Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-30 Thread Nick Thompson
sh.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 1:35 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) N. No. On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:30 PM Nick Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthli

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-30 Thread Merle Lefkoff
k.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Merle > Lefkoff > *Sent:* Saturday, March 30, 2019 1:04 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-30 Thread Nick Thompson
sh.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 1:04 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) For whatever it's worth, Nick, I'm now using this thread in the work we're doing on the ad

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-30 Thread Merle Lefkoff
2019 9:39 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we > behave?) > > > > > > On 3/28/19 1:20 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > Steve, ‘n all, > > > > Just to be cranky, I want to remind everybody that ALL

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-30 Thread Steven A Smith
Nick - "Little Black Sambo" BTW... did you know that the author of the above was the grandmother of the Physicist who discovered the Higgs Boson (and the Higgs-Kibbel mechanism)? > I don't ever intend to discount that metaphor (analogical thinking) > can be abused...  and I believe that the

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-30 Thread Steven A Smith
Marcus - I commend you for your ability to remain distant from the subject...   I do believe there is an analogy to the Observer Effect in quantum theory which suggests that one *never* decouples entirely from anything,  though such invocation might represent an abuse of the metaphor and risks

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-30 Thread Steven A Smith
>   > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > >   > > *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven > A Smith > *Sent:*

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
Tweaked in them. From: Friam on behalf of Steven A Smith Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 8:52 AM To: "friam@redfish.com" Subject: Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) I think Trump

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-30 Thread Steven A Smith
Nick - Thank you for your kind words. > We were doing SO WELL until we got to … oh, see my “HORSEFEATHERS!” > below. > I'll see your HORSEFEATHERS and raise you a CONFLATION ALERT! > >   > > */[NST==>/**/HORSEFEATHERS!/**/One or two generations of > sociobiologists were directed away from group

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-29 Thread Gillian Densmore
rom:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A > Smith > *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 9:39 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we > behave?) > > > > > > On 3/28/19 1:20 PM, Nic

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-29 Thread Gillian Densmore
ogy > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A > Smith > *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 9:39 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-29 Thread Nick Thompson
esigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:39 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) On 3/28/19 1:20 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: Steve, ‘n all, Just to be cra

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-29 Thread Nick Thompson
/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of lrudo...@meganet.net Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-28 Thread lrudolph
Nick says, in relevant part: > For instance, when > sociobiologists use the notion of selfish gene, they may legitimately > disclaim the idea that genes consciously choose between self-regarding and > other-regarding options, but they cannot legitimately disclaim the idea > that a gene has the

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-28 Thread Prof David West
kthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith > *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 10:03 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) > > Lee

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-28 Thread Nick Thompson
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:03 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) Lee - Steve writes in re

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-09 Thread Steven A Smith
Nor this one either... > Frank - >> I am under the influence of a couple of powerful pain drugs and I can >> barely walk.  So I may not be making sense. > I don't know what you mean by this, do you have a formula for it? > > - Steve >

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-09 Thread Steven A Smith
> PS –One of the things I notice that I don’t share with you guys is a > history of reading Science Fiction.  I read /Etoin Shurdlu/ when I was > about 15, /Metamorphosis/ (Kofka) when I was about 17, and Shirley > Jackson’s /The Lottery/ when I was in my 20’s and that’s about it.  > I don't know

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-09 Thread Nick Thompson
ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:33 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) Frank/Nick - It's something you can move

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
, 2019 8:54 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we > behave?) > > > > It's something you can move around on in a continuous way? > > ---

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-09 Thread lrudolph
Nick et al., "surplus meaning" was the term I was misremembering. Further replies to Nick's further questions later. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-08 Thread Nick Thompson
Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 8:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) It's something you can move around on in a continuo

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-08 Thread Steven A Smith
ns/ > >   > > *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com > <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 8:43 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > mailto:friam@

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-08 Thread Steven A Smith
Lee - > Steve writes in relevant part: > >> My position is that I favor each and every one of us taking whatever >> responsibility for understanding our own "convex hull" of >> capability/knowledge/intuition as we are capable of and "managing" it to >> the best of our ability. > The quotation

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-08 Thread Frank Wimberly
k.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank > Wimberly > *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 8:43 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRI

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-08 Thread Nick Thompson
esigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 8:43 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) Succinctly, and I may leave something out, a ma

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-08 Thread Frank Wimberly
.@meganet.net > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 7:04 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) > > Steve writes in relevant part: > > > My position is that I favor each and every one of us tak

Re: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-08 Thread Nick Thompson
ubject: [FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?) Steve writes in relevant part: > My position is that I favor each and every one of us taking whatever > responsibility for understanding our own "convex hull" of > capability/knowledge/intuition as we are c

[FRIAM] excess meaning alert? (was, Re: are we how we behave?)

2019-03-08 Thread lrudolph
Steve writes in relevant part: > My position is that I favor each and every one of us taking whatever > responsibility for understanding our own "convex hull" of > capability/knowledge/intuition as we are capable of and "managing" it to > the best of our ability. The quotation marks around the