Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svIXTDeZzDg -Original Message- From: Marcus Daniels Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:31 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns I remember

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On 06/13/2016 03:31 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Anyone know what it is? I tried some obvious sci-fi authors but came up with > nothing. It wasn't a particularly sci-fi movie, but more about not giving > up responsibility to others, in this case a machine. The only thing I could think of was

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

I remember seeing a movie when I was in grade school about a computer that counselled citizens about their everyday challenges.In the end the computer basically commits suicide. It wasn't a mainstream movie but something (I suspect) recommended to teachers at the time (late 70s, maybe it

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

"Now we will build you an endlessly upward world..." https://youtu.be/F7P2ViCRObs ( written from the POV of an AI (if that's even possible)) Speaking of robot overlords, after listening to this starting to think that trade agreements are less about trade than about big data. C On

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

s/white guys playing basketball/scientists without engineers around/ http://www.thewrap.com/snoop-dogg-explains-the-hizzistory-of-bizzasketball-to-jimmy-kimmel-viewers-video/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On 06/10/2016 11:22 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Bah. I'll see your "You kids get off my lawn" and raise you a "Save it just keep it off my wave" .. In particular David Brooks can save it.. That's kinda how I feel when I go to museums. My postmodernist homunculi start thrashing around

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

`` I have no idea, which is why I called it "faith" and hand-waved toward the inadequate closures of our current machines. '' Bah. I'll see your "You kids get off my lawn" and raise you a "Save it just keep it off my wave" .. In particular David Brooks can save it.. Marcus

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Heh, I'd forgotten about Golgafrincham. It's funny because it's true! The problem lies with the permeable and dynamic boundaries of all these things. And "symbiont" captures the fuzziness of the boundaries quite well. As we've argued till we're blue, _general_ intelligence may well be

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

If some subset of humanity build a general artificial intelligence, and that intelligence takes over, or leaves, I don't see what gut biomes or ISIS matter. Nor do I see why wonkiness (w.r.t. Glen's last e-mail) must occur within a (sub)population of cybernetic or genetically engineered

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On 06/10/2016 09:05 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > They wouldn't do a Mars One (one way) trip. They are thriving in this > environment. Only `weird' people would do that. There are other options > for people that are willing to take risks. But in Elysium case, yes. That's a good point.

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

`` I'll not only consider them. I'll be in the front of the line ... as long as they let lower middle class morons like me in the line at all. I suspect it'll be packed with Trumps, Musks, Thiels, and Bransons. '' They wouldn't do a Mars One (one way) trip. They are thriving in this

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On 06/10/2016 08:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > That "we" entered into the discussion is arbitrary (Steve started with that, > I think), and further the statement is tautological. Heh, no, it's not tautological. It relies on the ambiguity of the word (perhaps concept) "we". You're right that

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

``But one article of faith I'm having a hard time killing is that if _we_ go anywhere (including across some abstract singularity as well as to Mars), we'll _all_ have to go, or at least some kernel of us with a chance of growing into a robust ecosystem.'' That "we" entered into the discussion

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On 06/09/2016 08:26 PM, Carl wrote: > One might do well to remember that we are symbionts (a Good Thing), so, > transcendence for who or what? Excellent question! It's pretty easy to trash faith in various contexts. I do my best to hunt it down and eradicate it in my own world view. But one

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Hmm, ok, there's the "gene drive" issue. You could, say, get rid of mosquitoes, but there may be side effects, eg malaria finds a different more effective vector. One could also imagine other nasty things one could do to the microbiome (or other fast-reproducing short lived bits of our

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Glen - I do believe we *will* and *have been* outdriving our headlights, and it is part of the "manifest destiny" of being human, maybe mammal/warm-blooded/vertibrate/fauna/life? It *might be* a necessary property of evolved life to innovate "grandly"... where "grandly" is a relative term.

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

``In major metropolises like New York City, the introduction of the internal combustion engine cleared the majority of the "disease-causing" horse manure buildup in the streets (daily!) and it took 50 or more years for the replacement consequences to come home to roost.'' Speaking of which..

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On 6/8/16 12:27 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: `` I'm pretty much a luddite myself, or at least "conservative" in the sense of believing that we are outdriving our headlights on many fronts.'' Experiments can be risky but sometimes they pay off..

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

I like this idea, Glen. Don't necessarily agree, but it's worth examining. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:53 AM, glen ☣ wrote: > >> On 06/08/2016 11:27 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> `` I'm pretty much a luddite myself, or at least "conservative" in the sense

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On 06/08/2016 11:27 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > `` I'm pretty much a luddite myself, or at least "conservative" in the sense > of believing that we are outdriving our headlights on many fronts.'' > > Experiments can be risky but sometimes they pay off.. The deeper point, I think, is that we not

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

`` I'm pretty much a luddite myself, or at least "conservative" in the sense of believing that we are outdriving our headlights on many fronts.'' Experiments can be risky but sometimes they pay off.. http://discovermagazine.com/2010/mar/07-dr-drank-broth-gave-ulcer-solved-medical-mystery

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

``I can't help but wonder about our conceptual need for "digital" abstractions.'' For example, quantum calculations can be performed on digital computer, or by an artificial system made up of superconducting Josephson junctions, or observed in crystal structures.There are tradeoffs between

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

If you meant to say that our conception of programming (as opposed to understanding of programming). Along the same lines, I just ran across this: http://www.erights.org/elib/capability/ode/overview.html "Just as the digital logic gate abstraction allows digital circuit designers to create

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

"The problem is this unjustified dichotomy between machine and biology." There isn't engineering practice in place for developing programmable nanomachines in the way there is for fabricating circuits, but biology demonstrates it is possible. It could be we work from the bottom, learning how

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

What a Panopoly of responses (or is it more of a Plethora?) on this topic here. I can't begin to respond to the many very interesting and thoughtful points made here. This general topic (the existential implications of the co-evolution of humans and technology, the "extended phenotype" as

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On 06/05/2016 02:22 PM, Robert Wall wrote: > This one, titled "Where do minds belong? > > (Mar > 2016)" discusses the technological roadblocks in an insightful, highly > speculative, but entertaining manner.

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On 06/06/2016 02:22 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > https://medium.com/utopia-for-realists/why-do-the-poor-make-such-poor-decisions-f05d84c44f1a > was interesting, vis a vis what happens when you just give poor people > money. Excerpt: > So in concrete terms, just how much dumber does poverty make

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

“Transhumanism is a great Sci-Fi narrative, but not a good bet for us in the long run.” Well, http://www.nature.com/articles/srep22555 http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/06/01/science.aaf6850.full FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Hi Marcus or Robot Overload, Tongue in cheek: How about early "retirement" packages to benefit the surviving families? I certainly may have to consider this myself for my kids' and grandkids' survival if the "offer" comes about. But I am retired and not displaced ... but I may still seem like

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

If I were a robot overlord, and I didn’t want to look after 7 billion humans as pets, I’d start offering advanced medicine and genetic enhancements to “early users”, esp. the rich and powerful. The results of these could be things like open-ended lifespan (ongoing repairs to aging bodies) and

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Getting back to Tom's original theme about how AI is driving change, let's examine that further, but now integrating in some of the other thoughts in this thread such as: on the hegemonic nature of AI-- proprietary or open source; or the societal impact of AI on the workforce--requisite skills

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

https://medium.com/utopia-for-realists/why-do-the-poor-make-such-poor-decisions-f05d84c44f1a was interesting, vis a vis what happens when you just give poor people money. -- rec -- On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I suspect a universal basic income

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

I suspect a universal basic income is a requirement for people to _not_ seek an idle life.If people can't count on food, shelter, and health care, they probably can't engage in anything in a substantial way.On the other hand, saving the people that could do substantial things (and by

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

On that note, I found this article interesting: A Universal Basic Income Is a Poor Tool to Fight Poverty http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/business/economy/universal-basic-income-poverty.html?_r=0 One of the interesting dynamics I've noticed is when I argue about the basic income with people

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Hi Pamela, While open source gives some transparency, our direction is to move toward more distributed AI where our data is not given to a centralized authority before the AI is applied. Rather, we think that the AI should be more out at the edge of the network with our

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Roger, Can artificial flowers learn? Are you on your boat, yet? Beautiful day on Massachusetts bay! See http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-vis.html By the way, in support of your aphorism “layers of the atmosphere don’t mix” which I have been chewing on ever since you

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

The field of AI itself has had a major project underway for a couple of years to address these issues. It’s called AI 100, and is funded by one of the wealthy founders of the field, Eric Horowitz at Microsoft. The headquarters of this project are at Stanford University. It is funded for a

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Nah, we’re just a media for representing knowledge. Not a obviously a very efficient one, either. I mean, wasting all that time in school, only to forget much of it and then hopefully become a professional expert in some tiny area. And a lot of people won’t even accomplish that, but

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Well, my interpretation of Pamela's concern would have more to do with [bio]diversity than it does some form of naive extinction threat. In previous posts, I've outlined my skepticism that (complicated) open source is any less opaque to understanding than proprietary sources because the

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

There is a large group of distinguished people including Elon Musk, Stephen Hawking, Bill Joy and Martin Rees, who believe that AI is an existential threat and the probability of the human race surviving another 100 years is less than 50/50. Stephen Hawking has said he has no idea what to do

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Parnas was on the faculty with my husband at CMU back in the day. He was known as “the department’s conscience.” Except, Joe said, how can you be considered the conscience when you’re against everything? Everything whatsoever? He was eventually let go, went to, uh, Dortmund as I recall, then

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

"Artificial intelligence has the same relation to intelligence as artificial flowers have to flowers." -- David Parnas Which is even funnier now than it was in 70's or 80's when first said, because artificial flowers have become more and more amazing over the decades. -- rec -- On Sun, Jun 5,

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Robert: Thanks for the pointers at the end of your remarks to the interesting articles. I wonder, too, if someone could come up with parallel "paragon websites." That is, here's WebMD. and displayed alongside the "best" critics or alternatives to that site. TJ

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

I have some grave concerns about AI being concentrated in the hands of a few big firms—Google, FaceBook, Amazon, and so on. Elon Musk says the answer is open sourcing, but I’m skeptical. That said, I’d be interested in hearing other people’s solutions. Then again, you may not think it’s a

Re: [FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

Hi Tom, Interesting article about Google and their foray [actually a Blitzkrieg, as they are buying up all of the brain trust in this area] into the world of machine learning presumably to improve the search customer experience. Could their efforts actually have unintended consequences for both

[FRIAM] Fascinating article on how AI is driving change in SEO, categories of AI and the Law of Accelerating Returns

See http://techcrunch.com/2016/06/04/artificial-intelligence-is-changing-seo-faster-than-you-think/?ncid=tcdaily Among other points: "...why doing regression analysis over every site,