Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Arlo Barnes
That is kind of like asking What am I missing by not attending live music shows?. Perhaps nothing, if it turns out you would not have liked the music anyway, but perhaps you would have and it would have given you some enjoyment. I do not play computer games often enough to want to call myself a

Re: [FRIAM] Greek Crisis Philosophy

2015-07-05 Thread Gary Schiltz
It doesn't work in the United States because we are waiting for the soccer match to finish, and wondering why the football game never starts. On Sunday, July 5, 2015, Robert J. Cordingley rob...@cirrillian.com wrote: As part of my continuing search for understanding how the world works and

Re: [FRIAM] Greek Crisis Philosophy

2015-07-05 Thread Frank Wimberly
Quite funny. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jul 5, 2015 5:06 PM, Robert J. Cordingley rob...@cirrillian.com wrote: As part of my continuing search for understanding how the world works and the role of philosophy... 1st question: It's been pointed out in a recent

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
Arlo writes: “It is not some secret mystical human experience, nor does it have to be some weird pop-culture cult, but just another way to spend some free time.” I suppose the distinction I’m making is between open vs. closed or leading vs. following. With so much unknown in the world, why

[FRIAM] Greek Crisis Philosophy

2015-07-05 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
As part of my continuing search for understanding how the world works and the role of philosophy... 1st question: It's been pointed out in a recent Washington Post article

Re: [FRIAM] Greek Crisis Philosophy

2015-07-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
When it comes to U.S. revenue vs. spending, perhaps some states in the red (as opposed to red states!) should worry about getting cut off by Washington? Now, New Mexico has a certain amount of visibility to Washington, but what about Mississippi, Alabama and Kentucky? One might imagine North

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Nick Thompson
Dear Friammers, I am late to this conversation but it has just impinged on something I have been thinking about a LOT. I used to be sure that there was a firm distinction between productive labor and … to use the technical term … bullshit. Growing food and making automobile engines were

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: It seems to me that in the discussion we are having, the word entertainment cannot go undefined. How do you tell the difference between entertainment and productive work you enjoy. That it makes a profit? Suppose individuals are represented by nodes on a graph, each positioned

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Gary Schiltz
My god, it’s full of…. BULLSHIT! Well, making things and growing food are great, but it would be a lot less interesting world if that’s all we did. Certainly Santa Fe would be. Gary [husband of an artist] On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Gary Schiltz
Well, you’re in good company here :-) Actually, I also distinguish between “the useful stuff” that we do and the less useful, but I suspect that both are necessary. We're complex creatures that become bored doing only the useful stuff, and our brains need for us to do “the fun stuff” too. Maybe

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Nick Thompson
But Gary! How do you make that distinction ... the difference between the innocent useless and the harmful useless? I took a whack at that in the article I sent, but I never felt I nailed it. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Nick Thompson
Marcus, It seems to me that in the discussion we are having, the word entertainment cannot go undefined. How do you tell the difference between entertainment and productive work you enjoy. That it makes a profit? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread cody dooderson
This is a very interesting subject. I often wonder if Im doing anything useful for society and/or the universe. I think the answer is probably no, but the future is notoriously hard to predict. It seems like most useful inventions are born from silly fascinations. For instance, fire was probably

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Nick Thompson
So's my wife! And I love her dearly! And after all, I made my living studying the behavior of crows. I enjoy bull shit and bullshitters. But still, Gary, are you committed to the notion that there is no useful distinction to be made between bullshit and productive labor? And is there

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
Well, I guess I have to play devil's advocate to myself. Being a gamer is `valuable' like being a fast crossword puzzle solver or a sprinter. It pushes the boundary of human potential in a way that can be compared. It is hard to compete art, or even science, because the mechanisms aren't

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

2015-07-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
are you committed to the notion that there is no useful distinction to be made between bullshit and productive labor? I suggest that there are at least two definitions of useful. 1) profitable and 2) useful as a tool to do other desirable things.Any creative person knows that #2 can