I think I confused folks: the reference to europe's DSL change being 2
weeks after USA was just an example. Steve Smith: thanks for making me
recall the north/south difference as well.
I just gotta think we have to
- Change times at the same date universally
- Just stick with standard time
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] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
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I think I confused folks: the reference to europe's
this evening. ETC.
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*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen
Densmore
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Sorry to bump, but now *another* DST fkup: Europe does not change DST when
the US does.
So today our skype Italian class was shifted, and both Dede and I had to
cancel scheduled events.
If we have to live with time changes, we should at least try to make it
global, we're a pretty global
Owen-
Sorry to bump, but now *another* DST fkup: Europe does not change DST
when the US does.
So today our skype Italian class was shifted, and both Dede and I had
to cancel scheduled events.
If we have to live with time changes, we should at least try to make
it global, we're a pretty
Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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Sorry to bump, but now *another* DST fkup: Europe does not change DST when
the US does.
So today our skype Italian class was shifted, and both
Arlo -
You sed:
the general goal behind all of those specific purposes is to align
more closely the clock day with the light day. For example, a clock
says 0600; how light is it outside? Is it dawn? Earlier? Later? Well,
that changes throughout the year because the Earth is tilted. It would
I do not think it a bad idea, to get hit upside the head, perhaps, say,
twice a year, with the notion that was lives on a planet, not a treadmill.
It is at least an opportunity to occasionally discuss astronomy twice a
year with those who might otherwise remain aloof. The days get longer,
Steve, thank you for linking the WikiMedia Commons SVG, I like vector
graphics, particularly ones that are also infographics.
However, it does not display what is really going on with DST. Although
everybody has stories about how it came about and was implemented and why
(for factories, for gas
I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why
not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people
use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even
physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign
I like it! Assuming spherical cows .. i.e. an hour's shift twice a year
(although they are not symmetric .. more days of DST than std time) .. we'd
shift 60 seconds per 6 months or 10sec/month or roughly .33 sec/day.
The asymmetry would make things fairly non-linear, but easily computable
and
There was a time when every village had their clock tower in the square
and they set it as the town elders saw fit and adjusted it similarly.
No NNTP, no WWV Radio, only the (constantly shifting around) Sun, Moon,
Stars. You wanna know what time it is? Look out the window toward the
But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There
are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do
not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost?
I have to say I prefer light later in the day though.
--joshua
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But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve?
There are lots of stories about it rooted
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But is the time change even needed? What purpose does
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote:
But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve?
There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But
these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the
I like daylight savings. Gives another point of semi-regularity to my year.
-tj
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote:
But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really
Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time
shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long
(my preference) or "standard time" is to be decided.
I'm not sure anyone (at our latitude) is
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Daylight_Saving_Time_3.svg
Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting
during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference)
or standard time is to be decided.
I'm not sure anyone (at our latitude) is
I like daylight savings too, because I like listening to people bitch about
it.
--Doug
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com wrote:
I like daylight savings. Gives another point of semi-regularity to my
year.
-tj
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Owen Densmore
I too like DST -- mainly because it stays light later in the evening and
dark later in the morning. Strange, this is what it was supposed to
accomplish. It actually works. Why change it?
*-- Russ Abbott*
*_*
*** Professor, Computer Science*
*
For some of us with a already wonky metabalism we don't need help with it
being more wonky by some extremely dead person for gigles I hit wikiepedia
with DST and the list is at this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dst
For those using plain text:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dst
work safe.
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On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM
:39 PM
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...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen
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On Fri, Mar 15, 2013
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On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote:
But is the time change even needed
Rolling in shit is highly underrated.
On Mar 15, 2013 6:08 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
D-
I feel both insulted, and flattered. I can live with that.
hardly... I can hear you rolling in it (like a dog in an animal carcass)
from 8 miles away! ;)
Sorry to be so cranky. I am
Rolling in shit is highly underrated.
Oh yeh... dogs like to do that too!
Mine can do some amazing shoulder rolls at full gallop when she comes
across something.
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On Mar 15, 2013 6:23 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
Rolling in shit is highly underrated.
Oh yeh... dogs like to do that too!
Mine can do some amazing shoulder rolls at full gallop when she comes
across something.
Its not artificial when my alarm goes off in the morning!
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Parks, Raymond rcpa...@sandia.gov wrote:
Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory
that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward,
never back. Is
Only to human beings.
On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Parks, Raymond rcpa...@sandia.gov wrote:
Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that
events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never
back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time
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