Re: Best G4 powermac??

[Paxton]

>
> Depending on what people say, I'm going to buy the dual 1ghz quicksilver
> that i listed above.
> -Jonas
>
>
>
> Jonas,
> There is a discrepancy in the description.
> States dual processor in one place & single in another. I would confirm this
> with seller.
> Other differences between this & the link Bill posted:
>   DVD drive   super drive
> not a big deal if you plan on putting in new optical.
>   256 MB   1GB
>   80 GB HD   40 GB
>


I too noticed the discrepancy. It is worth checking with the seller.

You probably can get it for openers if you want to bid the minimum. I
checked completed sales and there were several recently sold below
$200 including one for $125. Looks like prices are dropping.

Paxton
-- 
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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[RTOWSLEY]

In a message dated 3/12/09 12:45:44 AM, jonasulrich3...@gmail.com writes:


> Depending on what people say, I'm going to buy the dual 1ghz quicksilver 
> that i listed above.
> -Jonas
> 
> 

Jonas,
There is a discrepancy in the description.
States dual processor in one place & single in another. I would confirm this 
with seller.
Other differences between this & the link Bill posted:
   DVD drive   super drive
 not a big deal if you plan on putting in new optical.
   256 MB1GB
   80 GB HD40 GB

Good luck whichever way you go
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Re: LEM Server Project Update

[tortoise]

On Mar 10, 1:50 pm, Dan  wrote:
>
> >Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:15:25 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: Dan the listmom 
> >To: LEM Swap 
> >Subject: LEM Server Project Update
>
> >Friends:
>
> >I'd like to say thanks to list members who are helping us set up a
> >Power Mac G4 server here at Low End Mac headquarters. The original
> >plan was to upgrade to Comcast Business and host Low End Mac here to
> >save on hosting fees, but several people pointed out the danger of
> >down time due to power outages.
>
> Also consider reliability and other problems with Comcast's network.
>≈
> Make a deal with a neighbor, to give you a jump-start as needed.
>
>
how about co-location ? around here you can rent a niche with full
bandwidth and total UPS for ~$100/mo.
assuming your machine is reliable. Also an option is to have 2 single
cpu machines in a mini cluster for
backup.

>
> >Instead, we're setting up a development server that may also function
> >as a mirror of lowendmac.com just in case our primary server has
> >problems. We'll also be hosting a few low traffic sites that don't
> >make us money, saving us a bit on hosting fees every month.

co-location again a possibility ?


>
> >If I can get this 1.8 GHz dual G4 upgrade working, we may further
> >change our plans and turn it into our production machine, replacing
> >our dual 1 GHz MDD Power Mac G4, which would then become our in-house
> >server. (Alas, the upgrade doesn't work with the 167 MHz bus in the
> >MDD Power Mac.) We'll see what happens with this upgrade.

Consider the electricity costs for a full-time server at 400watts
versus a
1ghz Tibook at 40 watts... (plus a built in UPS).

>
> >Thanks again to many generous list members for their support.
>
> >Dan Knight, publisher, Low End Mac
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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[MacGuy]

>
>
> Fan noise is a problem on the MDD model.
>>>
>
>


I've had a 1.25 dual MDD with 4 hard drives, 2 optical drives and  
stock Delta fans Honestly, I've owned 3 G5 powermacs and I can  
say, this MDD might be a bit louder? but not much. I picked this one  
nicely loaded with 2gb or ram for a 300 "buy it now" on ebay, paid the  
35 bucks for the squaretrade warranty. I'm very happy with it. Jeff

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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[jonas ulrich]

Depending on what people say, I'm going to buy the dual 1ghz quicksilver
that i listed above.-Jonas

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:37 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:15 PM, mythmaker18 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 11, 9:05 pm, jonas ulrich  wrote:
> >> I have heard about the 733 qs that because of the cache they run at
> >> about
> >> 533mhz. Is this true of the 800MHZ?-Jonas
> >>
> >
> > A 733 Digital Audio (previous model year) will run circles around a
> > Quicksilver 733, because of the QS's lack of L3 cache.
> >
> > Yes, as others have said, the 800MHz single (QS 2002) also lacks the
> > L3.
> >
> > Is there any particular reason (apart from prices) that anyone would
> > prefer a Digital Audio or Quicksilver to the Mirrored-Door machines? I
> > think the MDDs support more RAM (2GB?), I thought I heard rumours
> > about reliability problems with some MDD models (maybe not enough
> > cooling in the case)?
>
> Fan noise is a problem on the MDD model.
> > >
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[George R. Hozendorf]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:15 PM, mythmaker18 wrote:

>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 9:05 pm, jonas ulrich  wrote:
>> I have heard about the 733 qs that because of the cache they run at  
>> about
>> 533mhz. Is this true of the 800MHZ?-Jonas
>>
>
> A 733 Digital Audio (previous model year) will run circles around a
> Quicksilver 733, because of the QS's lack of L3 cache.
>
> Yes, as others have said, the 800MHz single (QS 2002) also lacks the
> L3.
>
> Is there any particular reason (apart from prices) that anyone would
> prefer a Digital Audio or Quicksilver to the Mirrored-Door machines? I
> think the MDDs support more RAM (2GB?), I thought I heard rumours
> about reliability problems with some MDD models (maybe not enough
> cooling in the case)?

Fan noise is a problem on the MDD model.
> >


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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[jonas ulrich]

This is the one I'm considering...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-Power-Mac-G4-Tower-Dual-1GHz-80Gb-256Mb-DVD-M8493_W0QQitemZ200318740846QQihZ010QQcategoryZ111418QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Is this a good deal?
-Jonas

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:28 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

> The reason I am avoiding the MDD's is because they are freaking expensive!
> I probably won't be doing processor upgrades. I want one with the large
> drive support and the L3 cache unlike the early quicksilvers.-Jonas
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:17 PM, mythmaker18 wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > The single 800 was the low end of the 2002 second generation QSs and
>> > is cacheless like the 733 and to be avoided.
>>
>>
>> Of course, if you plan on doing a processor upgrade, then there's
>> really no reason to avoid the 733 '01 or the 800 '02, since the L3
>> cache is on the processor board anyway. You could get a nice bargain.
>> >>
>>
>

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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[jonas ulrich]

The reason I am avoiding the MDD's is because they are freaking expensive!
I probably won't be doing processor upgrades. I want one with the large
drive support and the L3 cache unlike the early quicksilvers.-Jonas

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:17 PM, mythmaker18  wrote:

>
>
> >
> > The single 800 was the low end of the 2002 second generation QSs and
> > is cacheless like the 733 and to be avoided.
>
>
> Of course, if you plan on doing a processor upgrade, then there's
> really no reason to avoid the 733 '01 or the 800 '02, since the L3
> cache is on the processor board anyway. You could get a nice bargain.
> >
>

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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[mythmaker18]

>
> The single 800 was the low end of the 2002 second generation QSs and
> is cacheless like the 733 and to be avoided.


Of course, if you plan on doing a processor upgrade, then there's
really no reason to avoid the 733 '01 or the 800 '02, since the L3
cache is on the processor board anyway. You could get a nice bargain.
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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[mythmaker18]

On Mar 11, 9:05 pm, jonas ulrich  wrote:
> I have heard about the 733 qs that because of the cache they run at about
> 533mhz. Is this true of the 800MHZ?-Jonas
>

A 733 Digital Audio (previous model year) will run circles around a
Quicksilver 733, because of the QS's lack of L3 cache.

Yes, as others have said, the 800MHz single (QS 2002) also lacks the
L3.

Is there any particular reason (apart from prices) that anyone would
prefer a Digital Audio or Quicksilver to the Mirrored-Door machines? I
think the MDDs support more RAM (2GB?), I thought I heard rumours
about reliability problems with some MDD models (maybe not enough
cooling in the case)?
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Re: Word Mac Virus - Really curious

[nestamicky]

Bruce Johnson wrote:
> On Mar 7, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Stephen Weber wrote:
>
>   
>> She might want to try a brand name antivirus like Norton or McAfee (If
>> McAfee makes it for macs), I know McAfee for the PC scans before for  
>> viruses
>> before installing.
>> I use McAfee for my laptop and Norton for Mac OS 9.
>> I have  all the auto scanning and auto protection off for Norton, to  
>> save
>> System resources.
>> 
>
>
> She doesn't.
>
> Both of those products are crap-piles you pay for. Since there are no  
> OS X viruses in the wild, you're paying for protection from something  
> that cannot ever harm your computer.
>
> I wouldn't let Norton's  have a foothold on my computer...
>
>   
Come on folks, get with the program. Bruce has been talking about 
Norton, etc, for a while now. Come on people, let's put our mac hats 
onthe day I run an anti virus on my mac...well, I tell ya, something 
is happening to the universe. I simply won't. I this the OP should tell 
her friend to get Open Office. Ditch Word. As regards fixing the current 
problem...take the machine to someone who can start that poppy using a 
Firewire, get in the HD, delete word, copy the .doc files, install Open 
Office and let OO deal with them.

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Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...

[nestamicky]

Bruce Johnson wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 7:41 AM, nestamicky wrote:
>
>   
>>> They exaggerate greatly, no way are these cameras truly 1.3  
>>> megapixels.
>>>
>>> I was playing with mine and at that resolution (1280x1024) there were
>>> horrible, horrible jaggies in the image.
>>>   
>
>
> Well, upon further experimentation, the jaggies were the result of two  
> things: the low light conditions, and some peculiarities with their  
> snapshot function. Here is a test image taken under better conditions.
>
> 
>
> (Student group had a bake sale this morning...)
>
> Bottom line, it looks as though the claimed resolution of 1280 x 1024  
> (1.3 megapixels) is based on an interlaced video signal. The snapshot  
> takes one frame.
>
> The true resolution of the CCD is very likely 640x512, so when it's  
> blown up to full claimed resolution it looks like crap. Their included  
> video monitor properly interlaces both frames and displays it as a  
> single image on the screen, so the OS screen cap looks better.
>
> Not exactly false advertising, but quite close, imo. It could also  
> just be the Mac driver, as well. I haven't installed it under Windows  
> to see what it looks like there.
>
> As a video chat camera, under good lighting, it's looks to be a good  
> webcam...it's just too bad it isn't a USB2 camera, so it works  
> natively with iChat.
>   
Until your last comment about USB2, I believed that iChat will only work 
with Firewire camera's. You learn everyday, if you're willing and ready 
to. Thanks a lot Bruce.

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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[PeterH]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 7:25 PM, insightinmind wrote:

> Is this the one?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-PowerMac-1GHz-DP-1GB-Superdrive-40GB- 
> Quicksilver_W0QQitemZ370171584905QQcmdZViewItemQQptZApple_Desktops? 
> hash=item370171584905&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66% 
> 3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
>
> I believe that is a QS 2002 and it would have the L3 cache. Same as  
> mine here at home.
>

2 MB of L3 cache per processor.


> Ask the Seller, though. Shipping not free on this one.
>
>

$30 flat rate for shipping is most reasonable.


You will want to replace the optical drive.

Most of the so-called "super drives" in these specific models are  
DVR-104s and do not support + media well (if at all) and cannot do  
DL, period.



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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[PeterH]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:55 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

> I am looking at a dual 1ghz on ebay for $200 free shipping. Good  
> deal? Will this one have cache?

$200 would be a good price.

These will have 2 MB of cache for each processor.

This is a great, fast processor ... highly desirable.


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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[PeterH]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:05 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

> I have heard about the 733 qs that because of the cache they run at  
> about 533mhz. Is this true of the 800MHZ?

I believe both the dual 800 MHz and the dual 1.0 GHz have 2 MB of  
cache per processor.

There are indeed certain single processor G4s which have no cache  
(yet the board layout includes a place for the cache chips). I  
believe the 800 MHz single is one of these.



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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[insightinmind]

Check the model number against Mactracker.

Could also ask the Seller (then its "binding").

Is this the one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-PowerMac-1GHz-DP-1GB-Superdrive-40GB- 
Quicksilver_W0QQitemZ370171584905QQcmdZViewItemQQptZApple_Desktops? 
hash=item370171584905&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2| 
65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

I believe that is a QS 2002 and it would have the L3 cache. Same as  
mine here at home.

Ask the Seller, though. Shipping not free on this one.

Good luck.

Bill

On Mar 11, 2009, at 9:55 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

> I am looking at a dual 1ghz on ebay for $200 free shipping. Good  
> deal? Will this one have cache?
> -Jonas
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Len Gerstel   
> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 9:05 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:
>
> > I have heard about the 733 qs that because of the cache they run at
> > about 533mhz. Is this true of the 800MHZ?
> > -Jonas
>
> The single 800 was the low end of the 2002 second generation QSs and
> is cacheless like the 733 and to be avoided. The dual 800 was the high
> end of the 2001 first generation and has a L3 cache and is a good
> processor card.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
> >

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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[jonas ulrich]

I am looking at a dual 1ghz on ebay for $200 free shipping. Good deal? Will
this one have cache?-Jonas

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Len Gerstel  wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 9:05 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:
>
> > I have heard about the 733 qs that because of the cache they run at
> > about 533mhz. Is this true of the 800MHZ?
> > -Jonas
>
> The single 800 was the low end of the 2002 second generation QSs and
> is cacheless like the 733 and to be avoided. The dual 800 was the high
> end of the 2001 first generation and has a L3 cache and is a good
> processor card.
>
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>
>
> >
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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[Len Gerstel]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 9:05 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

> I have heard about the 733 qs that because of the cache they run at  
> about 533mhz. Is this true of the 800MHZ?
> -Jonas

The single 800 was the low end of the 2002 second generation QSs and  
is cacheless like the 733 and to be avoided. The dual 800 was the high  
end of the 2001 first generation and has a L3 cache and is a good  
processor card.

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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[jonas ulrich]

I have heard about the 733 qs that because of the cache they run at about
533mhz. Is this true of the 800MHZ?-Jonas

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 4:32 PM, PeterH  wrote:

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>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 4:08 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:
>
> > I am looking to upgrade my numerous existing powermac g4s and g3s
> > with one good powermac. I want dual processors. I have looked at
> > the quicksilvers and the MDD's. What would be the best one for my
> > money. I will be running mac os 10.4 server.
>
> Most economical would be the DA or QS.
>
> Both are amenable to the LBA48 property addition to the ROM, thereby
> giving both the capability of the QS 2002 and later G4 Macs.
>
> I would recommend the dual 1.0 GHz from the QS 2002 over the dual 800
> MHz from the QS 2001.
>
> The DA (any variant) and the QS 2001 and QS 2002 are 133 MHz bus
> machines, with four spare PCI slots in addition to the standard AGP
> video slot, and 1.5 GB RAM, maximum.
>
> These are very inexpensive, and are maximally trouble-free.
>
> If you must install a non-Apple CPU, the Giga-Designs and OWC are the
> same, and are available in singles and, occasionally, in duals.
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Re: Quick question: cache relief?

[Dana Collins]

On 3/11/09 8:04 PM, Bruce Johnson of john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu sent

> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Dana Collins wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi gang,
>> A quickie, por favor:
>> I need to clear some bloated hidden caches on some of our Leopard
>> units. Can't remember:
>> is it Onyx that can do this, or AppleJack, or Mac-Janitor? Or all?
> 
> Booting in safe-mode (hold down the shift key while booting) clears
> caches, and does other things as well.
> 
> 
Even easier; thanks, Bruce!
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Re: Quick question: cache relief?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Dana Collins wrote:

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> Hi gang,
> A quickie, por favor:
> I need to clear some bloated hidden caches on some of our Leopard
> units. Can't remember:
> is it Onyx that can do this, or AppleJack, or Mac-Janitor? Or all?

Booting in safe-mode (hold down the shift key while booting) clears  
caches, and does other things as well.



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Quick question: cache relief?

[Dana Collins]

Hi gang,
A quickie, por favor:
I need to clear some bloated hidden caches on some of our Leopard
units. Can't remember:
is it Onyx that can do this, or AppleJack, or Mac-Janitor? Or all?
Many thanks,
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Re: Best G4 powermac??

[PeterH]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 4:08 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

> I am looking to upgrade my numerous existing powermac g4s and g3s  
> with one good powermac. I want dual processors. I have looked at  
> the quicksilvers and the MDD's. What would be the best one for my  
> money. I will be running mac os 10.4 server.

Most economical would be the DA or QS.

Both are amenable to the LBA48 property addition to the ROM, thereby  
giving both the capability of the QS 2002 and later G4 Macs.

I would recommend the dual 1.0 GHz from the QS 2002 over the dual 800  
MHz from the QS 2001.

The DA (any variant) and the QS 2001 and QS 2002 are 133 MHz bus  
machines, with four spare PCI slots in addition to the standard AGP  
video slot, and 1.5 GB RAM, maximum.

These are very inexpensive, and are maximally trouble-free.

If you must install a non-Apple CPU, the Giga-Designs and OWC are the  
same, and are available in singles and, occasionally, in duals.





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Best G4 powermac??

[jonas ulrich]

I am looking to upgrade my numerous existing powermac g4s and g3s with one
good powermac. I want dual processors. I have looked at the quicksilvers and
the MDD's. What would be the best one for my money. I will be running mac os
10.4 server.-Jonas

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Re: video upgrade

[Doug Burton]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Ralph Green wrote:

>
> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 09:13 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:28 AM, abrock wrote:
>>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR- 
>>> Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html? 
>>> sec_iid=33972
>>>
>>> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).
>>
>> No it doesn't. There is no ADC connector on that thing, an ADC
> Howdy,
>   I contacted Overstock to find out if the picture was wrond or the
> description.  The card they have for sale does not include an ADC.   
> They
> said they would update the sale page soon.
>  I'd like a decent cheap video card for a Gigabit G4, so I checked.
> Good day,
> Ralph

You can always put a WTB (Want to buy) on the swaplist.  I saw one on  
there today looking for a similar video card.  And then there is  
always Ebay, just be sure the card you buy is for a Mac.  HTH

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Re: video upgrade

[Ted Treen]

Ralph Green wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 09:13 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>   
>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:28 AM, abrock wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972
>>>
>>> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).
>>>   
>> No it doesn't. There is no ADC connector on that thing, an ADC  
>> 
> Howdy,
>   I contacted Overstock to find out if the picture was wrond or the
> description.  The card they have for sale does not include an ADC.  They
> said they would update the sale page soon.
>  I'd like a decent cheap video card for a Gigabit G4, so I checked.
> Good day,
> Ralph
>
>   

The card is "Sapphire" brand. It has the Radeon 9000Pro chipset but it 
IS a PC card.

I believel Mac Radeon cards are ATI branded - except those flashed by 
their owners. Someone out there might know better.

Don't know about flashing the 9000, though.  Google should help.

Ted

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Re: video upgrade

[Ralph Green]

On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 09:13 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:28 AM, abrock wrote:
> > http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972
> >
> > BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).
> 
> No it doesn't. There is no ADC connector on that thing, an ADC  
Howdy,
  I contacted Overstock to find out if the picture was wrond or the
description.  The card they have for sale does not include an ADC.  They
said they would update the sale page soon.
 I'd like a decent cheap video card for a Gigabit G4, so I checked.
Good day,
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Re: video upgrade

[Dennis Myhand]

It is between the d-sub and the dvi.

Mike Baker wrote:
> 
> I don't think it has s-video, at least not in the description.
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, pdimage  wrote:
> 
>> From: pdimage 
>> Subject: Re: video upgrade
>> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
>> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:02 PM
>>
>> On 11/3/09 15:28, "abrock" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4
>> Digital Audio (466).
>>> I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock.
>>>
>>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics
>>> -Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972
>>>
>>> My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have
>> to flash the
>>> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
>> Looks like a mistake - can't have vga, dvi
>> and adcand s-video...
>>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> The Radeon 9000 is not easy to flash as I recall
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
>   
> 
> > 
> 
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Re: video upgrade

[Mike Baker]

I don't think it has s-video, at least not in the description.

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, pdimage  wrote:

> From: pdimage 
> Subject: Re: video upgrade
> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:02 PM
> 
> On 11/3/09 15:28, "abrock" 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hello All,
> > I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4
> Digital Audio (466).
> > I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock.
> > 
> > http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics
> > -Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972
> > 
> > My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have
> to flash the
> > BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> 
>     Looks like a mistake - can't have vga, dvi
> and adcand s-video...
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> The Radeon 9000 is not easy to flash as I recall
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> 


  

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Re: video upgrade

[Dennis Myhand]

The image of the card shows three outputs, and it may support Apple 
displays, but I doubt it supports being installed in an Apple computer. 
  I would say you have to flash it, and I would listen to Pete about the 
difficulty level.  Peace, Dennis

pdimage wrote:
> On 11/3/09 15:28, "abrock"  wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466).
>> I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock.
>>
>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics
>> -Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972
>>
>> My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the
>> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
> 
> Looks like a mistake - can't have vga, dvi and adcand s-video...
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> The Radeon 9000 is not easy to flash as I recall
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> 



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Re: video upgrade

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:28 AM, abrock wrote:

>
> Hello All,
> I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466).
> I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock.
>
> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972
>
> My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the
> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).

No it doesn't. There is no ADC connector on that thing, an ADC  
connector is larger than a DVI, and has rounded sides. the connectors  
on that system are VGA, S-video and DVI. I think they just swiped a  
generic Radeon 9000 spec list from ATI, which DOES make a 9000 card  
that has a ADC connector.


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Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 7:41 AM, nestamicky wrote:

>>
>> They exaggerate greatly, no way are these cameras truly 1.3  
>> megapixels.
>>
>> I was playing with mine and at that resolution (1280x1024) there were
>> horrible, horrible jaggies in the image.
>


Well, upon further experimentation, the jaggies were the result of two  
things: the low light conditions, and some peculiarities with their  
snapshot function. Here is a test image taken under better conditions.



(Student group had a bake sale this morning...)

Bottom line, it looks as though the claimed resolution of 1280 x 1024  
(1.3 megapixels) is based on an interlaced video signal. The snapshot  
takes one frame.

The true resolution of the CCD is very likely 640x512, so when it's  
blown up to full claimed resolution it looks like crap. Their included  
video monitor properly interlaces both frames and displays it as a  
single image on the screen, so the OS screen cap looks better.

Not exactly false advertising, but quite close, imo. It could also  
just be the Mac driver, as well. I haven't installed it under Windows  
to see what it looks like there.

As a video chat camera, under good lighting, it's looks to be a good  
webcam...it's just too bad it isn't a USB2 camera, so it works  
natively with iChat.

-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Re: video upgrade

[pdimage]

On 11/3/09 15:28, "abrock"  wrote:

> 
> Hello All,
> I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466).
> I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock.
> 
> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics
> -Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972
> 
> My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the
> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex

Looks like a mistake - can't have vga, dvi and adcand s-video...


Pete

The Radeon 9000 is not easy to flash as I recall



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Re: video upgrade

[insightinmind]

On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:28 AM, abrock wrote:

>
> Hello All,
> I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466).
> I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock.
>
> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR- 
> Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html? 
> sec_iid=33972
>
> My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the
> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).
>
> Thanks,
> Alex


A quick google shows some similar on eBay as well.

You'd think with an ADC connector, it might be Apple compatible ...  
but you need to keep asking around.

I've heard, sometimes, these cards are flashed PC cards.

Bill Connelly
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video upgrade

[abrock]

Hello All,
I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466).
I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock.

http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972

My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the
BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC).

Thanks,
Alex

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Re: Flat Screen Monitor

[nestamicky]

Is this not a PCI-E card? Make sure before you proceed.

insightinmind wrote:
> On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:26 PM, smac0031 wrote:
>
>   
>> I looked up GeForce 6200/256MB on google. This appears to be a PC
>> card. Is there a Mac Version. The price is right.
>>
>> I once burned a VooDoo 3300 for my SuperMac and it works fine.
>> 
>
> Burned? or Flashed?
>
> I think there is info on flashing a 6200 as well ...
> http://themacelite.wikidot.com/
>
> Hope this redirects and helps ... always found flashing interesting ...
>
> Bill Connelly
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> myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio
>
>
>
>
> >
>   

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Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...

[nestamicky]

Bruce Johnson wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:38 AM, nestamicky wrote:
>
>   
>> Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, so this weekend I became an object lesson for y'all.
>>>
>>> A couple of months ago, I got a neat little webcam from Woot.com, the
>>> Clique Hue.
>>>
>>>   
>> I went to their site Bruce and saw some cute cams. I'm curious though;
>> how are these connected to the computer. I'm not seeing any cable.
>> 
>
> The gooseneck thingie ends in a USB plug, so you can plug it in  
> directly, there's also a weighted base that comes with a USB cable,  
> and a usb port on the top for the camera.
>
> Here's a good picture:  The camera is  
> plugged into the base here. (the usb cable, which is about 2.5-3' long  
> is the dark blob in the box there.)
>
> They exaggerate greatly, no way are these cameras truly 1.3 megapixels.
>
> I was playing with mine and at that resolution (1280x1024) there were  
> horrible, horrible jaggies in the image.
>
> But the focus was sharp at 640x480and 800x600, and their 5cm to  
> infinity focus range seems right, which will make them great for  
> playing with stop-action animation. You'll need iChatUSBCam to use  
> them with iChat.
>
> It had quite good low-lighting response, and a decent framerate. It  
> was worth the $14 + S&H I paid at Woot.
>
> You can get 'em at K-mart for $19, about the same price I got after S&H.
>
>   
Thanks for the review Bruce...here is a camera I will pass on. They look 
cute though.

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