Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-26 Thread PsychoBilly
http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/gates-wikileaks.pdf Fax from John McCain to Senate Chairman Carl Levin. The initial assessment in no way discounts the risk to national security; however, the review to date has not revealed any sensitive intelligence sources and methods compromised by this

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-26 Thread Charles Timko
-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of PsychoBilly Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:00 AM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/gates-wikileaks.pdf Fax from John McCain

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-24 Thread Troy Canasta
: Cal Leeming c...@foxwhisper.co.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up To: Harry Behrens ha...@behrens.com Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 9:57 PM So, it appears Wikileaks is now back online.. And they have put a new

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-23 Thread Cal Leeming
So, it appears Wikileaks is now back online.. And they have put a new 'warlogs' database online.. They do appear to have filtered out various things (there's ---'s in place of where words should be)... I don't know if this is like a cut down version of what they have, but it's is tediously

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-22 Thread coderman
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, BMF badmotherfs...@gmail.com wrote: ... So some are playing it up but [some] is playing it down. Who ya gonna believe? C. None of the above. if they are mute or non-publishing it is by decision or apathy... you can always distribute - just how much do you

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-22 Thread PsychoBilly
1+ propaganda victim ( man! you're a hacker, don't you remember? ) [[ Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] ]] @ [[ 21/10/2010 23:59 ]]-- I apologise for this, I had heard this in, what I had believed to be, a credible news report. 1+

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-22 Thread Shain Singh
Off topic but... On 22 October 2010 07:06, Jonathan Medina jonmed...@gmail.com wrote: the information it provides to insurgents endangers our sources and the families of sources that have provided us with valuable information. These people are giving you information but would be well aware

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-22 Thread Troy Canasta
://cryptome.org/0002/wikileaks-unlike.htm Thanks --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Harry Behrens ha...@behrens.com wrote: From: Harry Behrens ha...@behrens.com Subject: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 4:32 PM

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-22 Thread Ana Kismet
Then prove it. I don't care if you're married to the queen of England: your statement that WL has hurt the troops carries no ground without evidence. http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/10/17/wikileaks/index.html On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Jonathan Medina

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-22 Thread Colin Copley
Well I think 'Twatter' risks alienating the sex professional community who you will need to buy in, something a little more upmarket perhaps. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:06:15 PDT, Jonathan Medina said: I am in the military, currently in Iraq, and these Wikileaks posts have hurt us more than people realize. It does two things, first, it demonstrates our tactics and procedures which allow insurgents to conduct more effective attacks

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-22 Thread Colin Copley
The more knowledge of your enemy tactics you have the better no? And though I would still prefer actual proof of the info, the Pentagon top brass debunking is something they would do if it were true as well? valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: As a result, even 100% perfect knowledge of our

[Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Harry Behrens
Sorry to all of those who think this is gossiping, but: Wikileaks has been down for ca. 2 weeks now during which time the US has at least cut off their financial channels. This during a period where WL has announced another major leak release this time re. Iraq. What is also extremely

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
This will be my first and last post on this topic (again). I've just finished watching some videos about what wikileaks have been doing. It appears that they released a bunch of documents that revealed information such as GPS co-ords + details of those who co-op'd with soldiers. He also posted

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
Hi Cal, I can appreciate his previous efforts, but what he has done here is put many lifes at risk, both civilians and soldiers. Agreed. Just to play devils advocate: Would Barrack Obama also be culpable? His campaign platform included a withdrawl from Iraq (Afghanistan was a different story).

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:51 AM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up This will be my first and last post on this topic (again

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Harry Behrens
Am 21.10.2010 18:54, schrieb T Biehn: An entity that has the resources that would provoke such a hollywood esque tweet wouldn't have the ability to gag the twitter account before this release? would it, would it want to, has it missed it..who knows? Wouldn't that mean the tweet is a load

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Roger
I believe that most of the times it is not what you defend but how you defend it. I believe in Government transparency but the way WL is going about it it's not right, in my honest opinion. So this is good news in my opinion... -r ___ Full-Disclosure -

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Ana Kismet
I have seen nothing released that reveals sensitive information such as GPS co-ords + details of those who co-op'd with soldiers. This is a rumor. If you have proof that this is not a rumor, please post it. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Camden Buzard
According to the secretary of defense, it's definitely a rumor: A letter from Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates to Comittee of Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin dated August 16 but recently made available to the public says, The initial assessment in no way discounts the risk to national

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
I apologise for this, I had heard this in, what I had believed to be, a credible news report. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Camden Buzard camde...@aptalaska.netwrote: According to the secretary of defense, it's definitely a rumor: A letter from Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates to

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Timko
-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up I believe that most of the times it is not what you defend but how you defend it. I believe in Government transparency but the way WL is going about it it's not right, in my honest opinion. So this is good news in my opinion... -r

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread Jonathan Medina
I am in the military, currently in Iraq, and these Wikileaks posts have hurt us more than people realize. It does two things, first, it demonstrates our tactics and procedures which allow insurgents to conduct more effective attacks against us, and second, the information it provides to insurgents

Re: [Full-disclosure] wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

2010-10-21 Thread BMF
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Charles Timko charles.ti...@hotmail.com wrote: Agreed. I am all for the transparency, but WL is possibly putting our troops at risk by releasing military strategy.  I wouldn't expect JA to think that From:

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-08 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
Sorry but I find the whole subject incredibly boring, as do quite a few other people (again, each to their own). Because, when it comes down to it, breaches happen all the time, and cryptome/wikileaks is no different. It's really is *just another website*, despite what it is used for and

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-08 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk wrote:  Sorry but I find the whole subject incredibly boring, as do quite a few other people (again, each to their own). To play devils advocate: if two folks find the topic boring, would it

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-08 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
Yeah, I think I've managed to inadvertently done the very thing I was complaining about to begin with. Last post on this from me! On 08/10/2010 12:39, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk wrote:

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-08 Thread J. Oquendo
Harry Behrens wrote: If you don't understand why something like Wikileaks being down with no obvious reason or explanation is an issue - then I guess continue sleeping... And it is indeed a security issue - in fact of international proportions.. Oh please. The world does not stop for

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-08 Thread Christian Sciberras
I've been reading the list of emails with some mild interest and Mr Oquendo couldn't have hit a better answer. If I had to pick one, I'd vote for Why would Wikipedia be down? Anyway, let me say one thing. What happened to all the fuss about dll hijack exploits? Did they live up to their

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-08 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 10/8/2010 9:41 AM, J. Oquendo wrote: Harry Behrens wrote: And it is indeed a security issue - in fact of international proportions.. ... Security issue of international proportions my ass. If I may try to interpret what's going on here (and apologies to both parties if I get it wrong), I

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-08 Thread J. Oquendo
Jonathan Kamens wrote: J. is not so sanguine about the mission of Wikileaks and/or how well it fulfills it and/or how important it is for protecting our lives and liberties. As we see from this comment: How well it protects who's liberties. Show me some factual information on where it

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-08 Thread OTB
Christian Sciberras wrote: Want a piece of my mind? Read Schneier article on the 'SCADA' virus... Cheers, Chris. Wait. You wrote that article? I always figured Schneier had ghostwriters. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter:

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread PsychoBilly
False assertion, it's an attention whoring story for anyone in #sec..or in RPG 1- Fetch sparce elements wget: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/cryptome-hacked/ https://eta.securesslhost.net/~pgpboar/viewtopic.php?f=2t=129

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
I still maintain this is completely out of topic for full-disclosure. Maybe there should be a new list for this kind of gossip whoring? [gossip-disclosure] maybe... *shrugs* On 07/10/2010 13:53, PsychoBilly wrote: False assertion, it's an attention whoring story for anyone in #sec..or in RPG

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread Benji
-To: cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks I still maintain this is completely out of topic for full-disclosure. Maybe there should be a new list for this kind of gossip whoring? [gossip-disclosure] maybe... *shrugs* On 07/10/2010 13:53, PsychoBilly wrote

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:05:18 To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Reply-To: cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks I still maintain this is completely out of topic for full-disclosure. Maybe there should

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks I still maintain this is completely out of topic for full-disclosure. Maybe there should be a new list for this kind of gossip whoring? [gossip-disclosure] maybe... *shrugs* On 07/10/2010 13:53, PsychoBilly wrote: False assertion, it's

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread Paul Schmehl
: Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]        cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk Sender: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:05:18 To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Reply-To: cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks  I

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
[Simplicity Media Ltd] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:54 AM To: Paul Schmehl; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks *sighs* On 07/10/2010 19:53, Paul Schmehl wrote: Then you will be whining for a long time. I was the second person to subscribe to this list

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks *sighs* On 07/10/2010 19:53, Paul Schmehl wrote: Then you will be whining for a long time. I was the second person to subscribe to this list, and I can guarantee you that no amount of whining will change it. The bozos who

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread Harry Behrens
Am 07.10.2010 22:37, schrieb Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]: Yeah, you both have valid points. In this case though, I really just don't see why everyone is so hyped up about the wikileaks / cryptome stuff. :S If you don't understand why something like Wikileaks being down with no

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-07 Thread Harry Behrens
Am 07.10.2010 22:37, schrieb Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]: Yeah, you both have valid points. In this case though, I really just don't see why everyone is so hyped up about the wikileaks / cryptome stuff. :S If you don't understand why something like Wikileaks being down with no

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-06 Thread Juha-Matti Laurio
It's the newest tweet still. Juha-Matti Jeffrey Walton [noloa...@gmail.com] kirjoitti: The latest is kind of funny (Latest smear attempt: Chinese spy agency gave WikiLeaks $20M). Just call it a 'PAC Contribution' and everything will be fine. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Juha-Matti

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-06 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
I'm not sure why everyone is so fussed about this tbh.. And surely, full-disclosure is no place for such a discussion either.. /rant On 06/10/2010 19:06, Juha-Matti Laurio wrote: It's the newest tweet still. Juha-Matti Jeffrey Walton [noloa...@gmail.com] kirjoitti: The latest is kind of

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-06 Thread Harry Behrens
Two days ago I managed to find somebody (Anny) on their web chat. She didn't say much, only that it's supposed to be up in a week or so and that the issues are technical vs. political. I still believe it smells of fish. And to kinda paraphrase: Just because J Assange is a raving paranoid

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-04 Thread Juha-Matti Laurio
And nothing related is not tweeted at http://twitter.com/wikileaks Juha-Matti Harry Behrens [ha...@behrens.com] kirjoitti: for 5 days and nothing about this to be found on google. Does anybody have an idea what is happening here - it does smell slightly fishy... -h

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks

2010-10-04 Thread Jeffrey Walton
The latest is kind of funny (Latest smear attempt: Chinese spy agency gave WikiLeaks $20M). Just call it a 'PAC Contribution' and everything will be fine. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Juha-Matti Laurio juha-matti.lau...@netti.fi wrote: And nothing related is not tweeted at

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks underoing (sic) scheduled maintenance

2010-10-04 Thread PsychoBilly
http://www.pgpboard.com/viewtopic.php?f=2t=125 dadamdadam dadam fire proof @ least!!! probably just assange throwing a tantrum 2010/10/3 Harry Behrens ha...@behrens.com mailto:ha...@behrens.com for 5 days and nothing about this to be found on google. Does anybody have an idea

Re: [Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks underoing (sic) scheduled maintenance

2010-10-04 Thread huj huj huj
probably just assange throwing a tantrum 2010/10/3 Harry Behrens ha...@behrens.com for 5 days and nothing about this to be found on google. Does anybody have an idea what is happening here - it does smell slightly fishy... -h ___

[Full-disclosure] WikiLeaks underoing (sic) scheduled maintenance

2010-10-03 Thread Harry Behrens
for 5 days and nothing about this to be found on google. Does anybody have an idea what is happening here - it does smell slightly fishy... -h ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: