Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent > "I *did* enjoy hearing Chomsky answer this question at a NAFTA talk in ABQ 15 > years ago with the simple statement "Socially R

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I started an answer about what Chomsky meant, I think he means that if you choose to align your interests with the property owners, there is no way you can redeem yourself, you are on the side of government protecting the property holders' rights against everyone else, that first, and whatever

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"I *did* enjoy hearing Chomsky answer this question at a NAFTA talk in ABQ 15 years ago with the simple statement "Socially Responsible Investing is a contradiction in terms". There was a loud titter among the roughly 50% students and a deafening silence among the other 50%

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Maybe something like this: https://promarket.org/are-we-all-rent-seeking-investors/ "One question may even loom larger: given that more and more Americans’ pensions and long-term savings today are invested in the stock market in defined contribution schemes, have we created a pension model

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TIAA has several mutual funds that may be of interest. https://www.tiaa.org/public/investment-performance Look for the phrase "Social Choice" in the title of the fund. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jan 26, 2017 1:58 PM, "glen ☣" wrote: I'd love to hear

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

"I *did* enjoy hearing Chomsky answer this question at a NAFTA talk in ABQ 15 years ago with the simple statement "Socially Responsible Investing is a contradiction in terms". There was a loud titter among the roughly 50% students and a deafening silence among the other 50%

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I'd love to hear people chime in on this. I've tried to find ways to invest the tiny amount of my retirement contributions in places/things that I care about. I've failed miserably. I finally gave up and put some money into this: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/COEAX?ltr=1 I'm slowly

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Speaking of Investing: I suspect that more than a few folks here have significant financial assets. I'm wondering what people believe here about "socially responsible investing". About NOW seems like a good time to (re)evaluate any such strategies? I *did* enjoy hearing Chomsky answer this

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Vladimyr writes: "Really would parallel processing make even the least detectable difference or was the term thrown in to just scare the crap out of everyone..." Local genotype search, as advocated especially by racists, supposes that fit solutions have already been found, and should receive

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Heh, very nice! Yes, it used to be the case that the computational task was too great, which lead some to throw up their hands and just get high. But as Marcus pointed out earlier in the thread, we have new tech that might stand a chance. And why shouldn't neoliberals have the chance to evolve

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rom: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: January-23-17 3:10 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent On 01/23/2017 12:44 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > That's the collateral damage of th

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Glen writes: "Neoliberalism is simply the idea that any full exploration of the phenotype requires parallel processing." Hmm. I had thought of neoliberalism as being more controlled and centralized rather than less controlled compared to liberalism in general, but I think you are right. It

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On 01/23/2017 12:44 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > That's the collateral damage of the republicans. Neoliberals protect the > very strong and the very weak, avoid existential threats to the collective, > while ignoring those that ought to be able to carry on, even though they feel > they should

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"The neo part is because pure liberalism takes the needs and wants of everyone into account. We neoliberals regret the collateral damage that is poverty, death, starvation, epidemic, etc. but we really only measure success by the top X% of the pyramid. That's the collateral damage of the

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On 01/23/2017 12:04 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > A centralized experimental protocol rather than a control system for all > time. It can work if results can be ingested and models improved in a > dispassionate fashion. Like new drug treatments, everyone wants equal > access to anything that

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"This is why neoliberalism (kindasorta) works. It is an agenda where we limit our conscious planning and let the full ugliness of our complex reality rain down on us." A centralized experimental protocol rather than a control system for all time. It can work if results can be ingested and

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On 01/23/2017 11:25 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > “The Buddha, the Godhead, resides quite as comfortably in the circuits of a > digital computer or the gears of a cycle transmission as he does at the top > of the mountain, or in the petals of a flower. To think otherwise is to > demean the Buddha

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Glen writes: "It seems especially stupid for atheists who can't count on seeing any sort of return on their investment. Having children is one way out of that. It shines a light on occult benefits one can realize while sacrificing their self to the benefit of someone else. And it raises the

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On 01/21/2017 06:05 PM, Robert Wall wrote: > It is conscious and logical. It's the beginning of wisdom. Or, is it just a > fool's errand? Not easy. Not something I have achieved. But I do think it is > possible. I have a few more years yet ... and then I die.  It does beg the > question,

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On 01/21/2017 07:35 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I give that names like worrying, self-reflection, doubt, analysis, and > reading. I believe it is practiced in a widespread way by the type 1 > thinkers that Pamela mentioned. For whatever it's worth: Study reveals for first time that

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On 01/20/2017 04:33 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > I dislike the closed-mindedness and willful ignorance of groups I grew up in, > probably in a very similar way to the way you do. But I don’t think that > kind of thing flowers as it has, when societies are evolving to make a good > life better; more

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Robert writes: “They are inherently community motivated and supported and are not the kind of enterprises that you will see move offshore or park their cash there to avoid US taxation” I make a distinction between people that are primarily goal motivated versus those that are primarily

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Marcus, I am not sure but you may have the wrong impression of employee-owned worker cooperatives. Of course, they have structure and management and decision-making processes just like capitalist-owned companies. Even *Forbes *think they are a good idea: If Apple Were A Worker Cooperative, Each

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Robert writes: < It would be a Hebbian-oriented mental process by way of "habituating" the kind of thoughts that lead to altruism or the desired state. > I give that names like worrying, self-reflection, doubt, analysis, and reading. I believe it is practiced in a widespread way by the type

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Hi Marcus, All good thoughts. Thanks! Just a few things hopefully that can constructively add to the discussion ... There is research in this area. The kind of "rebooting" I am thinking about in this context would not be chemically or surgically induced. It would be a Hebbian-oriented

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< In a sense, conscious evolution is a kind of rebooting of a conscious organism with a new "morality" program that has the purpose of changing the nature of that organism more toward altruism and less toward self-interest, kind of resetting the initial conditions built into our DNA, so to

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-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Smith Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 5:34 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent Robert and Marcus, good morning, Robert, your original thread is

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Universities don't really deliver > on this, except perhaps for some professors who are in that world for most of > their adult life. > > > > I would say neoliberalism is trying to engineer biased coins that land in a > coordinated ways to build something more complex.

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Robert - I am glad to have found the FRIAM forum--thanks to Steven Guerin--as it so often has an array of viewpoints that come from a variety of learned backgrounds and borne up by interpretations from a variety of news sources. In spite of these differences, the forum threads remain very

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Robert - Marcus said: I would say neoliberalism is trying to engineer biased coins that land in a coordinated ways to build something more complex. One way is with trade laws. You replied: I think I can partly agree with this statement ... about the biased coin thing. That is

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“There are several Internet-based, often donation-dependent (I donate to several), news and opinion outlets that do very good, in-depth investigative journalism” Maybe you are right and it is sustainable. All I know is that I’ll give to Kickstarter campaigns, but I wouldn’t want to depend on

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> > Without millions of dollars of cash flow, there can’t be professional > investigators. Not so. Not at all. There are several Internet-based, often donation-dependent (I donate to several), news and opinion outlets that do very good, in-depth investigative journalism Take a look at Greg

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Robert writes: “The former--predominately the MSM--freely castigates any news source other than from among their own too-often colluding colleagues. The former fears the latter, especially since the barriers to entry are so low, comparatively.” Here again there is a benefit and a cost

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Robert writes: << Or, can we evolve consciously as a society to find a more inclusive solution?>> To make this happen, norms have to change, and that means everyone evolves. But, initially there can be a smaller number of people, `elites’ if want to call them that, that design and construct

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; wallrobe...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:41:01 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent > > >> P.S. RT is the Russian Propaganda news outlet. Of course, they'

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Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent P.S. RT is the Russian Propaganda news outlet. Of course, they'd have their own motives for wanting to diminish Chinese power. I think you should try to understand it before you castigate it

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57:14 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent > > This is just an exploratory thought piece to try in this forum ... please > skip if it seems, right off the bat, as being too thought

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@gmail.com>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:57:14 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent This is just an exploratory thought piece to try in this forum ... please skip if it seems, righ

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sian Propaganda news outlet. Of course, they'd have > their own motives for wanting to diminish Chinese power. > -- > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Robert Wall < > wallrobe...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 19