Re: [Freeipa-users] FreeIPA state - performace, commercial usage
I would have to throw in a comment. As someone who has a 16 server cluster with 10,000+ clients and growing, the hardest part is having to tune dirsrv on each and every server. Beyond that, the rest is pretty solid. Perhaps in the 5.x series they would consider adding a way to tune the primary dirsrv at installation time, and have it copy that config via ipa-replica-install or similar. ~Janelle On 8/21/15 4:44 AM, Loris Santamaria wrote: Hi, FWIW one of our customers (a bank) uses freeIPA 3.0 + samba with 4 servers and 5000+ clients, with no major issues. We were able to solve every issue they had tuning the dirsrv or with help from this list. Best regards El vie, 21-08-2015 a las 04:44 +0200, Vaclav Adamec escribió: Hi, Don't want to start flame, but my question is quite simple, is there anybody who use it in real production/commercial setup without any major issues ? don't you lack commercial support ? no issues with auditors ? after a year/two of usage/testing/troubleshooting of freeipa/redhat ipa it seems, for me as a simple admin, to be still not very mature project, even basic configuration isn't very stable/solid to use it in real production. I started with latest freeipa on fedora with one server (VM vmware), then add other master replicas but after many issues I carefully keep one server on redhat 7 with up2date version of ipa from rhel repos, default installation setup, no replication. But still with stability issue (processes died occasionally, mostly due multiple clients removing, sometimes it dies completely with cryptic errors in journal (but sometimes no errors at all just wait for something during restart) and only fast option is restore from snaphot backups with loosing some clients). Performance is also issue, we cannot register more then 4-5 servers at once, or it will timeout (but no visible network or cpu/mem load issue). As there are no other complex solutions like IPA it's quite hard decide what to use as a replacement, but right now it's seems that we have no other option and we probably switch to simple openldap and missing functionality cover by puppet and some 2factor solution. We don't need anything special, no dns handling, no certificates, no AD connection, just simple servers/clients, users with groups and rules for access/sudo. Multimaster (with DNS SRV) solution for higher performance and reliability would be nice, but not necessary if we can keep it stable and handle more clients registration. We have tens of users/groups, hundreds servers/clients with random registration burst as we use it also for temp. build environments and OpenStack instances. Oficial support from RedHat is not very helpful, also they don't provide any real training for IPA, so only option is mail conference (very helpful, thanks for that) and tones of documentation/examples for variety of versions, but for such complex thing probably not enough for commercial use. Can I ask you for your opinion ? Vasek -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go to http://freeipa.org for more info on the project
Re: [Freeipa-users] FreeIPA state - performace, commercial usage
Hi, FWIW one of our customers (a bank) uses freeIPA 3.0 + samba with 4 servers and 5000+ clients, with no major issues. We were able to solve every issue they had tuning the dirsrv or with help from this list. Best regards El vie, 21-08-2015 a las 04:44 +0200, Vaclav Adamec escribió: Hi, Don't want to start flame, but my question is quite simple, is there anybody who use it in real production/commercial setup without any major issues ? don't you lack commercial support ? no issues with auditors ? after a year/two of usage/testing/troubleshooting of freeipa/redhat ipa it seems, for me as a simple admin, to be still not very mature project, even basic configuration isn't very stable/solid to use it in real production. I started with latest freeipa on fedora with one server (VM vmware), then add other master replicas but after many issues I carefully keep one server on redhat 7 with up2date version of ipa from rhel repos, default installation setup, no replication. But still with stability issue (processes died occasionally, mostly due multiple clients removing, sometimes it dies completely with cryptic errors in journal (but sometimes no errors at all just wait for something during restart) and only fast option is restore from snaphot backups with loosing some clients). Performance is also issue, we cannot register more then 4-5 servers at once, or it will timeout (but no visible network or cpu/mem load issue). As there are no other complex solutions like IPA it's quite hard decide what to use as a replacement, but right now it's seems that we have no other option and we probably switch to simple openldap and missing functionality cover by puppet and some 2factor solution. We don't need anything special, no dns handling, no certificates, no AD connection, just simple servers/clients, users with groups and rules for access/sudo. Multimaster (with DNS SRV) solution for higher performance and reliability would be nice, but not necessary if we can keep it stable and handle more clients registration. We have tens of users/groups, hundreds servers/clients with random registration burst as we use it also for temp. build environments and OpenStack instances. Oficial support from RedHat is not very helpful, also they don't provide any real training for IPA, so only option is mail conference (very helpful, thanks for that) and tones of documentation/examples for variety of versions, but for such complex thing probably not enough for commercial use. Can I ask you for your opinion ? Vasek -- Loris Santamaria linux user #70506 xmpp:lo...@lgs.com.ve Links Global Services, C.A.http://www.lgs.com.ve Tel: 0286 952.06.87 Cel: 0414 095.00.10 sip:1...@lgs.com.ve If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse - Henry Ford smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go to http://freeipa.org for more info on the project
Re: [Freeipa-users] FreeIPA state - performace, commercial usage
Hello. We have very fine experience with a production deployment of IPA 3.0 (two servers in domain) with over 200 users and near client 100 servers and no AD integration, only for our local branch. Based on this experience we tried to deploy company-wide IPA 3.3 (latter 4.1) with 19 servers in domain (over all the country) and AD integration (also a large distributed domain). Still having a lot of critical issues and unable to use it in full scale. Red Hat official support it very useful, this maillist also, but issues are very strong :) We are trying to feed it to full scale production, and I think in more simple conditions is could be nice and soft. WBR, Alexander Frolushkin Cell +79232508764 Work +79232507764 -Original Message- From: freeipa-users-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:freeipa-users-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Vaclav Adamec Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:44 AM To: freeipa-users Subject: [Freeipa-users] FreeIPA state - performace, commercial usage Hi, Don't want to start flame, but my question is quite simple, is there anybody who use it in real production/commercial setup without any major issues ? don't you lack commercial support ? no issues with auditors ? after a year/two of usage/testing/troubleshooting of freeipa/redhat ipa it seems, for me as a simple admin, to be still not very mature project, even basic configuration isn't very stable/solid to use it in real production. I started with latest freeipa on fedora with one server (VM vmware), then add other master replicas but after many issues I carefully keep one server on redhat 7 with up2date version of ipa from rhel repos, default installation setup, no replication. But still with stability issue (processes died occasionally, mostly due multiple clients removing, sometimes it dies completely with cryptic errors in journal (but sometimes no errors at all just wait for something during restart) and only fast option is restore from snaphot backups with loosing some clients). Performance is also issue, we cannot register more then 4-5 servers at once, or it will timeout (but no visible network or cpu/mem load issue). As there are no other complex solutions like IPA it's quite hard decide what to use as a replacement, but right now it's seems that we have no other option and we probably switch to simple openldap and missing functionality cover by puppet and some 2factor solution. We don't need anything special, no dns handling, no certificates, no AD connection, just simple servers/clients, users with groups and rules for access/sudo. Multimaster (with DNS SRV) solution for higher performance and reliability would be nice, but not necessary if we can keep it stable and handle more clients registration. We have tens of users/groups, hundreds servers/clients with random registration burst as we use it also for temp. build environments and OpenStack instances. Oficial support from RedHat is not very helpful, also they don't provide any real training for IPA, so only option is mail conference (very helpful, thanks for that) and tones of documentation/examples for variety of versions, but for such complex thing probably not enough for commercial use. Can I ask you for your opinion ? Vasek -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go to http://freeipa.org for more info on the project Информация в этом сообщении предназначена исключительно для конкретных лиц, которым она адресована. В сообщении может содержаться конфиденциальная информация, которая не может быть раскрыта или использована кем-либо, кроме адресатов. Если вы не адресат этого сообщения, то использование, переадресация, копирование или распространение содержания сообщения или его части незаконно и запрещено. Если Вы получили это сообщение ошибочно, пожалуйста, незамедлительно сообщите отправителю об этом и удалите со всем содержимым само сообщение и любые возможные его копии и приложения. The information contained in this communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. The contents may not be disclosed or used by anyone other than the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient(s), any use, disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify us immediately by responding to this email and then delete the e-mail and all attachments and any copies thereof. (c)20mf50 -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go to http://freeipa.org for more info on the project
Re: [Freeipa-users] FreeIPA state - performace, commercial usage
On 08/20/2015 10:44 PM, Vaclav Adamec wrote: Hi, Don't want to start flame, but my question is quite simple, is there anybody who use it in real production/commercial setup without any major issues ? don't you lack commercial support ? no issues with auditors ? after a year/two of usage/testing/troubleshooting of freeipa/redhat ipa it seems, for me as a simple admin, to be still not very mature project, even basic configuration isn't very stable/solid to use it in real production. I started with latest freeipa on fedora with one server (VM vmware), then add other master replicas but after many issues I carefully keep one server on redhat 7 with up2date version of ipa from rhel repos, default installation setup, no replication. But still with stability issue (processes died occasionally, mostly due multiple clients removing, sometimes it dies completely with cryptic errors in journal (but sometimes no errors at all just wait for something during restart) and only fast option is restore from snaphot backups with loosing some clients). Performance is also issue, we cannot register more then 4-5 servers at once, or it will timeout (but no visible network or cpu/mem load issue). As there are no other complex solutions like IPA it's quite hard decide what to use as a replacement, but right now it's seems that we have no other option and we probably switch to simple openldap and missing functionality cover by puppet and some 2factor solution. We don't need anything special, no dns handling, no certificates, no AD connection, just simple servers/clients, users with groups and rules for access/sudo. Multimaster (with DNS SRV) solution for higher performance and reliability would be nice, but not necessary if we can keep it stable and handle more clients registration. We have tens of users/groups, hundreds servers/clients with random registration burst as we use it also for temp. build environments and OpenStack instances. Oficial support from RedHat is not very helpful, also they don't provide any real training for IPA, so only option is mail conference (very helpful, thanks for that) and tones of documentation/examples for variety of versions, but for such complex thing probably not enough for commercial use. Can I ask you for your opinion ? Vasek It seems that you have already contacted Red Hat support. Have you filed cases? Have you shared your logs? If you had bad experience wit hRed Hat support organization please contact me offline and share the details. If you have consistent problems we want them fixed. As a Red Hat representative I can definitely say that we have many customers running IdM in production. It is true that Red Hat does not provide formal training. We here try to compensate for that part as much as possible. It is also a commercial opportunity for someone who figured things out and is ready to help others. HTH -- Thank you, Dmitri Pal Engineering Director, Identity Management and Platform Security Red Hat, Inc. -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go to http://freeipa.org for more info on the project
[Freeipa-users] FreeIPA state - performace, commercial usage
Hi, Don't want to start flame, but my question is quite simple, is there anybody who use it in real production/commercial setup without any major issues ? don't you lack commercial support ? no issues with auditors ? after a year/two of usage/testing/troubleshooting of freeipa/redhat ipa it seems, for me as a simple admin, to be still not very mature project, even basic configuration isn't very stable/solid to use it in real production. I started with latest freeipa on fedora with one server (VM vmware), then add other master replicas but after many issues I carefully keep one server on redhat 7 with up2date version of ipa from rhel repos, default installation setup, no replication. But still with stability issue (processes died occasionally, mostly due multiple clients removing, sometimes it dies completely with cryptic errors in journal (but sometimes no errors at all just wait for something during restart) and only fast option is restore from snaphot backups with loosing some clients). Performance is also issue, we cannot register more then 4-5 servers at once, or it will timeout (but no visible network or cpu/mem load issue). As there are no other complex solutions like IPA it's quite hard decide what to use as a replacement, but right now it's seems that we have no other option and we probably switch to simple openldap and missing functionality cover by puppet and some 2factor solution. We don't need anything special, no dns handling, no certificates, no AD connection, just simple servers/clients, users with groups and rules for access/sudo. Multimaster (with DNS SRV) solution for higher performance and reliability would be nice, but not necessary if we can keep it stable and handle more clients registration. We have tens of users/groups, hundreds servers/clients with random registration burst as we use it also for temp. build environments and OpenStack instances. Oficial support from RedHat is not very helpful, also they don't provide any real training for IPA, so only option is mail conference (very helpful, thanks for that) and tones of documentation/examples for variety of versions, but for such complex thing probably not enough for commercial use. Can I ask you for your opinion ? Vasek -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go to http://freeipa.org for more info on the project
Re: [Freeipa-users] FreeIPA state - performace, commercial usage
On 08/21/2015 09:44 AM, Vaclav Adamec wrote: Hi, Don't want to start flame, but my question is quite simple, is there anybody who use it in real production/commercial setup without any major issues ? don't you lack commercial support ? no issues with auditors ? FreeIPA is upstream for Red Hat IdM, if you wanna get commercial/enterprise support, go for Red Hat Subscription. after a year/two of usage/testing/troubleshooting of freeipa/redhat ipa it seems, for me as a simple admin, to be still not very mature project, even basic configuration isn't very stable/solid to use it in real production. I started with latest freeipa on fedora with one server (VM vmware), then add other master replicas but after many issues I carefully keep one server on redhat 7 with up2date version of ipa from rhel repos, default installation setup, no replication. But still with stability issue (processes died occasionally, mostly due multiple clients removing, sometimes it dies completely with cryptic errors in journal (but sometimes no errors at all just wait for something during restart) and only fast option is restore from snaphot backups with loosing some clients). Performance is also issue, we cannot register more then 4-5 servers at once, or it will timeout (but no visible network or cpu/mem load issue). As there are no other complex solutions like IPA it's quite hard decide what to use as a replacement, but right now it's seems that we have no other option and we probably switch to simple openldap and missing functionality cover by puppet and some 2factor solution. We don't need anything special, no dns handling, no certificates, no AD connection, just simple servers/clients, users with groups and rules for access/sudo. Multimaster (with DNS SRV) solution for higher performance and reliability would be nice, but not necessary if we can keep it stable and handle more clients registration. We have tens of users/groups, hundreds servers/clients with random registration burst as we use it also for temp. build environments and OpenStack instances. Oficial support from RedHat is not very helpful, also they don't provide any real training for IPA, so only option is mail conference (very helpful, thanks for that) and tones of documentation/examples for variety of versions, but for such complex thing probably not enough for commercial use. IMHO, there's no official support from Red Hat on FreeIPA, I was though it was community support. If you wanna official support or real training for IdM (Identity Management) from Red Hat, go to https://access.redhat.com/products/Identity_Management Can I ask you for your opinion ? Vasek -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go to http://freeipa.org for more info on the project
