Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-05-02 Thread John Kennison
...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of sarbajit roy [sroy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn Hi Where would one place say the Taj Mahal in the context of the Mughal (alternatively Indo-Islamic

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-05-02 Thread Pamela McCorduck
In my experience, mathematicians tell this joke on themselves. There's another one they tell: Two guys in a balloon dip down to a field to ask a farmer where they are. The answer comes: You're in a balloon. The one guy says to the other, He must be a mathematician. The answer is absolutely

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-05-01 Thread Saul Caganoff
Were these activities there to support a reign of terror, or was there another motivation? I think it was Joseph Campbell who pointed out that only agricultural civilizations practiced large scale human sacrifice. If the basis of your economy depends on mysterious and capricious weather forces

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-30 Thread Jochen Fromm
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn But don't forget that often times the grand structures we see today were built atop previous and smaller versions, which were built atop previous and smaller version, etc. It's turtles all the way down. -tom

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-30 Thread Pamela McCorduck
. - Original Message - From: Tom Johnson To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn But don't forget that often times the grand structures we see today were built atop previous

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-30 Thread sarbajit roy
Hi Where would one place say the Taj Mahal in the context of the Mughal (alternatively Indo-Islamic) civilisation's ascendancy? Or the Eiffel Tower in the context of French (alternatively Gallic) civilisation? Mr Sabloff's observation reminds me of the old saw, A priest, a scientist and a

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-29 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Grandiosity of civilizations is easily observed but that same grandiosity applies to Buildings architecture as well as death circuses. The Human need for Grand Gestures may be at the root of civilization. Jerry Sabloff, the president of the Santa Fe Institute, whose specialty is the

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-29 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Having recently been in Abu Dhabi and Dubai and writing now from Istanbul, I am inclined to agree with Pamela. Grand gestures, however, may well be more short-lived within the contemporary economies. Pamela McCorduck wrote: Grandiosity of civilizations is easily observed but that same

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-29 Thread Tom Johnson
But don't forget that often times the grand structures we see today were built atop previous and smaller versions, which were built atop previous and smaller version, etc. It's turtles all the way down. -tom On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Merle Lefkoff me...@arspublica.org wrote: Having

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-28 Thread Jochen Fromm
...@shaw.ca To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:08 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn My my how elitist we are discussing the brutalities of vanished civilizations. Those ancient butchers were so grotesque

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-28 Thread Nicholas Thompson
: ERIC P. CHARLES To: Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 4/28/2010 6:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn I would suggest that what is at stake is efficiency. Those who can do civilization efficiently can also do

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-28 Thread sarbajit roy
-Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: April 28, 2010 3:30 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn In the book The ancient Maya from Robert

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-27 Thread Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky
My my how elitist we are discussing the brutalities of vanished civilizations. Those ancient butchers were so grotesque they did each murder one at a time. Just imagine the effort involved, each methodical death blow by death blow. Such brutes, in retrospect. They must have had tag teams of

Re: [FRIAM] Palenque, Chichen Itza and Katyn

2010-04-27 Thread Douglas Roberts
This discussion needs to be continued over (non-elitist) Vodka. Although I would prefer Irish Whiskey. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky vbur...@shaw.cawrote: My my how elitist we are discussing the brutalities of vanished civilizations. Those ancient butchers were so