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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 9:37
Re: the use of a special term like "artifact" or "explanandum", I agree
completely. "Model" is as good as any.
Re: the usefulness of obtuse models - I did give a description of how obtuse
(indeed, totally opaque) models can be useful for science. It's possible you
didn't receive that post. So,
Glen,
I mean... assuming I know what you mean by "obtuse"... which I'm not sure
of... an "obtuse model" could be useful for many, many things... but the
more obtuse it is, the less one can science with it... so it is not useful
regarding where the future chapter of that book are headed. I would
[sigh] Fine. We can change what I wrote from:
"artifact = model absent the usage context"
to
"artifact = model in a non-modeling context"
The toy train isn't a useful example for this distinction. But a wooden sphere
as a model for, say, a baseball, *is* a useful example. In the "sphere
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Nick: Oh no, you've morphed Glen and myself into an interchangeable entity!
You must be flying at high altitude!
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Nick,
Not sophmori
: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:52 PM
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It would be easier if you would use a word like "artifact" or somesuch when
you talk about the model absent it's contextual analogies. E.g.
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It would be easier if you would use a word like "artifact" or somesuch when you
talk about the model absent it's contextual analogies. E.g. some yahoo
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It would be easier if you would use a word like "artifact" or somesuch when you
talk about the model absent it's contextual analogies. E.g. some yahoo back 10k
years ago draws a picture and some teenage spelunker comes upon it in 2020.
That picture is better described as "artifact" than
From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply
There is an interesting issue that often comes up in these contexts, in wh
To be clear I did NOT assert that a model means something on its own. Nor did I
ask what the model intends. I do see a risk that others might go in that
direction, though.
In fact, I agree completely that models are only models by way of analogy. I'd
also claim that referents can be models of
There is an interesting issue that often comes up in these contexts, in
which someone asserts that the models mean something all on their own. If
it is someone who has picked up our language, they might, for example,
ask "What does the model intend? The Model, itself? "
Glen does this by
Did Epstein ever respond to your & Derr's response paper?
Well, there are 2 ways I know of that they can help you understand a referent.
There may be more.
1) Parallax
2) Expressibility
If I have 1 totally opaque model of a referent, I'm limited to (2 -
Expressibility), establishing what the
: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:14 AM
To: FriAM
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Did Epstein ever respond to your criticism?
For what little it's worth, I disagree with your lesson. Obtuse models can be
very useful. In fact, there's good reason
Did Epstein ever respond to your criticism?
For what little it's worth, I disagree with your lesson. Obtuse models can be
very useful. In fact, there's good reason to believe you will *never* actually
understand how your model works, any more than you'll ever understand how that
model's
2020 6:10 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply
Eric and Nick,
Two more references for MacCormac
[MacCormac 76] MacCormac, Earl R., Metaphor and Myth in
Science and Religion, Durham, N. Car.: Duke University
Eric and Nick,
Two more references for MacCormac
[MacCormac 76] MacCormac, Earl R., Metaphor and Myth in
Science and Religion, Durham, N. Car.: Duke University
Press, 1976.
[MacCormac 83] MacCormac, Earl R., "Scientific metaphors as
necessary conceptual limitations of science," in The
Dear Eric and Nick,
That you found value in my comments is pleasing and I thank you for your
equally thoughtful response.
I would be very interested in continuing the conversation (perhaps offline from
FRIAM?) and seeing your insights into evolutionary theory.
In furtherance of that
Dear Eric and David,
David’s reading of that work is by far the most perceptive and profound
critique I have ever received of our metaphors and models theory, and I a
profoundly grateful for it. I was also profoundly grateful for Eric’s
”defense”.I hope this correspondence helps eric
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