yes, the data is in git, but if one doesn't know git well then it can be hard to tell where something was fixed. I won't yell if it's dropped, but it's just a cut-n-paste after all. It is internet search-able and can be easily pointed to in different follow up materials. I would rather keep it, but a wiki formatting script might be a good idea. rob ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel -- Thank you, Dmitri Pal Sr. Engineering Manager for IdM portfolio Red Hat Inc. --- Looking to carve out IT costs? www.redhat.com/carveoutcosts/ ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
