Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Mac G4 wrote: Secondly I asked Mac of All Trades and PowerMax how they are allowed to sell used machines with no discs. According to them as a Apple Authorized Reseller they are able to do this within certain rights. Of course they didn't tell me all the legalities other than if i wanted to to call Apple to check. I suspect they have to say the software is on there for demonstration purposes only, and is to be deleted (or reinstalled from a legal disk) by the purchaser. I don't think they can legally advertise these machines as being sold with Mac OS X if the disks aren't included. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote: Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement, you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use them illegal way. Thats the idea! I understand what you're saying. At best, you're making an argument that rapidshare or whatever upload service isn't violating the Apple copyright or EULA, but what you described (someone who doesn't legally own the software obtaining it from that source) is most definitely illegal. The fact that you can find a legal use of rapidshare, however, doesn't prove that they aren't violating laws. (It would be like a bank robber pointing to the thousands of times he walked into a bank and didn't rob it as a defense.) The context of your advice was NOT someone who owns the software making a backup copy and storing it on rapidshare for their own use within the license agreement. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
As long as you have the machine (For Apple or any OEM Licensed Computer) you may download and install... You do not commiting crime... Upload may... :) 2009/5/12 joe j...@joethejuggler.com: On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote: Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement, you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use them illegal way. Thats the idea! I understand what you're saying. At best, you're making an argument that rapidshare or whatever upload service isn't violating the Apple copyright or EULA, but what you described (someone who doesn't legally own the software obtaining it from that source) is most definitely illegal. The fact that you can find a legal use of rapidshare, however, doesn't prove that they aren't violating laws. (It would be like a bank robber pointing to the thousands of times he walked into a bank and didn't rob it as a defense.) The context of your advice was NOT someone who owns the software making a backup copy and storing it on rapidshare for their own use within the license agreement. Joe -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
opposite... you must prove their guilt... belive me if you can prove it... you can close them down, but in reality only users commited crime... it is like being gun manufacturing or weapon wholeselling... i admit that i am with you in thinking of weapon wholeselling but... laws. 2009/5/12 joe j...@joethejuggler.com: On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote: Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement, you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use them illegal way. Thats the idea! I understand what you're saying. At best, you're making an argument that rapidshare or whatever upload service isn't violating the Apple copyright or EULA, but what you described (someone who doesn't legally own the software obtaining it from that source) is most definitely illegal. The fact that you can find a legal use of rapidshare, however, doesn't prove that they aren't violating laws. (It would be like a bank robber pointing to the thousands of times he walked into a bank and didn't rob it as a defense.) The context of your advice was NOT someone who owns the software making a backup copy and storing it on rapidshare for their own use within the license agreement. Joe -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Title: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4 At 6:38 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote: On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote: Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? No. Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about getting this software. He does not own the software. That's exactly the problem. And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation is to make a backup of legally owned software. (If so, why do they have share as part of their name?) Exactly. Their own site says it's purpose is: With one-click hosting, our users can upload big files in one step and subsequently make them available to friends and family via the download link. IOW, RapidShare's purpose is SHARING. It is NOT backup. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote: Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD for backup purposes. A copy, not a decoded rip. You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal. Yes. You may download same version of it and use it... It is legal. IF the downloaded copy comes from a legit source who is licensed to re-distribute the data, then yes, that's legal. But if you're talking about downloading it from any other source - that's illegal. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
please do not add what i have never said... as i mentioned... share? what u share? share legal backuop :) if any file you find there illegal, you warn them they erase... :) 2009/5/12 Dan dantear...@gmail.com: At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote: Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD for backup purposes. A copy, not a decoded rip. You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal. Yes. You may download same version of it and use it... It is legal. IF the downloaded copy comes from a legit source who is licensed to re-distribute the data, then yes, that's legal. But if you're talking about downloading it from any other source - that's illegal. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
You can whatever copy you may use for copy it... Whatever... It is supreme or whatever court you have there... given that decision. You may copy for your belongings... whatever they protected them you may decode it and copy it. As long as it is personal use there no illegality. Read your laws please 2009/5/12 Dan dantear...@gmail.com: At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote: Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD for backup purposes. A copy, not a decoded rip. You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal. Yes. You may download same version of it and use it... It is legal. IF the downloaded copy comes from a legit source who is licensed to re-distribute the data, then yes, that's legal. But if you're talking about downloading it from any other source - that's illegal. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Baha Ata wrote: please do not add what i have never said... Please review the thread. Someone who bought a second hand G4 that had Mac OS X installed on it but no disks was looking for a place to purchase the disks. You advised him to download it from rapidshare reasoning that owning a Mac entitles you to Mac OS X. What you advised was actually illegal. Debating whether or not a jury would convict someone (the people who own or run rapidshare, for example) is completely irrelevant. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote: Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for one install.. And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original purchaser and is not transferable. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Thanks anway. I am sorry that i misguide the topic another point. Thanks everyone. 2009/5/12 joe j...@joethejuggler.com: On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote: Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for one install.. And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original purchaser and is not transferable. Joe -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote: You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer. Correct. An *original physical disc*. Not a copy. Not something you download from an illegal source. You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just for you (not public open area), it is not problem. Incorrect. From your friend's POV, it is a violation of the license to LEND or redistribute. From your POV, it is a violation of the license to obtain the software from any source that is not licensed to redistribute. Depending on the country, the violation carries criminal and/or civil penalties. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
please look meanings of LEND or redistribute. It is not same meaning giving the install cd to someone that has the right using that cd... It is not meaning giving that cd to someone that has no right using... Do u remember that how many copy you may make from orginal DVD when first DVD released out in USA. Please do not confuse LEND OR REDISTRIBUTE with optaining your legal copy You may copy your DVD and lost them, you may barrow someone's copied DVD or CD and recopy from it. As long as you right to do it. It is the logic why all share or backup sites alive... You cannot stop it. Admit it or not admit it. As long as you use it like that IT IS LEGAL. 2009/5/12 Dan dantear...@gmail.com: At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote: You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer. Correct. An *original physical disc*. Not a copy. Not something you download from an illegal source. You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just for you (not public open area), it is not problem. Incorrect. From your friend's POV, it is a violation of the license to LEND or redistribute. From your POV, it is a violation of the license to obtain the software from any source that is not licensed to redistribute. Depending on the country, the violation carries criminal and/or civil penalties. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
DEAR GOD SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! THIS DEAD HORSE HAS BEEN FLOGGED ENOUGH! Baha Ata wrote: distribute: to promote, sell, and ship or deliver (an item or line of merchandise) to individual customers, esp. in a specified region or area. lend: to give (money) on condition that it is returned and that interest is paid for its temporary use. share: the full or proper portion or part allotted or belonging to or contributed or owed by an individual or group. 2009/5/12 Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com: please look meanings of LEND or redistribute. It is not same meaning giving the install cd to someone that has the right using that cd... It is not meaning giving that cd to someone that has no right using... Do u remember that how many copy you may make from orginal DVD when first DVD released out in USA. Please do not confuse LEND OR REDISTRIBUTE with optaining your legal copy You may copy your DVD and lost them, you may barrow someone's copied DVD or CD and recopy from it. As long as you right to do it. It is the logic why all share or backup sites alive... You cannot stop it. Admit it or not admit it. As long as you use it like that IT IS LEGAL. 2009/5/12 Dan dantear...@gmail.com: At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote: You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer. Correct. An *original physical disc*. Not a copy. Not something you download from an illegal source. You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just for you (not public open area), it is not problem. Incorrect. From your friend's POV, it is a violation of the license to LEND or redistribute. From your POV, it is a violation of the license to obtain the software from any source that is not licensed to redistribute. Depending on the country, the violation carries criminal and/or civil penalties. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
CLOSING THREAD [Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4]
On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: DEAR GOD SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! THIS DEAD HORSE HAS BEEN FLOGGED ENOUGH! Baha Ata wrote and wrote and wrote: This thread has run with over 70 messages, with one person accounting for almost one-third of the messages, mostly arguing, disagreeing, and even quoting his own previous posts. The original poster has long since decided to acquire a Tiger disc, and has posted a WTB message on the LEM Swap List. It is not for the rest of us to tell him that he should not get it, or should go to RapidShare, or whatever. The thread is hereby declared CLOSED. Any further comments should be sent to me or another List Nanny, and ONLY by private messages. Fabian Fang G3-5 List Nanny --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
Regarding the iBook: A Mac running OS X with only 256 MB of RAM is essentially nonfunctional; You MUST max out the RAM. As for the iBook's battery, is someone forcing you to use this as a portable? It will run just fine with its current battery, if you leave it plugged in all the time. Children online? I would recommend Leopard in spite of any performance hit. He will want the most up-to-date capabilities from both a security and an applications standpoint if they are going to be using it for serious schoolwork. I am saying this as someone who has helped develop educational software. Regarding the iMac: These were very well-regard machines in their day, but do not seem to age well. Repairs can be prohibitive. I would examine any discarded G5 iMac with great skepticism before investing any money in it. If it has no problems, it is definitely the better computer of the two. Finally, ANY intel Mac, even the oldest and cheapest, will run rings around these, and the prices of the earliest models are falling fast. Consider alternatives. On May 11, 8:07 pm, Marty Levine marty.lev...@gmail.com wrote: The first machine is an iMac. I am guessing from his description it is either an early G5 or 2nd gen G5 iMac but I have not seen the machine yet. He will be bringing it in soon The 2nd machine is a iBook G4 933mhz, 256 mb RAM, 40 GB hard drive, airport extreme, CD-RW/DVD-ROM (combo drive I guess), battery life of maybe 5 mintues - effectively dead. He plans to use these for general purpose machines for the family which includes HS and middle school children. Until I found the dead battery I was going to recommend a 1gb upgrade for the laptop but given the cost of a new battery I am not sure it is worth the investment. Maybe he would be better off selling the iBook, upgrade the iMac and have a better experience with his new Mac? Thanks for your recommendations - Marty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
Another possibility, if he wants to try out Macs, is to sell those machines and buy a decent G4 tower for less than $100. That way, if he likes Macs, he can take the profit and buy an Intel Mac or G5 tower in the future. That is, unless situational etiquette would prevent selling something gotten from a wife's friend. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
On May 12, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Baha Ata wrote: So... Do u really catch the point? Look, Baha, don't be snarky. I understand what you're saying. The thing is, what you're saying is wrong. OEM licenses belong the machines not people Software licenses do not belong to machines. All apple's comes with eproms and Systems... No single Apple produced without system. Aside from a few Macs (like the Mac SE) that had OS's on their ROM chips, all Apples are produced without an OS. They're all sold *with* an OS (and install disks). If you sell a machine with an OS installed on it, you're supposed to include the install disks. (In other words, you can't use 1 license to install the OS on multiple machines--you're supposed to buy that OS for each machine.) The OP of this thread described a situation where the person did not own the OS. He is not entitled to download it from some sharing site as you advised him to do. I still think his first recourse should be to contact the seller who should have included disks. If the OS wasn't part of the purchase price, then it's up to him to purchase the OS. I catch your point, but you're wrong. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Ethernet Duel G4 want start after updating.
Dan, Peace And Health. I never resolved the problem below. I followed your advise with no luck. I picked up another G4 from eBay, a MDD G4 Duel. Question; can I take my 120gb harddrive from the GigG4 and put it into the MDDG4, or can I add my old HD. to the new machine and use both of them on the same machine? Choice On May 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:02 PM -0400 5/7/2009, photoartcom wrote: I replaced the 3.6V battery, tested the battery which registered good. In the beginning I used the reset button to jump start the computer, which worked for a week. Now it only lights up and no noise. Its not the power because it lights up right? . Do you think if I replaced the mother board, I could get some power into it. I unplugged everything except the key-board and monitor, with the same results. what is your thoughts? At this point, it could be either the power supply or motherboard. Strip the machine down a bit. No externals except keyboard, mouse, and monitor. Pull the PCI cards and video card. Hit the CUDA button (reset the PMU) *once*. Then try booting... see if you can at least the no gots memory! beeps. What specific PowerMac do you have? Is it a GigE or? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Bigger Internal HDs Bigger External Firewire/USB HD
Hiya Listers, I'm actually upgrading again soon. Just ordered 2 x 250 GB internal ATA HDs from the Swap List. Also, since the FW died on my external HD (which could stand to hold a much bigger HD than it does anyway) a few months ago I'm finally going to move on rectifying THAT problem, too (updating my backups with USB is sooo slow and it's been driving me crazy!). Technical Memory Refresher on my main computer (with present HDs): G4 867 Quicksilver with 2 internal HDs: 1. Nucleus -- OS X Tiger 10.4.9, 60 GB (came with this Mac originally). 2. Nucleolus -- OS X Panther 10.3.2, 20 GB (was pulled out of my Beige G3 and transplanted in when I got the G4) The current external HD: Memory Prime -- 40 GB. Not bootable, just a data backup. I just kick updated data over there from Nucleus or Nucleolus as required (Finder copy). This has has always worked well for me thus far -- yes, I've actually had to use stuff from this backup drive -- and yeah it saved me, big time! Obviously I'm planning to make Nucleus and Nucleolus 250 GB each. I don't actually NEED anywhere near that amount of space at this time (originally I'd been thinking 100-something GB internal HDs) but when I saw these two 250 GB HDs reasonably priced on the Swap List, I decided to go for them -- it can't hurt to have way more room than need -- just like there's no such thing as too much RAM, right? I pretty much know how I COULD handle the internal HD changeover (when my BF is next here to handle the physical removals/installations), but have some questions about the external HD business, because I'm in still in the process of deciding what exactly to buy (which enclosure, what size HD to put in it/if I should buy one with a drive already in it) and I'm also considering going the CCC route (I have yet to use CCC for anything at this point) on the new external backup drive for bootability. So here's the questions (most important considerations: simplicity and cost effectiveness): 1. Is it preferable to buy an enclosure which already has the drive in it, or to buy an empty enclosure and put a HD in it? I ask because I notice the empty enclosures are so much more economical, and from my POV at least (i.e., making sure I buy the right kind of HD for it -- I find the choices overwhelming, and once I do figure out the right one, need to have my BF do the actual physical installations for me). 2. I know my G4 likes internal ATA HDs (that's what it has now, and that's what I ordered from the Swap List) -- is ATA, PATA, SATA, SATA-1, SATA-2, eSATA (whatever those extra SATAs are: I know, Google is my friend, and I do plan to ask him) a consideration for EXTERNAL HDS? I ask because one of the external enclosures that caught my eye -- an OWC Mercury Elite-AL Oxford 934 says it supports any capacity SATA-1 or SATA-2 HD: would my G4 recognize this even? 3. Can you use partitions on external HDs like you can with internal ones? One thing i'm considering, if it's possible -- the external drive should be a 500GB, split into two partitions of 250 GB, onto which I CCC Nucleus (10.4.9) on one partition, and CCC Nucleolus (10.3.2) to the other, so for the transfer of internal drives and future possible emergency. I'm thinking to do the external HD first, partition it, CCC existing contents of Nucleus and Nucleolus as described, then (once I'm sure a CCC backup works), wipe the little drives and replace with the big ones, onto which I CCC the stuff from the external to the new internals (partition one to Nucleus, partition two to Nucleolus). So is this possible with my G4, and if so, is it a good idea? 4. Naturally, sticking with the familiar also tempts me. I saw an Iomega eGo Portable USB/Firewire which comes with a 250 GB drive already in it got my attention also, and I must say it's tempting to buy that (I had nothing but good experiences in the past with my Iomega Zip drives) and continue my backup system as simple external data storage. It should be noted that in addition to the data backups I keep well-maintained, I also have the boot/installation disks for both Tiger and Panther (just as I had 'em for my prior OS's) -- plus 10.4.9 and 10.3.9 combo updaters, although I found that the 10.3.2 direct from the CDs work fine for the one reason I need Panther. This is why I focused so heavily on data backup, rather than bootable backup. I COULD say that I don't need external bootable HDs because I never HAVE needed them before, but long long ago in a galaxy far away, I didn't think I needed data backups either, and oh boy was THAT a mistake! Whaddya all think? Any other recommendations and insights? Thanks, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
For G5 10.5, For ibook definetely 10.4... Even one of my powerbook with 1.33 Mhz and 1.25 GB Ram with 167 Mhz data path with 10.5 become slugy... Be aware those ibook's and powerbook's (12inches) uses 4200 rmp drives. 10.4 is good for them. Smaller ram foot print...and lower graphic and data transfer request... Adding Ram will be asset... But Ram+Battery will be arround $100 and more... So think up selling 2 and buying 15.4 inch 1.67 Mhz Powerbook? 2009/5/12 Marty Levine marty.lev...@gmail.com: A friend of mine who has no Mac experience at all was given 2 Mac's by a friend of his wife. He has no idea if they are worth saving/upgrading and I am the only Mac person he knows. The first machine is an iMac. I am guessing from his description it is either an early G5 or 2nd gen G5 iMac but I have not seen the machine yet. He will be bringing it in soon The 2nd machine is a iBook G4 933mhz, 256 mb RAM, 40 GB hard drive, airport extreme, CD-RW/DVD-ROM (combo drive I guess), battery life of maybe 5 mintues - effectively dead. He plans to use these for general purpose machines for the family which includes HS and middle school children. I am not sure he will want to invest much. He will need to buy an OS since we has not given any media. I am suggesting that he have both machines on the same OS so he only needs to learn on version of OSX. Now, the question is which one? For the G5 iMac, my opinion is 10.5 but not sure if that would be too much for the laptop. 10.4 for both? Until I found the dead battery I was going to recommend a 1gb upgrade for the laptop but given the cost of a new battery I am not sure it is worth the investment. Maybe he would be better off selling the iBook, upgrade the iMac and have a better experience with his new Mac? Thanks for your recommendations - Marty -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
it is ended. but... i cannot belive myself that i cannot explain what i am in... i must live in there i guess to understand or describe myself... Iam glad to have this conversasition, and taking pleasure. I am mean on it. Thanks. As moderator said topic closed. We will continue if you like with personal emails. BUT Please consider these::: Ask Apple: For example i bought two computer :) With system 10.5 One of them system disc lost? What will i do? Ask Apple: My neighbour got new G5 , i have a new G5, same model, same production number... i lost my installation disc? can i barrow from my neighbour :) Please ask these question to Apple Ask that could you use internet to get the copy of it? Not public server? That is the end. I guess. 2009/5/12 joe j...@joethejuggler.com: On May 12, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Baha Ata wrote: So... Do u really catch the point? Look, Baha, don't be snarky. I understand what you're saying. The thing is, what you're saying is wrong. OEM licenses belong the machines not people Software licenses do not belong to machines. All apple's comes with eproms and Systems... No single Apple produced without system. Aside from a few Macs (like the Mac SE) that had OS's on their ROM chips, all Apples are produced without an OS. They're all sold *with* an OS (and install disks). If you sell a machine with an OS installed on it, you're supposed to include the install disks. (In other words, you can't use 1 license to install the OS on multiple machines--you're supposed to buy that OS for each machine.) The OP of this thread described a situation where the person did not own the OS. He is not entitled to download it from some sharing site as you advised him to do. I still think his first recourse should be to contact the seller who should have included disks. If the OS wasn't part of the purchase price, then it's up to him to purchase the OS. I catch your point, but you're wrong. Joe -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com wrote: For G5 10.5, For ibook definetely 10.4... Even one of my powerbook with 1.33 Mhz and 1.25 GB Ram with 167 Mhz data path with 10.5 become slugy... Be aware those ibook's and powerbook's (12inches) uses 4200 rmp drives. 10.4 is good for them. Smaller ram foot print...and lower graphic and data transfer request... Adding Ram will be asset... But Ram+Battery will be arround $100 and more... So think up selling 2 and buying 15.4 inch 1.67 Mhz Powerbook? 2009/5/12 Marty Levine marty.lev...@gmail.com: A friend of mine who has no Mac experience at all was given 2 Mac's by a friend of his wife. He has no idea if they are worth saving/upgrading and I am the only Mac person he knows. The first machine is an iMac. I am guessing from his description it is either an early G5 or 2nd gen G5 iMac but I have not seen the machine yet. He will be bringing it in soon The 2nd machine is a iBook G4 933mhz, 256 mb RAM, 40 GB hard drive, airport extreme, CD-RW/DVD-ROM (combo drive I guess), battery life of maybe 5 mintues - effectively dead. He plans to use these for general purpose machines for the family which includes HS and middle school children. I am not sure he will want to invest much. He will need to buy an OS since we has not given any media. I am suggesting that he have both machines on the same OS so he only needs to learn on version of OSX. Now, the question is which one? For the G5 iMac, my opinion is 10.5 but not sure if that would be too much for the laptop. 10.4 for both? Until I found the dead battery I was going to recommend a 1gb upgrade for the laptop but given the cost of a new battery I am not sure it is worth the investment. Maybe he would be better off selling the iBook, upgrade the iMac and have a better experience with his new Mac? Thanks for your recommendations - Marty Baha Ata Since my friend is totally new to Mac's and will have to buy the OS (LEM Swap List ?) I would think he is better off buying one OS (family pack) than two different versions. Even if he buys 2 copies of the same software, I would think he would want to learn only 1 new operating system. I've been on Mac's since '92 and never had to worrry about running 2 different versions of OS X. It might be overwhelming for a novice to have to struggle with 2 different versions of 10.x Comments on that please? I have already recommended that he delay buying the battery and run the system tehtered by its power cord and concentrate on RAM until he is sure he wants to stay with the Macs. I can't wait to see what version iMac he really has. -- Marty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
I believe that you are correct. Additionally, the OEM license alows free upgrades for that major version and that is why when a machine is sold, it should include the original disks. JT Baha Ata wrote: Totally misleading factor. OEM licenses belong the machines not people :) So if you got the machine you got the license of it. If it is OEM licensed machine... All apple's comes with eproms and Systems... No single Apple produced without system. So... Do u really catch the point? Anyway i cut it.. Whatever you may thing out there, but belive me i am shocked that i have never been in USA and probably know more than general of you about rules and obligations about your country. Thanks again. I am hussed. 2009/5/12 joe j...@joethejuggler.com: On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote: Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for one install.. And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original purchaser and is not transferable. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Doug Burton slu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. I just downloaded and installed the update on my Nehalem Mac Pro 8-core, and the 449mb download and install went smoothly. I was really looking forward to this update because a lot of addresses a lot of the new architecture in the Mac Pros, along with updated drivers for the Radeon 4870 video card. I'm installing the 286mb update on wifey's Aluminum iMac right now. Alex --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. I think Apple's servers are getting hammered. It just failed downloading twice for me, which is a first. Oddly mine (for an Intel iMac 1st gen) was 449 MB, not 256 MB. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. I think Apple's servers are getting hammered. It just failed downloading twice for me, which is a first. Oddly mine (for an Intel iMac 1st gen) was 449 MB, not 256 MB. I went to Apple's web site to download it it came screaming down (I've got a gigabit connection at work). The combo update is HUGE, 762 MB. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. I think Apple's servers are getting hammered. It just failed downloading twice for me, which is a first. Oddly mine (for an Intel iMac 1st gen) was 449 MB, not 256 MB. I just pulled the 750MB Combo updater - then I can take it to work to do work macs, plus I'll update a friends MacBook Pro. It came down in 20 mins:- how much less I don't know for sure, as I didn't monitor it. Maybe not many people are going for the Combo, so it arrives quicker. Anyway, it's 2300 here in the UK - installation can wait until tomorrow, as by bed is calling. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. I think Apple's servers are getting hammered. It just failed downloading twice for me, which is a first. Oddly mine (for an Intel iMac 1st gen) was 449 MB, not 256 MB. -- Bruce Johnson Yep, mine aborted also so I'm doing the 729 Mb combo update. Going pretty quick. Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Yep, mine aborted also so I'm doing the 729 Mb combo update. Going pretty quick. Mine aborted, too, so I am now downloading the Combo Update, and I will write that to a USB 2.0 stick for later application to my sole remaining G4 Mack, and to my several Intel Hacks. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. Used regular software update and I am pretty sure it said 268MB (might have been 468, But I am pretty sure on the 268) on my G4 (dual 1.2GHz). Started the download before dinner, was done when I finished and installed with at least one extra restart. Everything seems fine so far. iTunes has my whole library, Just checked my 3rd party preference panes and: MenuMeters 1.3 works fine Divx says ver 7 is available, download and it is for Intel Macs only Oh well Flip4Mac 2.2.1.11 (based on the posting by Dan, I have not upgraded) appears fine. Perian 1.1.3 is fine ATI Displays 4.5.7 is fine Microsoft Intellipoint 6.0 is fine No extra rebuilds of anything, but I did run MacJanitior a few days ago. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CLOSING THREAD [Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4]
THANK YOU! On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Fabian Fang f...@mac.com wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: DEAR GOD SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! THIS DEAD HORSE HAS BEEN FLOGGED ENOUGH! Baha Ata wrote and wrote and wrote: This thread has run with over 70 messages, with one person accounting for almost one-third of the messages, mostly arguing, disagreeing, and even quoting his own previous posts. The original poster has long since decided to acquire a Tiger disc, and has posted a WTB message on the LEM Swap List. It is not for the rest of us to tell him that he should not get it, or should go to RapidShare, or whatever. The thread is hereby declared CLOSED. Any further comments should be sent to me or another List Nanny, and ONLY by private messages. Fabian Fang G3-5 List Nanny --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Second drive problems?
I have a gigabit 450 dual, I installed a second hard drive on. The original drive, a 20 gig, has OSX 10.4 installed, while the second drive, a 60 gig, has OSX10.2, OS10.3, and OS9.2 installed on three partitions. The OSes were installed while the drive was in a B W. I can boot into the 10.2 and 10.3 partitions fine from OS 10.4, but 9.2 will not start. I attempted to reinstall OS 9 by booting from its install cd, but the computer can only see the 20 gig drive booting from cd -- the 60 gig drive is invisible. I have the second drive jumpered as a slave in the system. Any ideas how I can make the 60 gig visible from a cd boot so I can reinstall OS9? Paul Riemerman --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best Game site, for iMac G3 400, running OSX?
I don't know the answer, but someone will soon kick you for posting here instead of the iMac/eMac list. The iMac G3 400 should be similar in power to the turquiose G3 tower, so you could ask it that way here. I think there are more people posting here than on the iMac list, so you may get more answers. But I don't remember seeing any discussions of gaming in either list. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best Game site, for iMac G3 400, running OSX?
On May 12, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Paul wrote: I don't know the answer, but someone will soon kick you for posting here instead of the iMac/eMac list. It is still a G Mac and postings are welcome on this list (that is the List Nanny talking). The iMac G3 400 should be similar in power to the turquiose G3 tower, so you could ask it that way here. I think there are more people posting here than on the iMac list, so you may get more answers. But I don't remember seeing any discussions of gaming in either list. According to Mactrackers Geekbench results, the iMac 400 benchmarks at about 80% of the performance of a 400MHz B W tower and probably even worse on video performance. On May 12, 2009, at 1:55 AM, Mullin9 wrote: What is the Best Game site, for iMac G3 400, running OSX? the ones made around 2000, 2002. ? Thank you Are you looking for downloads of free games, web based flash games, reviews of game or somewhere to purchase games? Len Gerstel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
For my point of view, iMac version as you mentioned will be determined. If i am in same shoes with him, i get rid off the ibook, if it is higher iMac G5 focus on it. Buy more ram on it. Get 10.5 system and walk through with no hassle and probably no spending. Rams will be cheaper than ibook sale on ebay. With this way spending time two diffrent performance machine will be away. Minimal G5 is far faster than that ibook 933. So holding two of them together gives two different feeling for beginner Apple user. I recommend one faster machine for starting Apple world without any hassle. Spending any bucks on that ibook 933 gives back nothing other than problems with iMac G5. Who gets which computer, what system, mine is slower get me other problems? :) 2009/5/12 Marty Levine marty.lev...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com wrote: For G5 10.5, For ibook definetely 10.4... Even one of my powerbook with 1.33 Mhz and 1.25 GB Ram with 167 Mhz data path with 10.5 become slugy... Be aware those ibook's and powerbook's (12inches) uses 4200 rmp drives. 10.4 is good for them. Smaller ram foot print...and lower graphic and data transfer request... Adding Ram will be asset... But Ram+Battery will be arround $100 and more... So think up selling 2 and buying 15.4 inch 1.67 Mhz Powerbook? 2009/5/12 Marty Levine marty.lev...@gmail.com: A friend of mine who has no Mac experience at all was given 2 Mac's by a friend of his wife. He has no idea if they are worth saving/upgrading and I am the only Mac person he knows. The first machine is an iMac. I am guessing from his description it is either an early G5 or 2nd gen G5 iMac but I have not seen the machine yet. He will be bringing it in soon The 2nd machine is a iBook G4 933mhz, 256 mb RAM, 40 GB hard drive, airport extreme, CD-RW/DVD-ROM (combo drive I guess), battery life of maybe 5 mintues - effectively dead. He plans to use these for general purpose machines for the family which includes HS and middle school children. I am not sure he will want to invest much. He will need to buy an OS since we has not given any media. I am suggesting that he have both machines on the same OS so he only needs to learn on version of OSX. Now, the question is which one? For the G5 iMac, my opinion is 10.5 but not sure if that would be too much for the laptop. 10.4 for both? Until I found the dead battery I was going to recommend a 1gb upgrade for the laptop but given the cost of a new battery I am not sure it is worth the investment. Maybe he would be better off selling the iBook, upgrade the iMac and have a better experience with his new Mac? Thanks for your recommendations - Marty Baha Ata Since my friend is totally new to Mac's and will have to buy the OS (LEM Swap List ?) I would think he is better off buying one OS (family pack) than two different versions. Even if he buys 2 copies of the same software, I would think he would want to learn only 1 new operating system. I've been on Mac's since '92 and never had to worrry about running 2 different versions of OS X. It might be overwhelming for a novice to have to struggle with 2 different versions of 10.x Comments on that please? I have already recommended that he delay buying the battery and run the system tehtered by its power cord and concentrate on RAM until he is sure he wants to stay with the Macs. I can't wait to see what version iMac he really has. -- Marty -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best Game site, for iMac G3 400, running OSX?
Mullin9 wrote: What is the Best Game site, for iMac G3 400, running OSX? the ones made around 2000, 2002. ? Thank you You are looking for games made when, on version of osX made when ? I have play a few games from ~ 2000 - 2002 that were made for os9 through 10.1 Sometimes the OS is very picky to match the game. That is for versions of OpenGL to match. I found my games at the local thrift store, I only have maybe a 1/2 dozen. I also have some games that only run on pre-os9, old world macs. But they sometimes will run on osX in the emulator BasiliskII. Lots of my games have network, multiplayer but I have never had a chance to use that --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
