Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-17 Thread Dmitri Pal
On 02/17/2013 02:37 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Sat, 2013-02-16 at 13:31 +, Charlie Derwent wrote: >> >> Bit late to the conversation here, but if you want another example of >> a >> quasi-system account within IPA, there is the need for a user to >> handle >> automated enrollment/re-enrollment

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-17 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sat, 2013-02-16 at 13:31 +, Charlie Derwent wrote: > > > Bit late to the conversation here, but if you want another example of > a > quasi-system account within IPA, there is the need for a user to > handle > automated enrollment/re-enrollment of servers. > > Charlie > For this we should

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-16 Thread Charlie Derwent
Bit late to the conversation here, but if you want another example of a quasi-system account within IPA, there is the need for a user to handle automated enrollment/re-enrollment of servers. Charlie On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Brian Cook wrote: > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Simo Sorce

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Brian Cook
On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 17:34 -0500, Dmitri Pal wrote: >> On 02/15/2013 05:12 PM, John Dennis wrote: >>> On 02/15/2013 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 02:34 PM, John Dennis wrote: > On 02/15/2013 04:16 PM, Orion Poplawski wro

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 17:34 -0500, Dmitri Pal wrote: > On 02/15/2013 05:12 PM, John Dennis wrote: > > On 02/15/2013 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > >> On 02/15/2013 02:34 PM, John Dennis wrote: > >>> On 02/15/2013 04:16 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > Hmm, that is the filter in TB for m

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 16:06 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 02/15/2013 04:03 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 17:12 -0500, John Dennis wrote: > >> On 02/15/2013 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > >>> On 02/15/2013 02:34 PM, John Dennis wrote: > On 02/15/2013 04:16 PM, Orion P

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 04:06 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 04:03 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 17:12 -0500, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Yup, then it adds it: filter="(&(objectClass=person)(|(mail=*apac*)(cn=*apac*)(givenName=*apac*)(sn=*a

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 04:03 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 17:12 -0500, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 02:34 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 04:16 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Hmm, that is the filter in TB for me too, but: [15/Fe

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 17:12 -0500, John Dennis wrote: > On 02/15/2013 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > On 02/15/2013 02:34 PM, John Dennis wrote: > >> On 02/15/2013 04:16 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > >>> > >>> Hmm, that is the filter in TB for me too, but: > >>> > >>> [15/Feb/2013:11:17:21

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 03:12 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 02:34 PM, John Dennis wrote: What happens if you set the TB filter to (objectclass=person)? Yup, then it adds it: filter="(&(objectClass=person)(|(mail=*apac*)(cn=*apac*)(givenName=*apac

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Dmitri Pal
On 02/15/2013 05:12 PM, John Dennis wrote: > On 02/15/2013 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> On 02/15/2013 02:34 PM, John Dennis wrote: >>> On 02/15/2013 04:16 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Hmm, that is the filter in TB for me too, but: [15/Feb/2013:11:17:21 -0700] conn=931 o

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread John Dennis
On 02/15/2013 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 02:34 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 04:16 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Hmm, that is the filter in TB for me too, but: [15/Feb/2013:11:17:21 -0700] conn=931 op=1 SRCH base="ou=people,dc=nwra,dc=com" scope=2 filter="(|(mail=*

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 02:34 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 04:16 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Hmm, that is the filter in TB for me too, but: [15/Feb/2013:11:17:21 -0700] conn=931 op=1 SRCH base="ou=people,dc=nwra,dc=com" scope=2 filter="(|(mail=*apache*)(cn=*apache*)(givenName=*apache*)(sn=*apa

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread John Dennis
On 02/15/2013 04:16 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 02:02 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 03:57 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 01:56 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 03:46 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: This is an interesting use case, it would probably be appropriate to ha

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 01:46 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 12:01 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote: What brought this up was the need to sync users from LDAP into another authentication system, and for that system we only wanted "real" human people to be listed. Also, we don't want these accoun

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Lucas Yamanishi
On 02/15/2013 04:01 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 02/15/2013 01:42 PM, John Dennis wrote: >> On 02/15/2013 02:23 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: >>> On 02/15/2013 12:01 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: I've been trying to track down any bugs I may have filed without success, but I'm pret

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Dmitri Pal
On 02/15/2013 03:46 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 12:01 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> On 02/15/2013 11:49 AM, Rob Crittenden wrote: Another example is a backup user account that backup software logs in as. Also some accounts that own files and some services run as

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 02:02 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 03:57 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 01:56 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 03:46 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: This is an interesting use case, it would probably be appropriate to have a RFE filed to allow to create ipa users mark

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Brian Cook
On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:02 PM, John Dennis wrote: > On 02/15/2013 03:57 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> On 02/15/2013 01:56 PM, John Dennis wrote: >>> On 02/15/2013 03:46 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: This is an interesting use case, it would probably be appropriate to have a RFE filed to allow to

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread John Dennis
On 02/15/2013 03:57 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 01:56 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 03:46 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: This is an interesting use case, it would probably be appropriate to have a RFE filed to allow to create ipa users marked as 'non-person' so that they are not assi

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 01:42 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 02:23 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 12:01 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: I've been trying to track down any bugs I may have filed without success, but I'm pretty sure I tried at first adding a system user to LDAP groups and that n

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 01:56 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 03:46 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: This is an interesting use case, it would probably be appropriate to have a RFE filed to allow to create ipa users marked as 'non-person' so that they are not assigned the person objectclass. Yes, that address

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread John Dennis
On 02/15/2013 03:46 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: This is an interesting use case, it would probably be appropriate to have a RFE filed to allow to create ipa users marked as 'non-person' so that they are not assigned the person objectclass. Yes, that addresses one large component of the problem. But t

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 12:01 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 02/15/2013 11:49 AM, Rob Crittenden wrote: > >> Another example is a backup user account that backup software logs in as. > >> > >> Also some accounts that own files and some services run as that are > >> needed on multiple machines. I

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread John Dennis
On 02/15/2013 02:23 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 12:01 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: I've been trying to track down any bugs I may have filed without success, but I'm pretty sure I tried at first adding a system user to LDAP groups and that not working unless the system user was in LDA

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 12:01 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: I've been trying to track down any bugs I may have filed without success, but I'm pretty sure I tried at first adding a system user to LDAP groups and that not working unless the system user was in LDAP. This may have been before I started using SS

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 11:49 AM, Rob Crittenden wrote: Another example is a backup user account that backup software logs in as. Also some accounts that own files and some services run as that are needed on multiple machines. I suppose we could use puppet to manage those, but ldap seems more convenient.

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 11:50 AM, John Dennis wrote: O.K. but I want to make sure you understand the difference. If you give login or other permissions to a network facing system daemon you're opening a huge security hole. Adding the apache user to the set of users managed by IPA is quite dangerous unless

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread John Dennis
On 02/15/2013 01:39 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 11:38 AM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 01:35 PM, Rob Crittenden wrote: John Dennis wrote: The example cited was the apache user, a system daemon. For system users bound to system daemons I stand by what I said. If you want to tal

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Crittenden
Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 11:38 AM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 01:35 PM, Rob Crittenden wrote: John Dennis wrote: The example cited was the apache user, a system daemon. For system users bound to system daemons I stand by what I said. If you want to talk about other system use

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 11:38 AM, John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 01:35 PM, Rob Crittenden wrote: John Dennis wrote: The example cited was the apache user, a system daemon. For system users bound to system daemons I stand by what I said. If you want to talk about other system users not bound to a daemon

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread John Dennis
On 02/15/2013 01:35 PM, Rob Crittenden wrote: John Dennis wrote: The example cited was the apache user, a system daemon. For system users bound to system daemons I stand by what I said. If you want to talk about other system users not bound to a daemon than state that rather than confusing the i

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Crittenden
John Dennis wrote: The example cited was the apache user, a system daemon. For system users bound to system daemons I stand by what I said. If you want to talk about other system users not bound to a daemon than state that rather than confusing the issue. He cited a backup user. That isn't tie

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread John Dennis
The example cited was the apache user, a system daemon. For system users bound to system daemons I stand by what I said. If you want to talk about other system users not bound to a daemon than state that rather than confusing the issue. -- John Dennis Looking to carve out IT costs? www.redha

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Crittenden
John Dennis wrote: On 02/15/2013 12:32 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 09:45 AM, Petr Viktorin wrote: On 02/15/2013 05:36 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Is there a recommended way to distinguish between "real" human user accounts in IPA and non-human "system" accounts in IPA? What kind

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Brian Cook
There are lots of use cases where it makes sense to have a share 'application' user: -agentless monitoring -penetration testing -code deployment -clustering The system user is not always the user an application is running as. Sometimes it is just a user that is used to gain access to a remote

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread John Dennis
On 02/15/2013 12:32 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/15/2013 09:45 AM, Petr Viktorin wrote: On 02/15/2013 05:36 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Is there a recommended way to distinguish between "real" human user accounts in IPA and non-human "system" accounts in IPA? What kind of system accounts

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/15/2013 09:45 AM, Petr Viktorin wrote: On 02/15/2013 05:36 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Is there a recommended way to distinguish between "real" human user accounts in IPA and non-human "system" accounts in IPA? What kind of system accounts do you have in IPA? Consider not storing them in

Re: [Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Petr Viktorin
On 02/15/2013 05:36 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Is there a recommended way to distinguish between "real" human user accounts in IPA and non-human "system" accounts in IPA? What kind of system accounts do you have in IPA? Consider not storing them in IPA at all. -- PetrĀ³

[Freeipa-users] Non-human users

2013-02-15 Thread Orion Poplawski
Is there a recommended way to distinguish between "real" human user accounts in IPA and non-human "system" accounts in IPA? -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane