Re: [FRIAM] Ukraine import/exports

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
$15.3B for Ukraine/China compared to $82.9B for Russia/China. To put in perspective, U.S. trade with Canada is $581B and U.S./China is $635B. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_Russia

[FRIAM] Ukraine import/exports

2022-03-03 Thread Tom Johnson
Not sure of 6 data source, but the difference between China and Russia is interesting. https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-ukraines-top-trading-partners-and-products/ === Tom Johnson Inst. for Analytic Journalism Santa Fe, New Mexico 505-577-6482

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
I guess I'd approach it by trying to see what gender means to people decoupled from society and decoupled from sex. To the laity, I think it probably has something to do what team you are on, and the implicit rules of the teams and whether one respects them or disrespects them.Changing

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread glen
Biologists are NOT held to a higher standard. But when they do just go on speaking without ever listening, then they deserve some pushback. In this particular context, there was no bad faith on either side. But one of the biologists is accusing bad faith on the part of the non-cis people. As

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
It seems to me it is like a paper where some symbol is used without introduction, but it becomes clear from context and reflection. Not clear why a biologist should be held to a higher standard for explaining themselves when speaking to the laity. I mean their reality feels real to them so

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread glen
The jargon being used by the biologist came in the form of "male", "female", "gametes", and such. "Male" and "female", when used by the biologists means something very different from what it means to the laity. And the biologists should know that. If they don't, they're stupid. If they do, but

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
The distinction I'd make is between talking about identity in principle and talking about the details of my identity.That's not a question of jargon, but of detachment. Jargon is a tool for detachment. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread glen
Maybe. But I don't think it's generosity that's required. I think it's humility that's required. Anyone who both engages a group of strangers about identity *and* identifies in a non-standard way is already demonstrating that they're not too damaged. Or, I'd turn the tables and say that the

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < I think they're just defense mechanisms they've learned over years of abuse. > The defense mechanisms could be more like acquired allergies and do harm. Once one is dealing with reflexive mechanisms, I start to worry that a conversation is not possible. Because they would

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread glen
Yeah, that's a good take. It also helps in distinguishing between reflexive defense mechanisms and cryptic character traits. Where me and the biologist who felt shut down disagree is in the interpretation of the non-cis participants word and body language choices. He thinks they're reflections

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
Hmm. Another experience I have had while deconstructing someone with "charged feelings" is coming to the ought-to-be-obvious recognition that neither of us care about the other, but nonetheless the counterparty who feels compelled to share their boring feelings believes it is my job to

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread glen
Ha! No, I was making a point about freedom of speech, in particularly "academic" speech, and canceling or shutting down others. Sorry if my anecdote got in the way. I pared it down for you below. On 3/3/22 12:16, Marcus Daniels wrote: Anyway, I guess you were making some point about people

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
The declare-your-pronouns thing seems to me to be about narrativity and social perceptions. I know two very intelligent people who transitioned in mid-life. One completely makes sense to me and seems happy now. The other is constantly bickering about the words people to use to address her,

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-03 Thread Sarbajit Roy
She almost definitely doesn't represent "Russia" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpB721W1l34=1122s On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 4:56 AM glen wrote: > This video brings home, to me, the inherent conflict with "do what it > takes to ...": > > I'm Russian I want the rest of the world to hear me out >

[FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-03 Thread glen
Obviously, I'm either procrastinating or unclear on how best to do actual work today because here is yet another thing I meant to talk about with someone, anyone, awhile back: https://patrioticmillionaires.org/about/ A salon participant recently asked whether "greed" was our most nefarious

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread glen
I doubt there are any hard and fast answers. But my predisposition is, as I've stated before in other contexts, some of us are more narrative-driven than others. I've known cis-resistant people who don't care, seemingly at all, about where they might land on a spectrum or not. Most of them

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
So, what's a hypothesis for a strong affinity toward a non-cis gender? I can see that gender is arbitrary, but why non-arbitrary and the opposite? Sure, I'd be interested it taking other forms and experiencing life with different frames and sensors. The imposition of one identity by birth

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread glen
Yes! We had a particularly explosive conversation at the pub salon a couple of weeks ago. The context is that everyone who attended was easily classified as "liberal", though some leaned pretty far right in some slices of their culture (guns, hunting, political correctness, etc.). Two of the

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread Prof David West
"Academic Freedom" is an issue that I would love to discuss in the tavern sometime. My side of the conversation would necessarily be personal—based on 25 years as a professor; ten years at a conservative Catholic University and fifteen years at public universities in New Mexico. Lot's of

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-03 Thread Prof David West
Send the Ukraine a ton or two of gold bullion along with a Rolodex of mercenary forces with the ability to acquire black market armaments, perhaps Chinese or North Korean in origin. Then sit back and watch. Some care would need to be taken that the mercenary forces are not ones that we used in

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
Climate and health issues are written on these signs, and they remain very controversial. And the asphalt industry is getting a massive injection of money, ( https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/19/us/politics/infrastructure-plan-asphalt.html ) in part because we can't talk about changing (e.g.

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-03 Thread glen
[sigh] It's not hedonism. Beer is food. Potholes are infrastructure. If you think food and infrastructure are hedonism, then you've got too much money. As I said, food, health, shelter, climate, infrastructure, etc. these things are better foundations for conversation than whatever nonsense is

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
So you think the antifa will care about the actual beer, but just not talking about it? I don't think I agree that everything can be boiled down to hedonism. There are other dimensions of personality (e.g. love of dogs) that might bypass other disagreements, but I don't think they are

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-03 Thread glen
Yeah, I'm not sure I buy the rhetoric that NATO countries can't directly engage Russian forces because of the risks associated with world war or nuclear war. But I'm too ignorant to play that game at that level. My sentiment is the US should just take out that convoy. "Bring it on," I guess.

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
< We won't win the socio-cultural or climate war that way. We need tactics that unify the geographically/politically *perforated* in-group as a network, not according to artificial nationalist citizenhood and such. > There's a targeted way to stop attacks on Ukrainian cities, and that's with

[FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-03 Thread glen
Here's why I think the Academic Freedom Alliance (and similar things like the Heterodox Academy) are bullshit [⛧]: In a defamation lawsuit, the hype around digital health clashes with scientific criticism https://www.statnews.com/2022/03/02/health-fertility-thermometer-valley-polis/ There's a

Re: [FRIAM] war footing

2022-03-03 Thread glen
OK. I don't disagree with any of that. But I still think it's somehow "flat" or "surface" tactics only. Thanks to Tom for the Meduza link, this story also targets the problem: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/02/why-no-mass-protests-in-russia Similar to the link off Cody's post, where you