Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes, "Anyway, my point is basically that even the majority-vs-minority conception is in the domain of Light. To be Dark means appreciating the entire (occult) mechanism, but especially focusing on the rarely used pathways." I'll distinguish between popular and powerful pathways. A re

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread glen
On 06/29/2015 10:43 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Discovery of better models can invalidate consensus and orthodoxy. This leads to vested interests being threatened and disruption. A typical response to this is to isolate the disrupter. Tying them to stake and burning them is one way. Another

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
"If that's what you mean, then, yeah, OK. However, I prefer to call it Chaos Magick or the Left-Hand Path. It's not dark ... just creepy. " Discovery of better models can invalidate consensus and orthodoxy. This leads to vested interests being threatened and disruption. A typical response t

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread glen
On 06/27/2015 01:11 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I'm left wondering if said darkness is a zero=sum and what the externalities of such maunderings are? I admit there is a sense that sentiment is zero-sum, the intuitive sense that if you have a really positive response to some stimulus, then you can'

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread Steve Smith
Nick wrote: Glen wrote No. I think the bulk of non-zero sum gains are a result of co-evolution of competing scrutiny, the exploitation of niches the players stumbled upon together. I.e. they're really zero-sum games where the externalities aren't recognized by the players. And in that sense,

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread gepr
ent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 12:12 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat? > > On 06/26/2015 04:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > CBS or Comcast cover that, but also the evening news. In various > situatio

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread Steve Smith
glen ep ropella wrote: On 06/26/2015 04:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: CBS or Comcast cover that, but also the evening news. In various situations such conglomerates may find it in their interest to present information in ways that benefit their bottom line, even to audiences that are above t

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread Nick Thompson
al Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ep ropella Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 12:12 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat? On 06/26/2015 04:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > CBS or Comca

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread glen ep ropella
On 06/26/2015 04:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > CBS or Comcast cover that, but also the evening news. In various situations > such conglomerates may find it in their interest to present information in > ways that benefit their bottom line, even to audiences that are above the > least common de

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread Nick Thompson
Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat? That scratch in my surface jumps me back, yet again, to the postmodern

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
"Yeah but that process will tend toward the least common denominator. It's why we end up with silly infotainment news programs that emphasize the weather forecast and cute pictures of kids on their birthday." CBS or Comcast cover that, but also the evening news. In various situations such con

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread glen
On 06/26/2015 03:21 PM, Steve Smith wrote:> Maybe a restatement of Glen's point would be: Misinformation and disinformation are a given: How we manage our trust is the challenge. Well, not quite. I would have said that trust is an unreachable limit. (And distrust should also be an

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
``That person also could have said something like "People have diverse methods for deciding what online content to trust", which would also been more useful. It would imply that some of us are gullible and some of us are skeptical. But I think what they really meant was "People are not very di

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread Steve Smith
and what to let slide? -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat? That scratch i

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread glen
On 06/26/2015 02:55 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Are there not more and less risky sources? If you have source that provides you with high-quality, predictive information, over and over and they are right, should not that individual be allowed less scrutiny than a person that has no track reco

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat? That scratch in my surface jumps me back, yet again, to the postmodern point: Beware of the online war of propaganda http://news.usc.edu/82853/beware-of-the-war-of-propaganda-taking-place-online/ > “People normally trust online content,” said Farshad Ko

[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-25 Thread glen e. p. ropella
That scratch in my surface jumps me back, yet again, to the postmodern point: Beware of the online war of propaganda http://news.usc.edu/82853/beware-of-the-war-of-propaganda-taking-place-online/ “People normally trust online content,” said Farshad Kooti, one of the Ph.D. candidates at USC Vi