Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-10 Thread ah...clem
On Sep 9, 2:44 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: for the price of a faster dual processor upgrade card, you could buy a way way way faster dual g5. -Jonas true, and the advantages are not just in the CPU clockspeeds. when i compare the QS/1GDP to a G5/2GDP, the difference is

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-10 Thread ah...clem
just one small point, to a certain extent, you're comparing apples and oranges, because IIRC, the QS/733 was one of the CPUs apple put out with no backside cache. that makes a big difference. again, IIRC, the DA/733s were much faster than the QS/733s for that very reason. On Sep 8, 5:17 pm,

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-10 Thread Mac User #330250
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Which is a faster option? Date:Donnerstag, 10. September 2009N From:ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com just one small point, to a certain extent, you're comparing apples and oranges, because

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-10 Thread Mac User #330250
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Which is a faster option? Date:Donnerstag, 10. September 2009N From:ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Sep 9, 2:34 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: 1) The apps are not dual

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-10 Thread Mac User #330250
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Which is a faster option? Date:Donnerstag, 10. September 2009N From:Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Like coding a video, the decoding of it is also mostly CPU work at first, the decoded

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-10 Thread Len Gerstel
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:51 AM, ah...clem wrote: On Sep 9, 2:34 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: 1) The apps are not dual processor aware. Most apps are. Even VLC player is and will split the load across the 2 processors of a dual. 2) You are not doing anything with these systems

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread falst...@46
She lives in the same town. She doesn't use photoshop but does do video renering/conversion. But she has one of those Miglia USB video H264 dongles that is suppossed to take most of the pressure off the CPU's for that job. Other than that it's just internet. email and youtube. So I'm not sure she

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:59 AM, falst...@46 wrote: She lives in the same town. She doesn't use photoshop but does do video renering/conversion. But she has one of those Miglia USB video H264 dongles that is suppossed to take most of the pressure off the CPU's for that job. Other than that it's

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread ah...clem
Bruce Johnson wrote: Len and Andreas clearly have more recent experience than I on this subject; I'd go with their recommendations and stick to the Dual 1 Gig. i can only add my personal experience. i do not use the apps you mention. i do use apps (gaussian and spartan) that do very CPU

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread Len Gerstel
On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:20 PM, ah...clem wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Len and Andreas clearly have more recent experience than I on this subject; I'd go with their recommendations and stick to the Dual 1 Gig. i can only add my personal experience. i do not use the apps you mention. i do

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread John Niven
--- On Wed, 9/9/09, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Len and Andreas clearly have more recent experience than I on this subject; I'd go with their recommendations and stick to the Dual 1 Gig. i can only add my personal experience.  i do not use the apps you

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:20 AM, ah...clem wrote: i never have other apps open when the computations are in progress. i compared a QS/933 to a QS/1GDP and found that on computations that required several hours to complete, the 933MHz was (within 0.5%) exactly 93.3% as fast as the dual 1 gig.

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread Jonas Ulrich
for the price of a faster dual processor upgrade card, you could buy a way way way faster dual g5. -Jonas On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:20 AM, ah...clem wrote: i never have other apps open when the computations are

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread falst...@46
I already have the card. So it's not a cost issue at this time. As mentioned above, this question has been raised and discussed on the net before. Most discussions tend to spiral into personal preference discussions. I was looking for a more definative answer in actual benefits or lack thereof to

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread Clark Martin
John Niven wrote: I find this thread rather surprising. If you research the web, this used to be a popular Mac question: should I buy the dual or the single? The answer used to be that you would see no difference unless you were using one of the few multiple processor aware apps (i.e.

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread falst...@46
I would actually like to take issue that the Mac OS did not support multi processors. I seem to remember several machines that were multi processor from the 603e era, including one with 4 processors, if memory serves, made by one of the clone manufacturers and I believe the 8600 and 9600 were

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread WhyOSX
A few days ago. there was an offer of a 1.8GHz card for a G4 as I have in use at this present moment, It went up to over € 250 (300 $US) - a G5 could be purchased for that (nearly). for the price of a faster dual processor upgrade card, you could buy a way way way faster dual g5. -Jonas

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:04 PM, falst...@46 wrote: I would actually like to take issue that the Mac OS did not support multi processors. I seem to remember several machines that were multi processor from the 603e era, including one with 4 processors, if memory serves, made by one of the clone

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread John Niven
: From: falst...@46 paulall...@cox.net Subject: Re: Which is a faster option? To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:04 PM I would actually like to take issue that the Mac OS did not support multi processors. I seem to remember several machines that were

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:33 PM, John Niven wrote: That was my point. Apple DID make multiprocesser Macs BEFORE they had an OS that would use them, which is why this single/dual question was previously subjective. It depended on what apps you were going to use. OSX changed that.

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread WhyOSX
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Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread Dan
At 11:30 AM -0700 9/9/2009, John Niven wrote: I find this thread rather surprising. If you research the web, this used to be a popular Mac question: should I buy the dual or the single? [snip] and it maxed out BOTH cpu bars. So I rather fancy that I'd prefer a slower dual than a faster single.

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-09 Thread ah...clem
On Sep 9, 2:34 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: 1) The apps are not dual processor aware. Most apps are. Even VLC   player is and will split the load across the 2 processors of a dual. 2) You are not doing anything with these systems while the apps are   running. Since they do not

Which is a faster option?

2009-09-08 Thread Falstaff46
My sister has a dual 1ghz Quicksilver and would like to upgrade the processor. I have a Sonnet 1.4ghz card that will fit but am wondering if it would really be any faster (if not slower) than the current dual processor she has. Any thoughts? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-08 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Falstaff46 wrote: My sister has a dual 1ghz Quicksilver and would like to upgrade the processor. I have a Sonnet 1.4ghz card that will fit but am wondering if it would really be any faster (if not slower) than the current dual processor she has. Any thoughts?

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-08 Thread Len Gerstel
On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Falstaff46 wrote: My sister has a dual 1ghz Quicksilver and would like to upgrade the processor. I have a Sonnet 1.4ghz card that will fit but am wondering if it would really be any faster (if not slower) than

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-08 Thread Mac User #330250
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Which is a faster option? Date:Dienstag, 8. September 2009N From:Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Falstaff46 wrote: My sister has a dual 1ghz Quicksilver

Re: Which is a faster option?

2009-09-08 Thread Len Gerstel
On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Falstaff46 wrote: My sister has a dual 1ghz Quicksilver and would like to upgrade the processor. I have a Sonnet 1.4ghz card that will fit but am wondering if it would really be any faster (if not slower) than the current dual processor she has. Any thoughts?