Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-18 Thread Nestamicky
On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Ralph Green wrote: Yes. I should have said 80 wire. The connectors are all 40 pin. I usually save the 40 pin cables for older systems. But, it is good to know that you can use them for any parallel ATA drive, in a pinch. I help people rebuild older systems

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread Ralph Green
Howdy, Use any flat IDE cable you want. Use 80 pin cables if you want speeds greater than 33 megabytes per second. Use CS if you are prepared to have your computer guess which drive is which and whether you have the right cable. Set the master/slave settings if you want to know it will work.

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread Nestamicky
On Jun 17, 2009, at 4:11 AM, Ralph Green wrote: Use any flat IDE cable you want. Use 80 pin cables if you want speeds greater than 33 megabytes per second. I thought an IDE cable is an IDE cable is anso when you say to use 80 pin IDE for increased speed, what do you mean? Please expand

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread Len Gerstel
On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Nestamicky wrote: On Jun 17, 2009, at 4:11 AM, Ralph Green wrote: Use any flat IDE cable you want. Use 80 pin cables if you want speeds greater than 33 megabytes per second. I thought an IDE cable is an IDE cable is anso when you say to use 80 pin

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread PeterH
On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:11 AM, Ralph Green wrote: Use any flat IDE cable you want. Only if you want to force the lowest possible performance, as without the additional information available using the technique previously mentioned, the 'puter has no other choice but to force basic mode

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread irrational john
On Jun 17, 10:37 am, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:11 AM, Ralph Green wrote: Use CS if you are prepared to have your computer guess which drive is which and whether you have the right cable. There is no guessing involved. The drive which is connected to

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread insightinmind
The problem I was having may have been due to a nearby PCI card crimping the Apple supplied short mobo ATA cable: I had also mounted my drive in the top position of the QSs piggyback sled, for better air flow. Of course when trying to debug a sole drive dropping off the desktop, you can

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread irrational john
On Jun 17, 10:15 am, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Someone stated (Peter, I believe, if I understood correctly) Apple,   historically,  uses an HP/Compaq patented Startup protocol that   requires the Cable Select (slitted) off the mobo ATA cable at   Startup, then, depending

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread PeterH
On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, irrational john wrote: I'm basing that on what I read in this Wikipedia article which sounds credible to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment#Cable_select As usual Wiki is Wiki. Take it or leave it, as you choose. The background for the CS, first,

(SOLVED) Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread insightinmind
Thanks all. I'm satisfied that this thread is finished, problem solved, and then some. Bill Connelly --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-17 Thread Ralph Green
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 09:27 -0400, Len Gerstel wrote: On Jun 17, 2009, at 4:11 AM, Ralph Green wrote: Use any flat IDE cable you want. Use 80 pin cables if you want speeds greater than 33 megabytes per second. I thought an IDE cable is an IDE cable is anso when you say

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-15 Thread Dan
At 10:09 AM -0400 6/15/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: My Seagate PATA 750GB drive (an Ultra ATA drive) has dropped out from time to time off my mobo IDE channel, and it has brought up the question of should I be using CS Mode or change it to Master / Slave (Master, since I only have one drive).

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-15 Thread dc
On Jun 15, 10:09 am, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: My Seagate PATA 750GB  drive (an Ultra ATA drive) has dropped out from   time to time off my mobo IDE channel, and it has brought up the   question of should I be using CS Mode or change it to Master / Slave   (Master, since I

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-15 Thread insightinmind
On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:09 AM -0400 6/15/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: My Seagate PATA 750GB drive (an Ultra ATA drive) has dropped out from time to time off my mobo IDE channel, and it has brought up the question of should I be using CS Mode or change it to Master

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-15 Thread insightinmind
On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:44 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:49 AM, insightinmind wrote: Funny ... the top of the Seagate drives say use Cable Select for its Ultra ATA drive ... but one of Apple's docs says Cable Select won't work for Ultra ATAs in the Quicksilver 2002 and other G4s

Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)

2009-06-15 Thread PeterH
On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:18 PM, insightinmind wrote: Just for the main hard drive connection: So it is NOT ok to use the UltraATA cable (Space Shuttle-D, Cd Pb Free, 80wire/40pin) supplied in a Retail Box Kit along with a Seagate UltraATA drive as the cable off the Apple mobo, because of a