Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

ever get a say in the matter? N Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 4:25 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

ing to say. I just thought the sweeping generalizations were getting a bit rich. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday,

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

>   > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > >   > > *From:* Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>>

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

For now there is the Salton Sea. GM Will Suck Lithium From the Salton Sea to Make Batteries (autoweek.com) From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 8:05 AM

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

programmed to reject anywhere they notice it. But it has enabled the eusocial insects to survive for a lot longer than humans have, so we should assume it will be necessary and adopt as another project how to get people used to that fact. Eric On Sep 4, 2021, at 12:25 AM, Marcus Daniels

Re: [FRIAM] Nick has gone dark

It might be fun to scan longhand from Nick and copy it here. I guess that wouldn’t work due to a file size limitation by the mailer. Oh well. From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 1:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRI

Re: [FRIAM] Nick has gone dark

No way!!! https://www.llnl.gov/news/national-ignition-facility-experiment-puts-researchers-threshold-fusion-ignition On Sep 7, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Steve Smith wrote:  Mary and I are reading a biography of HD Thoreau and I feel like I have a better bead on who the heck NST is from getting a sli

Re: [FRIAM] Amtrak & driverless trains

Check out Tesla AI day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0z4FweCy4M From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 12:38 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Amtrak & driverless trains Amtrak is the national railroad in the US

Re: [FRIAM] Amtrak & driverless trains

New York, Chicago, Paris or Berlin do not. https://youtu.be/7mtULC7UcSE -J. Original message From: Marcus Daniels Date: 9/8/21 21:55 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Amtrak & driverless trains Check out Tesla AI day h

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 4:57 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Yeah, it is hard to get excited about “unusual” variance. Modern classification algorithms like gradient boosting m

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

he resistance of social inequalities within a community." On 9/8/21 8:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > From about a cancer rate of 10% (without mutation) to 50% (with) but it > depends on the BRCA variant. > > https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_canc > er.h

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

ctional ability (reading), then do we write them all? ... just one of them? ... a probabilistically predictive handful of them? On 9/9/21 10:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > So find the sites that correspond to reading ability, or whatever, and WRITE > them. > > -Original Messag

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

it was the weather…. > On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > That can be screened as well with a large population-wide survey such has > been done in the UK or Iceland. > Of course, it is unlikely that complex behaviors will be governed by isolated > mutations

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

5 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 3:32 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Or they are reprogramming their people to be smarter! (Actually, deCODE is owned by Amgen now.) Selection is already occurring, so it isn't as if this is some sci-fi thing. https:

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

genotype/phenotype relations? > On Sep 10, 2021, at 3:26 AM, ⛧ glen wrote: > > I can't help but wonder if there's an analog of Goodhart's law lurking, here. > > >> On September 9, 2021 2:31:39 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels >> wrote: >> Or t

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

sary experiment for the > hypothesis that's ethically problematic. But more abstractly, as we've > discussed recently, optimization to exogenously defined, precise objective > functions can cause more problems than it solves. > >> On 9/10/21 6:30 AM, Marcus Daniels wr

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

us would edit our genes in order to, say, make fat stacks of cash by > increasing our "entrepreneurial" tendency to take risks. But such studies > seem unlikely to get funded even from places like the Cato Institute. > >> On 9/10/21 7:21 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

ketchplanations.com/ I can't help but wonder if there's an analog of Goodhart's law lurking, here. On September 9, 2021 2:31:39 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: Or they are reprogramming their people to be smarter! (Actually, deCODE is owned by Am

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

eem banal without the larger frame can seem profound when the discourse is enlarged ... when it all snaps into place. On 9/10/21 10:25 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Fine, the goal is some composition of functions and it is all interdependent. > > Sure. Of course. Why is this so profo

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

ss subjective trait. Had you focused on, say, tool use <https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-magazine/our-intelligent-ancestor-neanderthal> or somesuch, then we may not have gone there. ... A, who am I kidding? We always go there. On 9/10/21 12:06 PM, Marcus Daniels

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 1:25 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur Fine, the goal is some composition of functions an

Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture

NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:22 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: I should have known to hide the drugs from the addicts. -Original Message- From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Fr

Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture

you don't call an unborn child a "baby". Or a "child". --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 9:36 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Yes. On Sep 11, 2021, at 8:22 AM, F

Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture

't call an unborn child a "baby". Or a "child". --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 9:36 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Yes. On Sep 11, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Frank Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture

com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur 😁 --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:22 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: I should have known to hide the drugs from the addicts. -Original

Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture

y Christof Koch + “Out of My Head: On the Trail of Consciousness" by Tim Parks https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/do-we-have-minds-of-our-own -J. Original message ---- From: Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> Date: 9/11/21 18:53 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday

Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture

have an opinion, let’s call them all Child-candidates. Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 12:3

Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture

Wimberly's Conjecture Interesting, Marcus. Do you have any of those lying about the house. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniel

Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture

Steve Smith Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 12:30 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture On 9/11/21 12:09 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: For contrast, one might call teenagers Adult-candidates. ... ad absurdum ... 1. fetuses are child candidates 2. embryo

Re: [FRIAM] Wimberly's Conjecture

Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 1:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group ma

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, May 16, 2020, 10:32 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Here’s what I expect will probably happen. The PANDEMIC will be declared over, like Mission Accomplished with W. There will be a slower burn until fall, and then it will accelerate

Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit

Glen writes: "'Judicial philosophies are not the same as political parties,' she said, noting that she identifies as an 'originalist' and citing fellow Justice Stephen Breyer as an example of the other main school of thought, 'pragmatism.'" Being an 'originalist' is the sort of thing that bible

Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit

extual" ... those liberal justices are probably > "postmodern marxists". Pffft. > >> On 9/13/21 8:14 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Being an 'originalist' is the sort of thing that bible school might teach >> one to do? > > I don't t

Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit

n the legal profession. On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 12:13 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: If one “read through” to a timeless intent, then how is originalism, original? It implies that deconstruction is unwelcome beyond some point. That it is essent

Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit

Do savants contribute to society? Or are they really just crypto-leeches on society? ACB can claim to be originalist till the cows come home. But we'll never know for sure. And she can never know for sure, either. Decades from now, we'll be able to induce some methods from her written

Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit

is also important and might submit to (manual) deconstruction. But at some point AI will eventually do a much better job. The robots will be better postmodernists than we could ever be. On 9/13/21 10:40 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > If there is an artifact, it makes me wonder what the

Re: [FRIAM] the end of the pandemic

.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, May 16, 2020, 10:32 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Here’s what I expect will probably happen. The PANDEMIC will be declared over, like Mission

Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit

Some sort of Eliza-like random response using some subset of the available keywords? 😊 From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:40 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit Sorry, why must I mean all of that? - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. ..

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

I sometimes wonder about these people that have thousands of connections on LinkedIn. (Likewise for Twitter, etc.) I assume they are mostly strangers. The potential for contagion through that kind of network seems as risky as any benefit it may have. > On Sep 14, 2021, at 1:34 AM, ⛧ glen wr

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

"Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie." omigod! https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/09/matrix-resurrections-trailer-is-sheer-perfection-both-fresh-and-familiar/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Different people get jerked around differently as culture evolves. That's about it. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 1:32 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc IDK. It came off as triggered snowflake to

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

See kernel.com On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Steve Smith wrote:  Glen- Ha! Well, not for me. I'm a technophile. Even more important than drug-induced experiences are those induced by other technologies like transcranial magnetic stimulation, which I don't regard as fundamentally different fro

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

In table S4 (supplementary material), there are two cases of death attributed to COVID-19 in the placebo case, and none to BNT162b2. There are other unrelated causes of death in the cohort. Also the causes of death are from dose 1 to unblinding, so there is the possibility that antibodies wo

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc On 9/14/21 6:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: See kernel.com Yeh, like that... plenty of what looks like slick pre-release hype-by-allusion, yet undeniably evidence that the development in this area is in a virtuous feedback loop. A quick gander didn&#

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

..@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:02 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancella

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

aïve. Now the question becomes, “Have you bought it? And why?” Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

on/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:59 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc The genius of this luxury market, esp. fo

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

e this, it hardly matters which. N Now Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:24 PM To: The Friday Morn

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

lver. At times like this, it hardly matters which. N Now Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, Sep

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

I enjoyed the 1995 Kathryn Bigelow movie Strange Days. It was before the days of ubiquitous wireless connectivity. From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:46 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:02 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:02 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:02 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

sh.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 9:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc One could mimic the raw signals from sexual organs, or one could mimic the inte

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

One good mob deserves another. Why not? On Sep 16, 2021, at 6:10 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:  The Chronicle of Higher Education noticed that there have been two massive cancellation protests against fraternities where sexual assaults were reported in the past few months, in Kansas and Nebrask

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

There are less COVID deaths in the vaccinated group. The death count includes things like car accidents. No fancy statistical reasoning required. On Sep 16, 2021, at 7:41 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:  Then we can say with a 99% probability that the vaccination does not increase the

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

, how does an outcome come to be desired other than it delivers pleasure? How else do you tell the desired ones from the other ones. Eh? n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniel

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

ssage says! n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 10:44 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied C

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

als picked out from among other goals. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:12 AM To: The

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

Trials are done in phases. First they have to establish that the treatment does no harm. That’s what this was about. Some anti-vax jerk probably dug up this reference and started quoting it out of context, like you are. From: Friam On Behalf Of thompnicks...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, Septem

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:32 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true? Trials are done in phases. First they have to establish that the tre

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

Does all conscious (even synthetic) life need to be driven by a pleasure motive? This seems to be Nick’s claim. I expect the way this argument plays out is that, e.g., altruism is defined to “feel good”. It is tautological. On Sep 16, 2021, at 12:22 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:  so

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

There are primary and secondary ICD-10 codes for cause of death, there might be some double counting. From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 1:20 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true? Ye

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

ocalled Hard Problem. I know you have probably said, but, to be honest, I don’t remember. Nick Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent

[FRIAM] in the interest of consistency

In the interest of consistency: No vaccination then no hemorrhoid medication! https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/hospital-staff-must-swear-off-tylenol-tums-to-get-religious-vaccine-exemption/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexi

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Just look at those crazies in their Brooks Brothers suits! On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Steve Smith wrote:  My first thought in reading this (Glen and Jon in response/elaboration) is that we are discussing whether the universe of comprehensions is (fully) metrizeable or not. I have some con

Re: [FRIAM] torn

He’s been carrying on like this for a while, right? Come on. Crybaby. > On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:33 PM, ⛧ glen wrote: > > Ugh. I hate it when one homunculus argues with another. But w.r.t. > Boghossian, I say good riddance. > > https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/my-university-sacrificed-ideas-f

Re: [FRIAM] torn

Best ever. > On Sep 17, 2021, at 6:30 PM, ⛧ glen wrote: > > Ha! Which would be interesting if he didn't resign. Like his course in how > to create atheists, he offers a course in how to create victims of the King. > >> On September 17, 2021 5:44:25 PM PDT, Jon Zingale >> wrote: >> """ >> Wh

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

We are just stuff and stuff can be simulated.. on quantum computers if necessary. > On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:45 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > >  > I have watched John Searle videos on YouTube today and stumbled upon the > question of personality again. If we assume that there is a special substance

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

pplied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul? Great Searle videos. I knew his name, but had never listened to him. On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 3:57 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: We are just stuff and stuff can be simulated.. on quantum

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

the whole subject of consciousness and subjective experience which is interesting too, if we consider it as an accumulated, path dependent point of view. -J. Original message ---- From: Marcus Daniels Date: 9/18/21 22:57 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Co

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

There seems to be individual differences in how people have responded to the longer stretches of the pandemic. Some people lost benefits from the “open” system. They lost access to their friends or lost their cadence. Other people didn’t really notice so much or even liked having the conveni

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

by Tesla) and additive manufacturing, Searle’s categories are looking pretty strained. Soon nanofabrication will be routine. If you can make the model, you can have the thing.. On Sep 18, 2021, at 10:01 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote:  On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 9:53 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

in characteristic patterns of thinking, feeling and behaving as a person. Then there is the whole subject of consciousness and subjective experience which is interesting too, if we consider it as an accumulated, path dependent point of view. -J. ---- Original message From: Marcus Dani

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

without biological matter. -J. Original message From: Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> Date: 9/19/21 00:39 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul? Oxygen, hydro

Re: [FRIAM] Position Available

The supervising manager is named Walter White, I suspect. From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:03 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Position Available I just received a notice for a position as a dock worker near zi

Re: [FRIAM] Position Available

There must be similar photos of slums next to grocery stores? Why is Amazon worthy of special criticism? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:18 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:  There are certainly positions available in the new fulfillment center in Tijuana, Mexico or in the facilities in the

Re: [FRIAM] buzzwords aside

If Pfizer or Moderna get a version(s) +N out, the main remaining issue is crowding of hospitals. Insurers will make adjustments for behavior. Who cares if vaccination increases at that point? > On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > > I suppose it depends on the culture wars. As

Re: [FRIAM] buzzwords aside

rse than the flu, vaccination will still reduce the number of dead each year ... and the number of days lost to ill employees, etc. Public health will always be important. My hope is that more people will realize that. But they probably won't. On 9/20/21 7:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: &

Re: [FRIAM] hot streaks

Overall, the wealthy (senior authors) in this scenario are as with real money. They are: 1) the ones who create cranks to turn (some random topic to torture endlessly), and 2) those that employ people to turn them on their behalf. But, if someone does find a way to turn them into integral un

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

Is that true? I kind of stopped drinking not because of health or because of risk it could create, but just because it doesn't make me feel good. And it is kind of expensive. And for what? Sugar and caffeine, now those are more serious addictions! -Original Message- From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

e pseudo-profound bullshit, no better than anti-vax or QAnon. On 9/22/21 10:03 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Is that true? I kind of stopped drinking not because of health or because > of risk it could create, but just because it doesn't make me feel good. And > it is kind

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

Steve writes: < Is it a single spectrum? I propose a few components: 1. Self Exploration 2. Creativity Enhancement 3. Medicating for Social Anxiety 4. Medicating for Depression 5. Self Identity/Expression 6. Avoidance 7. ... > Being a vegan, for example, is an inconvenience

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

da have to choose your role at the beginning (or have your role chosen for you by history or an introduction by someone -- Renee' introduces the local lefties saying that I worked at Lockheed Martin and my role has been chosen for me ... killer profiteer's unite!). On 9/22/21 11:00 AM,

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

, September 22, 2021 11:21 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence On 9/22/21 12:00 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Steve writes: < Is it a single spectrum? I propose a few components: 1. Self Exploration 2. Creativity Enhancement 3. Medicating for Social Anxi

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

into 2 different Kirk-qualia? On 9/22/21 11:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The word that comes to mind is duplicity! > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:20 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [F

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

omething I don't know, Captain Obvious. On 9/22/21 12:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I love the idea of Google Glass, but preferably covert -- pickups in my > visual cortex maybe. Then rather than wasting my time trying to find > something to watch on Netflix at the end of the day

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rivate opinion on Wall Street. Well, duh... We all have both public and private opnions on just about everything. Not only that, but we have semi-public and semi-private opinions on just about everything. What drives the tu quoque fallacy? On 9/22/21 12:54 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Nothing

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at typical grave? 3 m diameter peacock fan? From: Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:21 AM To: friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence On 9/22/21 12:00 PM, Mar

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his kind of duplicity? The people I talk to who play Poker often mention that lying is what makes the game fun. "Flattening" out the game so that everyone always sees everyone's cards doesn't seem as fun. On 9/22/21 1:14 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > For example, if you have a

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ught dichotomy. As a kid, my dad would get super angry about players "talking across the table". It was pretty funny as long as he didn't see me snickering and focus the hatred on me. That shift of attention turned it from a game into a non-game. On 9/22/21 1:22 PM, Marcus Daniels wr

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Minor tangent: When it is thought to be time for me to do something, a conversation can often be overheard between my female deaf dog and my wife about what needs to be done. This results in the dog coming to me beg for attention, bringing me items found in the backyard, etc. It breaks up my

Re: [FRIAM] Why you studying with them?

It's the "pacify the mean daddy" problem. You have the cult in red, and they actually have no point. They are just terrorists. They promise destruction like with the debt ceiling and so invariably there is someone that tries to represent them or create a civil conversation. Let's reach ou

Re: [FRIAM] Advertents and Inadvertents

I once had an office by Dave Bacon. Years later, and for many years, he held the title of software engineer at Google. By the definitions of people here, he's a scholar and a scientist.But in the weird (?) world of Silicon Valley, he probably was able to make more money and be more influe

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin

Eric writes: < But those bored with it, who seem to endlessly repeat their position, and when asked to clarify, will repeat it again, seem to have a position something like “you’ll see when you see”. It is distastefully close, in my perception, to those who will say “you really are a spiritual

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Compare with these definitions: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/psychological-dimensions-left-wing-authoritarianism/620185/ "The authoritarian mentality, whether on the far left or far right, the authors conclude, exerts "powerful pressures to maintain discipline among members,

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

This just takes us back to is vs. ought. If one is preoccupied with how the universe ought to be, then one is less inclined to observe and measure how it is and consider what the evidence means. They split off to notions like Mind and God and other claptrap. It is a disability to their compr

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 3:44 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group ; kitchenl...@liste.unisa.it Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Mu

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

It is not scientifically neutral in that the selection of topics are not prioritized by scientific considerations. So there is bias about what is considered worthy of study. This is very clear if you work at a weapons lab. On the other hand it was Einstein that wrote Roosevelt to inform him

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

Read like pages 83-86. That that tools of astronomy may be inadequate to characterize the cosmos. (Or maybe that we can never really model it?) And that from that we can conclude that models of the local physics of our biological machinery may also be inadequate? Non sequitur. There’s a Qur

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