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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 9:37
Re: the use of a special term like "artifact" or "explanandum", I agree
completely. "Model" is as good as any.
Re: the usefulness of obtuse models - I did give a description of how obtuse
(indeed, totally opaque) models can be useful for science. It's possible you
didn't receive that post. So,
Glen,
I mean... assuming I know what you mean by "obtuse"... which I'm not sure
of... an "obtuse model" could be useful for many, many things... but the
more obtuse it is, the less one can science with it... so it is not useful
regarding where the future chapter of that book are headed. I would
[sigh] Fine. We can change what I wrote from:
"artifact = model absent the usage context"
to
"artifact = model in a non-modeling context"
The toy train isn't a useful example for this distinction. But a wooden sphere
as a model for, say, a baseball, *is* a useful example. In the "sphere
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Nick: Oh no, you've morphed Glen and myself into an interchangeable entity!
You must be flying at high altitude!
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Nick,
Not sophmori
: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:52 PM
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It would be easier if you would use a word like "artifact" or somesuch when
you talk about the model absent it's contextual analogies. E.g.
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It would be easier if you would use a word like "artifact" or somesuch when you
talk about the model absent it's contextual analogies. E.g. some yahoo
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It would be easier if you would use a word like "artifact" or somesuch when you
talk about the model absent it's contextual analogies. E.g. some yahoo back 10k
years ago draws a picture and some teenage spelunker comes upon it in 2020.
That picture is better described as "artifact" than
From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles
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There is an interesting issue that often comes up in these contexts, in wh
To be clear I did NOT assert that a model means something on its own. Nor did I
ask what the model intends. I do see a risk that others might go in that
direction, though.
In fact, I agree completely that models are only models by way of analogy. I'd
also claim that referents can be models of
There is an interesting issue that often comes up in these contexts, in
which someone asserts that the models mean something all on their own. If
it is someone who has picked up our language, they might, for example,
ask "What does the model intend? The Model, itself? "
Glen does this by
Did Epstein ever respond to your & Derr's response paper?
Well, there are 2 ways I know of that they can help you understand a referent.
There may be more.
1) Parallax
2) Expressibility
If I have 1 totally opaque model of a referent, I'm limited to (2 -
Expressibility), establishing what the
: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:14 AM
To: FriAM
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Did Epstein ever respond to your criticism?
For what little it's worth, I disagree with your lesson. Obtuse models can be
very useful. In fact, there's good reason
Did Epstein ever respond to your criticism?
For what little it's worth, I disagree with your lesson. Obtuse models can be
very useful. In fact, there's good reason to believe you will *never* actually
understand how your model works, any more than you'll ever understand how that
model's
2020 6:10 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply
Eric and Nick,
Two more references for MacCormac
[MacCormac 76] MacCormac, Earl R., Metaphor and Myth in
Science and Religion, Durham, N. Car.: Duke University
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>> Hope now that the light is coming back Amsterdam is perhaps not quite so
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From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles
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Subject: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply
[Eric] A much belated larded reply to David's generous comment regarding the
description
[Eric] A much belated larded reply to David's generous comment regarding
the description-explanation issue.
[David] Lacking the wit tore- weave the argument that has unraveled into
several threads and posts; an attempt to begin afresh from one of the
points of origin - the Introduction to
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