Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 01:11:57AM +, Ethan Raynor wrote: > I can understand personal opinions - they're important and they happen > all the time with projects, I understand that. But I don't think it is > very fair to say I should not read it - when I won't know weather it's > there or not to

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:58:42AM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 01:52:51AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > By the way, any idea why "make distcheck" has never caught the > > faulty uninstallation of the symlinks? > > Nope, no idea. > > I find dist/distcheck to be some seriou

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Ethan Raynor
Hi, I can understand personal opinions - they're important and they happen all the time with projects, I understand that. But I don't think it is very fair to say I should not read it - when I won't know weather it's there or not to start with. So I think just not having those conversations is bet

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Dominik Vogt
Please don't top post on the fvwm lists. On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:44:47AM +, Ethan Raynor wrote: > it's those points i would like to see put elsewhere I've completely understood that it bothers you. If you don't want to read it, don't. This is an unavoidable part of public software develo

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Thomas Adam
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 01:52:51AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > It's still not good. Isn't there a standard Automake way to > install shell scripts? IIRC, there's bin_SCRIPTS -- ah, poking around reveals this: https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Scripts.html Although we're al

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 05:13:22PM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 04:09:14PM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > Bofore you start working on that, please take a look at the > > dv/fix-transform-name branch. > > OK, this looks good. I'm surprised that FvwmCommand.sh is installed to

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Ethan Raynor
Hi, You must permit me an observation as I am quite new here - but most of the emails I've read recently have only a little on fvwm and the rest of the content is mostly personal - it's those points i would like to see put elsewhere as that doesnt have much - if anything- to do with fvwm. or am i

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:07:42AM +, Ethan Raynor wrote: > Is it OK to request these sorts of conversations take place someplace > else? No. If there's one place for discussing fvwm development, it's this mailing list. Ciao Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Ethan Raynor
Hi, Is it OK to request these sorts of conversations take place someplace else? I did not know before that there's a lot of heated conversations. I don't want to have to read these. Please be considerate. Or agree on something and move on, may be? Ethan On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Dominik

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Thomas Adam
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 04:09:14PM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Bofore you start working on that, please take a look at the > dv/fix-transform-name branch. OK, this looks good. I'm surprised that FvwmCommand.sh is installed to /.../libexec/fvwm/$(VERSION) without execute permissions. But this i

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:03:52PM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > We won't need the > fvwm2 symlink at all since that would be misleading, surely? Yes, it's time to remove it (and the fvwm2.1 symlink), and probably the xpmroot symlink too. Ciao Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:03:52PM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 04:30:23AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:06:19AM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:43:13AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > Why on earth do we have to repeat

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:03:52PM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 04:30:23AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:06:19AM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:43:13AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > > Why on earth do we have to repeat

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Thomas Adam
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 04:30:23AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:06:19AM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:43:13AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > Why on earth do we have to repeat the mistake of the past by > > > putting the version number in the p

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-13 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:06:19AM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:43:13AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > Why on earth do we have to repeat the mistake of the past by > > putting the version number in the project name *again*? Every > > other project manages backwards incomp

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-12 Thread Thomas Adam
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 02:43:13AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Why on earth do we have to repeat the mistake of the past by > putting the version number in the project name *again*? Every > other project manages backwards incompatible releases just fine, > only fvwm changes its name with each maj

Re: fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-12 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 01:05:23AM +, Thomas Adam wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 01:23:23AM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > > "Copying" was a bad choice of words. With fvwm3, what I would suggest is > > taking the current fvwm2 repository (including all of its branches) and > > making that the b

fvwm3 repo (WAS: Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.)

2016-11-12 Thread Thomas Adam
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 01:23:23AM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > "Copying" was a bad choice of words. With fvwm3, what I would suggest is > taking the current fvwm2 repository (including all of its branches) and > making that the basis for fvwm3. That way, we can change it however we like. > We're

Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.

2016-10-27 Thread Ethan Raynor
Hi, On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Dominik Vogt wrote: I'm just a recent user of fvwm full time and haven't been around long enough to appreciate many of the issues raised in this email. I can see though that fvwm's history goes back a long way and that might have a few reasons why these issu

Re: Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.

2016-10-26 Thread Thomas Adam
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:30:08AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > From the point of view of the users and the people reading > fvwm-workers I am very sceptical. We have already abandoned cvs > in favour of git, and as you can see, this has even further > reduced the number of old timers who have set

Separate or common project infrastructure fvwm v2/v3.

2016-10-26 Thread Dominik Vogt
This is important enough to warrant a separate discussion thread. On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 01:45:46PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > Oh, and the point of a separate repo still stands, in my eyes. You might > think it moot, or even an unnecessary point, but I feel it's a very important > one. It rein