Re: [Freetel-codec2] Are we being distracted by LPCnet

2020-07-27 Thread Al Beard
Hi all, > If you go to Silicon Valley and ask around, I'd be surprised if there aren't > 2-3 big companies using Codec2 internally for some project or research. > There is at least one major radio manufacturer using FreeDV (Flexradio). The documentation on the Flexradio website is from 2016,

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Are we being distracted by LPCnet

2020-07-25 Thread glen english
IMO You wont attract too many FM people to 700D, LPCnet-C2  can win over those , at least in terms of voice quality and robustness (compared to DSTAR, and DMR is really more like CB) , given that LPCnet with a relatively simple modem can be 12dB ahead of FM. Needs a frequency hopping radio

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Are we being distracted by LPCnet

2020-07-25 Thread glen english
Hi Adrian Good  rational points you make. BTW:AD9361, AD9371, ADRV9008 are all "sub-optimal" (I have to be nice to my ADI friends) for narrow band work. too noisy, insufficient dynamic range. But this new one is worth looking at (I have info on it on NDA) here is the (public) pre release

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Are we being distracted by LPCnet

2020-07-25 Thread Adrian Musceac
Free software is not popular at all among end users and it will probably never be as popular as closed software. Instead, free software is incredibly popular and successful for enterprise users and companies. Right now, from the largest 8 software companies in the world, only one does not

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Are we being distracted by LPCnet

2020-07-24 Thread Brian Bartholomew via Freetel-codec2
> I think this is especially true when it comes to open source and > community development. Squeezing into a tight performance envelope > requires a lot of tedious optimization and the result is brittle and > not easy to modify and experiment with because there isn't any room > left. All that

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Are we being distracted by LPCnet

2020-07-24 Thread Greg Maxwell
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:23 AM Al Beard wrote: > Hi all, > > Am I right? > > Mode 2020 needs a lot of CPU power eg. AVX/AVX2 to work. > > All the other codecs and modems (modes) run well on the > STM32 series and almost any Pi or clone. > > So, can our experts explain the real usefulness of

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Are we being distracted by LPCnet

2020-07-24 Thread Glen English
LPC net can work on a Pi etc the GRU functions need splitting into 4 threads (if  four cores) So that NEON is utilized on the four cores. then, no problem. Some thought needs to be put into array access order to minimise cache misses, which I suspect hurts ALOT. glen On 25/07/2020 10:21,

[Freetel-codec2] Are we being distracted by LPCnet

2020-07-24 Thread Al Beard
Hi all, Am I right? Mode 2020 needs a lot of CPU power eg. AVX/AVX2 to work. All the other codecs and modems (modes) run well on the STM32 series and almost any Pi or clone. So, can our experts explain the real usefulness of LPCnet? Would we do better thinking on compressing, say the 700D