Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - Nah, Steve. I am going to rain on this parade. Sorry. I wondered what that splashing/drizzling was all about! Thanks a lot! For years we all had our inseams measured without accusing tailors of homophilia. There is nothing inherently undignified in the search except that

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve, I agree with everything you say about fascism. Yours not a rant. Just an exact description of what is happening. But I am NOT clear why nudity is the bottom line. (};-]) We are absolutely passive until we find ourselves in the showers and are asked to take our clothes off?

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - You are spot on again... too bad we'll be drinking your share of the bourbon tonight! I agree with everything you say about fascism. Yours not a rant. Just an exact description of what is happening. the very best kind of rant, the undeniable ones! But I am NOT clear why nudity

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Douglas Roberts
What a *clever* idea. I can just see the headlines: Salami-equipped terrorist thwarted at the Albuquerque International Airport. I suppose the only remaining question is: should we use Italian hard salami, or something less threatening... On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Steve Smith

Re: [FRIAM] TSA, security technology, and opting out

2010-11-21 Thread Parks, Raymond
Do you realize that you are exempt just by being Amish? I meet Amish folks on the train every trip. From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 10:24 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' friam@redfish.com Subject: Re:

[FRIAM] usb digital microscopes

2010-11-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
H'lo everybody, Does anybody have any hands-on experience with purchasing a digital usb microscope for a child? EVERYBODY seems to be making these things now and the prices range from 50 to a thousand dollars. It seems like a REALLY great opportunity to get ripped off. No clear

Re: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread Russell Gonnering
Because we are unwilling to do the only sane thing and profile behavior, we sacrifice our liberty on the altar of political correctness. So, fellow FRIAMers, when they start doing rectal exams to find the concealed explosives, what will our response be then? What about the surgically implanted

Re: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread Pamela McCorduck
As a New Yorker, this has been an interesting thread to read. A well- timed subway bomb--conventional, firebomb, or poison bomb, as in Tokyo a decade or so ago--could wreak much more damage in terms of people it affects, than anything that you can do with a single plane. I do not notice

Re: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread Owen Densmore
I'd love to know what the risk-benifit trade off is. Do we harass 10^6 people at a cost of $10^9 for one discovery of note, one which would stop an air-bomb? As I understand it, the best info is not scanners etc but community members reporting suspicious behavior. Maybe we should ask help

Re: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread Parks, Raymond
Are we not scientists, engineers, mathematician, or interested inthose fields? What is the best measure of effectiveness here? How about bombs caught per billion dollars? Or bombs caught per billion passenger hours wasted? By either measure, TSA has a bIg fat zero. All of the bombs caught have

Re: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread Carl Tollander
Do we harass 10^6 people at a cost of $10^9 for one discovery of note, one which would stop an air-bomb? Isn't that the terrorist's victory condition?If so, they don't need to blow anything up anymore; it's way more cost-effective for them to just publicly fail periodically. Carl On

Re: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks, Peter. I think you are right about this. N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of plissa...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:34 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely I have followed

Re: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Russell, I don't think profiling needs to be politically incorrect. N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gonnering Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:58 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM]

Re: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Profiling, in the traditional sense is always politically incorrect, and should remain that way. Targeted searches, as in, a no-fly list, is not profiling, and makes perfect sense. Of course, given that we can't even get that right. Frankly, if we were profiling, it would be based on whether or

[FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread plissaman
I have followed the correspondence on enhanced scanning with usual mixture of shock and incredulity.   Do people object because it’s offensive or because it’s ineffective?   It would be unpleasant but, for me, unpleasanter to be blown up by a device that had avoided the enhanced scanner.  

Re: [FRIAM] More Light, Less Touchy-Feely

2010-11-21 Thread Carl Tollander
And what will be in that profile? The bemused smile, the desperate poker face, the jaded look of resignation, perhaps any attempt at humor? Perhaps you did not pay your credit card bill this month, or are behind in your party dues? Maybe you know too much about spiders,

Re: [FRIAM] usb digital microscopes

2010-11-21 Thread Stephen Guerin
Hi Nick, We have the $30 Bionic Eye with our kids. It was basically a 200x CMOS camera that put out an NTSC signal to the TV. I strongly recommend it. Though I played with it more than they :-)

Re: [FRIAM] usb digital microscopes

2010-11-21 Thread James Steiner
Here is a page of Rob Cockerham's* experience with the Eyeclops: http://www.cockeyed.com/science/eyeclops/eyeclops.shtml * Of How Much is Inside, etc. ~~James www.turtlezero.com On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Stephen Guerin stephen.gue...@redfish.comwrote: Hi Nick, We have the $30

Re: [FRIAM] usb digital microscopes

2010-11-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks for your thoughts on this, Steve. You have opened up a whole new front, here. I assume you can't see paramecium in pond water with these things. I think I may have to get off that. What about yeast growing? Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com]