Re: G4 Question

[Stephen Conrad]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Dan wrote:
>
> At 10:09 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>>  >>  > Use a tool such as OnyX.

OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard
So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard?
>>>
>>>  Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed
>>>  the icon from the Dock?
>>  >
>>I restarted the machine already
>>Shouldn't that have done the trick?
>
> Yea.  This is the same account in which you turned it off?
>
Yes, it isut OnyX asks for my password




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Re: G4 Question

[Dan]

At 10:09 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>  >>  > Use a tool such as OnyX.
>>>
>>>OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard
>>>So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard?
>>
>>  Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed
>>  the icon from the Dock?
>  >
>I restarted the machine already
>Shouldn't that have done the trick?

Yea.  This is the same account in which you turned it off?

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Re: G4 Question

[Stephen Conrad]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Dan wrote:
>
> At 9:44 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>>On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dan wrote:
>>  > At 6:26 AM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
   >>Also, do I want to use Dashboard?
>>  >>>  How much spare memory and CPU you gots?  Dashboard is a PIG, sucking
>   up about 40 MB RAM and a few % cpu even when inactive.  Dashboard
>   Widgets, aka Javascript applets, rarely do much that you can't
>   already do with a real app.  Me and mine - we have Dashboard disabled.

How do I do this?
>>>
>>  > Use a tool such as OnyX.
>>
>>OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard
>>So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard?
>
> Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed
> the icon from the Dock?
>
>
I restarted the machine already
Shouldn't that have done the trick?

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Re: G4 Question

[Dan]

At 9:44 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dan wrote:
>  > At 6:26 AM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>>>   >>Also, do I want to use Dashboard?
>  >>>  How much spare memory and CPU you gots?  Dashboard is a PIG, sucking
   up about 40 MB RAM and a few % cpu even when inactive.  Dashboard
   Widgets, aka Javascript applets, rarely do much that you can't
   already do with a real app.  Me and mine - we have Dashboard disabled.
>>>
>>>How do I do this?
>>
>  > Use a tool such as OnyX.
>
>OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard
>So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard?

Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed 
the icon from the Dock?

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Re: G4 Question

[Stephen Conrad]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dan wrote:
>
> At 6:26 AM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>>  >>Also, do I want to use Dashboard?
>>>
>>>  How much spare memory and CPU you gots?  Dashboard is a PIG, sucking
>>>  up about 40 MB RAM and a few % cpu even when inactive.  Dashboard
>>>  Widgets, aka Javascript applets, rarely do much that you can't
>>>  already do with a real app.  Me and mine - we have Dashboard disabled.
>>
>>How do I do this?
>
> Use a tool such as OnyX.
>
OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard
So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard?



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Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[Dan]

At 5:47 PM -0700 8/25/2009, Mullin9 wrote:
>On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa  wrote:
>>  Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram,
>
>The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll 
>go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, 
>and your OS will Install, It should.

That's just not correct.  512 MB RAM is MORE MORE MORE than enough.

Tiger runs just fine with 256 MB.  It purrs with 384 MB.  The rest is 
gravy, per your particular app mix.

>  > 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well
>>  with this.  It runs ok till the "Install" section then just sits there
>>  with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and
>>  I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions?

Most likely there's a problem with the file system on the HD, the 
fact that the OP is trying to do an in-place upgrade (NEVER a good 
idea), the firewire connection, or an issue with the DVD media.

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Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[Dan]

At 2:34 PM -0700 8/25/2009, steveoa wrote:
>G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, 63Gb spare on HD

Nice iMac.

>trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader ..., using an external 
>DVD via Firewire- all seems well
>with this.  It runs ok till the "Install" section then just sits 
>there with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at 
>present and I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions?

Do an archive & install AFTER repairing the disk with Disk Utility.

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Re: iMac G3 upgrade

[Kris Tilford]

On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:25 PM, SLiCk wrote:

> I recently purchesed a tangerine iMac G3 233mhz at a garage sale for
> $10. Seemed like a good deal even though there was no peripherals or
> CD's. The machine boots perfect and it's loaded with lots of kids
> programs and runs pretty fast considering. I just added 256MB RAM
> PC100 (2X128) that I got from eBay for $10. The OS is 8.6. I have a
> 40GB IDE drive I'm going to install a  into the machine also. That's
> all the hardware upgrades I intend to perform. $20 investment so far
> for a good running mac is pretty cheap, lol. So...a few questions if
> anyone can help...

Some errors in your description perhaps? The ONLY 233 MHz iMac was the  
original Bondi Blue iMac, so unless someone changed all the exterior  
plastic to Tangerine, it's likely that your Tangerine is either a 266  
MHz or 333 MHz model? Also, you say you added PC100 RAM which only  
came in the later iMac DV models (350-500MHz), but since all these  
came with slot loading drives and you've said you have a tray loading  
drive, this means your iMac likely uses "SoDimm PC100" (laptop RAM)  
rather than normal PC100 (desktop RAM)?

> 1 - What is the best OS I should upgrade to and still keep the machine
> running good? I've heard the OSX might slow it down alot. I have no
> upgraded software (yet) btw.

You can run OS X up to Tiger 10.4.11 if you have sufficient HD space  
and RAM. I don't think 256MB is sufficient RAM. 512MB would be better,  
and I think 1 GB is the maximum, and prohibitively expensive most  
likely.

> 2 - Can I keep the games that are currently installed on the hard
> drive and xfer them to the new drive?

Probably, but you'd want to leave the games on the old HD and transfer  
them after installing the new OS and new HD.

> 3 - I read that I need to partition the new drive to 7GB to run OSX on
> the primary partition. Can I do that when I install the new OS?

You partition the drive using Disk Utility when you boot the OS X  
installer CD/DVD. The 1st 8 GB partition is kind of a red herring,  
it's true that you must have a partition within the 1st 8 GB, but  
XPostFacto's "Helper Disk" option boot process can enable booting OS X  
on any size partition outside the 1st 8 GB, and you'd NEVER want to be  
restricted to only 8 GB of boot partition, so I'd recommend installing  
OS X onto the largest partition you can make outside a smaller 1st 8  
GB partition. You'd probably want to do a MacOS 9.x partition within  
the 1st 8 GB, and then make the remainder of the 40 GB into an OS X  
primary boot partition using XPostFacto to boot with.

> 4 - The machine only has a CD drive (tray loading). I'm guessing OSX
> comes on a DVD? If so, how can I see the drive to install the new OS?

If the iMac has Firewire, you can boot into Target Disk mode and  
install OS X from another Mac that has a DVD drive. You can also use a  
Firewire DVD drive to boot and install with. Also, these colored iMacs  
& iBooks CAN boot from USB, but it's hard to boot, and very slow, not  
worthwhile unless there is no other alternative.

I can help you off-list if you want, but this isn't a simple upgrade  
project, and the results may be less than stellar in terms of  
performance. With AGP G4's being sent to recyclers and dumped for next- 
to-nothing, you could likely have done better in terms of hardware for  
the not much more investment.

I might recommend you upgrade from 8.6 to 9.2.2 and forget about OS X  
unless you're willing to spend more money, and a lot more time. If you  
have the resources (another Mac with DVD, perhaps a Firewire or USB  
enclosure, and more RAM), it might be a fun learning project to stick  
Tiger on this old iMac, but otherwise, I'd probably leave it as a $20  
game machine.


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iMac G3 upgrade

[SLiCk]

Hi fellow mac enthusiasts!

I recently purchesed a tangerine iMac G3 233mhz at a garage sale for
$10. Seemed like a good deal even though there was no peripherals or
CD's. The machine boots perfect and it's loaded with lots of kids
programs and runs pretty fast considering. I just added 256MB RAM
PC100 (2X128) that I got from eBay for $10. The OS is 8.6. I have a
40GB IDE drive I'm going to install a  into the machine also. That's
all the hardware upgrades I intend to perform. $20 investment so far
for a good running mac is pretty cheap, lol. So...a few questions if
anyone can help...

1 - What is the best OS I should upgrade to and still keep the machine
running good? I've heard the OSX might slow it down alot. I have no
upgraded software (yet) btw.
2 - Can I keep the games that are currently installed on the hard
drive and xfer them to the new drive?
3 - I read that I need to partition the new drive to 7GB to run OSX on
the primary partition. Can I do that when I install the new OS?
4 - The machine only has a CD drive (tray loading). I'm guessing OSX
comes on a DVD? If so, how can I see the drive to install the new OS?

Thnx ya'all
Steve

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Re: Unsubscribe

[Tim Gochnour]

Thanks, Jo!  I was going to say the same thing!

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On Aug 25, 2009, at 1:58 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:

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> On 25-08-2009 05:23, Kris Tilford, ktilfo...@cox.net, wrote:
>
>> On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:
>>
>>> I personally do not know why >> does not work.
>>
>> Please, can you, another list nanny, the list mom, or all of you
>> together, please contact Google Groups administration and try and get
>> a solution to this issue? It's been happening for several weeks  
>> now. I
>> wonder if it's because of the hyphens in the list name? It seems
>> likely the parser could be confused about all the extra hyphens?
>
> You have to unsubscribe from the same e-mail-adress as from with you
> subscibed! Not from mobiles you use to read the list after  
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> May be the problem, I believe.
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Re: OSX10.4 on G3

[Mullin9]

On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa  wrote:
> Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram,

The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go
for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4
just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should.

> 63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well
> with this.  It runs ok till the "Install" section then just sits there
> with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and
> I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions?
>
> Thanks Steve
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Re: What OCR for Leopard?

[Al Poulin]

On Aug 24, 7:04 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:

> Abbyy Fine Reader is $100  It at least  
> runs on modern macs :-)

Bruce:  This looks like an excellent candidate with a nice support
tail.  Do you have any feedback on Abbyy Fine Reader on campus?


On Aug 25, 11:35 am, "Michael J. Amato"  wrote:
> There are some printers that come with OCR software. Have you checked?

True, that's how I got my old OmniPage SE.  A quick sample shows an OS
X version available in $200 printers, but I already have a couple
printers that I really like.  So I am open to getting a separate
package.  Thanks.

Al Poulin
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OSX10.4 on G3

[steveoa]

Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram,
63Gb spare on HD, using an external DVD via Firewire- all seems well
with this.  It runs ok till the "Install" section then just sits there
with the spinning coloured disk. I've got 10.3 on it at present and
I'm using the Easy Install option, any suggestions?

Thanks Steve

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Re: Unsubscribe

[Ralph Green]

Howdy,
  I don't think it is the hyphen.  Another group I want to participate
in started recently.  I sent a subscribe email to that group
(loosedfw-subscr...@googlegroups.com) and got a bounceback that the
email id did not exist.  That one has no extra hyphens and so I deduce
that Google has changed something or they are having problems.  I do NOT
want to unsubscribe from the g3-g5 list.  I am only sending this to try
to help diagnose the problem.
Good day,
Ralph


On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 19:58 +0200, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:
>  On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:
> > 
> >> I personally do not know why  >> does not work.
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Re: Unsubscribe

[Doug Burton]

On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Doug McNutt wrote:

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>> Those who have participated in this thread and wished to leave this
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> --> So are we going to celebrate the start of a new decade at the  
> end of this year? Or do the tens start at in January 2011? <--

That doesn't work either.  I had 3 lists that I was getting dup emails  
from and tried to unsubscribe that way and it never did work.  Only  
way I found that works correctly is to log into the group web forum  
and unsubscribe there.  Worked just fine that way.

Just a message from Doug...

http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a <+> Home for the Hackintosh  
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Re: Apple G4 CPU upgrade options

[Mac User #330250]

Oh, I forgot - look at the prices and start crying...
https://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm?sort=pop&model=89&type=Processor&TI=4207&shoupgrds=Show+Upgrades

Consider: these are *new* CPUs - used ones found on eBay will be cheaper. But 
not that much, am I right?

Cheers,
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Re: Apple G4 CPU upgrade options

[Mac User #330250]

To answer the question:

I have a OWC Mercury Extreme 1.4 GHz CPU Upgrade in my "Gigabit Ethernet" G4 
and it is running just fine. All you have to do is set the jumpers correctly.

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/ME41400L2D/

I'm not sure, but I think the Sonnet upgrades doesn't use jumpers but does 
autodetection for the system bus speed and uses a software solution for the 
multiplicator (i.e. CPU clock speed).

I personally prefer to set the jumpers. I think that it's never a good thing 
to depend on software to set the correct CPU speed. Sounds old-fashioned? 
Maybe.

The Mercury Extreme 1.2 will be a good choice. You don't require to change 
anything else, except to replace the CPU and set the jumpers. No firmware 
update and no additional driver software is needed. Mac OS is supported from 
9.2.1 and newer (which basically leaves you with 9.2.2) and Mac OS X is 
generally supported (all versions). I guess that the Mac OS 9 issue is due to 
the G4 being a 7455B instead of a 7450.

There is only one disadvantage: the OWC Mercury Extreme 1.4 I have doesn't 
feature temperature sensors. And when you're unable to see the actual CPU 
temperature, it's hard to set a higher CPU clock speed. That's too bad, since 
it can be clocked to 1.6 GHz (100 Mhz system bus) for the Sawtooth and the 
Gigabit Ethernet, and up to 2.13 GHz (133 MHz system bus) for the Digital 
Audio and the QuickSilver.

http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/Load_Page.cfm?page=FAQ/extreme/extremesettings.html

This would be a great speed gain, provided you can keep the CPU cool.
But this' all hypothetical, since I cannot measure the temperature anyway.


Cheers,
Andreas


--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Apple G4 CPU upgrade options
Date:Dienstag, 25. August 2009N
From:d p 
To:  "G3-5 List" 

> Ok, I've been looking around, and right now I'm stuck between these
> two:
>
> 1. Mercury Extreme G4/1.2GHz w/2MB L3 Cache. (I'm not sure the correct
> model#)
> 2. sonnet encore st g4 1200/2m (SG4-1200-2M)
>
> Does anyone have info/links on these two, or most importantly has
> anyone had prior experience with either one of these.
>
> Why do I take it that the Sonnet is a "better" one?
>
> On Aug 23, 4:51 pm, mkoch  wrote:
> > I have a G4 Dual 500 1.5Ghz Ram and complete mother board: the power
> > supply died about 10 day ago; let me know if you are interested ?
> > Michael
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2:11 pm, Christopher Clarke
> >
> >  wrote:
> > > I know that you cant put a Dual onto a Non-Dual mobo without
> > > modifications - as it needs more power etc. Also, I think all
> > > QuickSilver G4 CPUs were interchangeable between same models (ie QS
> > > 2001 could have any 2001 CPU etc.)
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > On 19 Aug 2009, at 19:09, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com wrote:
> > > > Here's something we don't have on Low End Mac, something a reader
> > > > just asked about: What models are CPUs pulled from other Power Macs
> > > > compatible with?
> > > >
> > > > I know that 466 and 533 MHz CPUs from Digital Audio work with the 100
> > > > Mhz bus in Sawtooth and Mystic, and all G4 Power Macs with AGP video
> > > > appear to use exactly the same CPU connector.
> > > >
> > > > This could create a market for pulled CPUs
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to your feedback!
> > > >
> > > > Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com
>
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Re: Unsubscribe

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On 25-08-2009 05:23, Kris Tilford, ktilfo...@cox.net, wrote:

> On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:
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You have to unsubscribe from the same e-mail-adress as from with you
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Re: Migrating from Eudora ?

[Cliff Rediger]

On Aug 17, 8:33 am, Cliff Rediger  wrote:
> On Aug 16, 10:13 am, Bruce Johnson 
> wrote:
>
> > Go spelunking about the Eudora site, ISTR they made the code available
> > for free when they stopped supporting it.
>
> I read that somewhere too, but couldn't find anything on their site.
> But, Googling around I did locate a June 2005 code that worked.
> So, I'm good to go for now.
>
> Cliff

Eudora 6.2.4 is definitely an improvement over 6.1
One small feature I appreciate is that new messages are indicated in
the Dock Icon. That's cool

Also Spam Watch is activated (perhaps could have been before but I
didn't know how)
However, I'm not sure it is learning correctly.
Maybe it takes significant time
Any suggestions on how to manage or tweak Spam Watch are appreciated.

Cliff
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Re: Boot Camp

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 25, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote:

>
> I have a 2008 15in 2,4Ghz Intel Core 2 2Gb RAM Mac Pro running the  
> last
> version of Leopard with VM ware and Win XP SP2 works REALLY slow.  
> Takes ages
> to load and the resposiveness isn`t exactly crispy.
>
> Anyone has the same problems with virtualization?


I have a 2ghz original Intel iMac, with XP2 in a Fusion VM, and while  
it does take a long time to load up, once up the performance is  
decent, certainly on par with any of the equivalently powered PC's  
here. If you crank up the RAM in them they tend to run like pigs  
though, you'll (counterintuitively) want to stick with the default 512  
megs.

That said, I don't do a heck of a lot of compute-intensive tasks in  
it, it's mostly Windows Domain administration and some software  
testing and such.

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Re: Boot Camp

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

> If you need to run some Windows programs, forget about boot camp and
> use a virtual machine app, such as Parallels, VMWare Fusion or Virtual
> Box (which is free, and improving all the time).
>
> This is far far safer, since a) you're not mucking about with your
> existing Mac partition...the horror stories of Boot Camp are legion,
> and b) you can simply copy your virtual disk; so when Windows eats
> itself or your Windows install is infested with viruses, you just quit
> the VM, trash the virtual disk file, copy the good one back over and
> start it back up. Elapsed time to 're-install ' windows? under a minute.

I have a 2008 15in 2,4Ghz Intel Core 2 2Gb RAM Mac Pro running the last 
version of Leopard with VM ware and Win XP SP2 works REALLY slow. Takes ages 
to load and the resposiveness isn`t exactly crispy.

Anyone has the same problems with virtualization?

Gorka 


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Re: Boot Camp

[Alex Smith (K4RNT)]

Virtual machine "snapshots" are awesome for that purpose.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:48, Bruce
Johnson wrote:
> If you need to run some Windows programs, forget about boot camp and
> use a virtual machine app, such as Parallels, VMWare Fusion or Virtual
> Box (which is free, and improving all the time).
>
> This is far far safer, since a) you're not mucking about with your
> existing Mac partition...the horror stories of Boot Camp are legion,
> and b) you can simply copy your virtual disk; so when Windows eats
> itself or your Windows install is infested with viruses, you just quit
> the VM, trash the virtual disk file, copy the good one back over and
> start it back up. Elapsed time to 're-install ' windows? under a minute.

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Re: Boot Camp

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Mike Baker wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a MacBook White Core 2 Duo running Leopard. It has Boot Camp
>> on it. Which version of Windows would give me the best bang for the
>> buck?
>
> It depends on what you need windows for.


To expand on my answer:

If you have to run graphics or processor intensive applications in  
Windows, Boot camp is the way to go (I have a friend with someone in  
his office who has two or three maxed out Mac Pros, all running  
Windows, because his bread and butter app is Rhino 3D  They're in the throes of making an OS X version (as folks have been  
begging for one for years) but it's a slow process 
.), and what version of WIndows you use is dependent on what your  
programs support.

If you want to run games, hell, just go build a cheap gaming rig from  
Egghead or something and be done with it.

If you need to run some Windows programs, forget about boot camp and  
use a virtual machine app, such as Parallels, VMWare Fusion or Virtual  
Box (which is free, and improving all the time).

This is far far safer, since a) you're not mucking about with your  
existing Mac partition...the horror stories of Boot Camp are legion,  
and b) you can simply copy your virtual disk; so when Windows eats  
itself or your Windows install is infested with viruses, you just quit  
the VM, trash the virtual disk file, copy the good one back over and  
start it back up. Elapsed time to 're-install ' windows? under a minute.


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Re: What OCR for Leopard?

[Michael J. Amato]

There are some printers that come with OCR software. Have you checked?


On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Al Poulin wrote:

>
> Dual posting here, no answer after two days on two other LEM lists.
>
> What OCR software packages are there which run well on OS X 10.5
> Leopard?  Any favorites?
>
> I've seen references to Omnipage Pro X for Macintosh and Readiris
> as independent packages, and even OCR capability in Vuescan and Adobe
> Acrobat.
>
> My old Omnipage 8 SE will not install in Leopard on a G4 iBook nor
> Intel iMac.
>
> Al Poulin
>
> >


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Re: Sonnet Encore upgrade for desktop beige G3

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 24, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Ralph Green wrote:

> Howdy,
>  It has been several years, but I did the same upgrade to a Beige G3.
> I had trouble installing OSX with the G4 in place.  The OS was version
> 10.2, I believe.  I put the G3 back in place for the install, then
> installed the G4 enabler from Sonnet, and put the G4 back in the  
> system.


When I had that problem, it turned out to be flaky memory.

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Re: G4 Question

[Dan]

At 6:26 AM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>  >>Also, do I want to use Dashboard?
>>
>>  How much spare memory and CPU you gots?  Dashboard is a PIG, sucking
>>  up about 40 MB RAM and a few % cpu even when inactive.  Dashboard
>>  Widgets, aka Javascript applets, rarely do much that you can't
>>  already do with a real app.  Me and mine - we have Dashboard disabled.
>
>How do I do this?

Use a tool such as OnyX.

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Re: Unsubscribe

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At 20:11 -0700 8/24/09, Fabian Fang wrote:
>On Aug 24, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Phil Spencer wrote:
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>> Oops I meant to say unsubscribing doesn't work the address doesn't  
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Re: What OCR for Leopard?

[Al Poulin]

On Aug 24, 10:32 pm, Dan  wrote:
> At 4:04 PM -0700 8/24/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> >You can roll your own: 
>
> After seeing Al's OP... I mentioned OCR stuff to a friend in the
> publishing biz tonite.  He chuckled... He had bad things to say about
> every package imaginable.  His fav -- hire local school kids, or even
> your own.  It's good typing practice and a great learning experience!

A big ho-ho-ho, ha-ha-ha.  Thanks guys!

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Re: Apple G4 CPU upgrade options [OT] Why?

[John Niven]

I absolutely agree with this, plus if you buy a "new" machine you still have 
your old one to sell/donate/pass-on to somebody else. If you replace the 
processor, the old one just goes in the bin!

Computer speed is not just about possessor clock speed but also bus speeds, 
ram, disk size limits etc. A newer machine will be faster at these also.

The only other consideration is the cost of shipping. Some people live in 
places where used macs are not plentiful (gasp!). It's cheaper to just ship an 
upgrade, even so I recommend doing the math carefully.



--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Mac User #330250  wrote:
> I know this is off-topic. But why do you want to upgrade an
> old G4?
> 
> These upgrade CPUs are so expensive nowerdays - at least,
> when compared to the 
> present value of the older & slower G4s. The price for
> most of the CPU 
> upgrades stayed almost the same over the years.


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Re: Installing new internal hard drive on G4

[Mac User #330250]

Hi!

I had this problem lately as I installed a 180 GB drive in my 733 MHz QS 2001.

With a lot of help from this list I was able to activate the LBA-48 support by 
using a little script (though it could be done by hand easily).

Just go there and read:
http://4thcode.blogspot.com/2007/12/using-128-gib-or-larger-ata-hard-drives.html

Since then my hard drive's capacity is fully recognized. In case you've 
already formated it (with LBA-24 only, so only 128 GB were/are shown) you 
just have to format it again (with the applied LBA-48 Open Firmware property 
in the script from the link I just gave you).

Cheers,
Andreas.


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Subject: Re: Installing new internal hard drive on G4
Date:Dienstag, 25. August 2009N
From:Len Gerstel 
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

> On Aug 24, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
> > John Niven wrote:
> >> I think you will "see" only 128GB on your new harddrive (you can
> >> still use it). Much better to buy a SATA pci card and then you can
> >> use a modern large HD.
> >
> > QuickSilvers are maybe on the large drive support.  Those known as QS
> > 2002 (introduced in 2002) do support large drives.  Previous models do
> > not and will only access (and format) the first 128Gb without any
> > special mods.
>
> The 733, first 867 and dual 800 do not have large drive support. The
> 800, 933, dual 1GHz and the second 867 (marketed to education) do have
> large drive support,
>
> Len
>
>
> 

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Re: Apple G4 CPU upgrade options [OT] Why?

[Mac User #330250]

I know this is off-topic. But why do you want to upgrade an old G4?

These upgrade CPUs are so expensive nowerdays - at least, when compared to the 
present value of the older & slower G4s. The price for most of the CPU 
upgrades stayed almost the same over the years.

When the 1.4 GHz OWC Mercury Extreme CPU upgrade was available, its cost was 
within limits compared to a new G4 system. (Don't know, $400 USD maybe???)

Now, you can get a used Dual 800+ MHz G4 at a lower price than a *new* CPU 
upgrade card for an even older single 733- MHz G4.

I've compared a Dual 800 MHz QS 2001 with a single OWC 1.4 GHz GE (originally 
single 400 MHz) and the difference is not that much. In fact, the dual 
processor version seems more responsive when working with Mac OS X 10.4 and 
10.5. Could be that single tasks in various applications (such as Photoshop 
filters and such) are slower on the Dual 800 MHz system, but I'd personally 
go for the Dual CPU solution.

If you get a used CPU upgrade for a low price (must be lower than $50.-- USD) 
then it might be a good option.
Otherwise get a used QS or MDD for $100 to $200, and you get a much better 
system with it. Or wait a few more months, as with the establishing of Snow 
Leopard prices for PowerPC based Macs will be dropping soon.


Cheers,
Andreas.


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Subject: Re: Apple G4 CPU upgrade options
Date:Dienstag, 25. August 2009N
From:d p 
To:  "G3-5 List" 

> Ok, I've been looking around, and right now I'm stuck between these
> two:
>
> 1. Mercury Extreme G4/1.2GHz w/2MB L3 Cache. (I'm not sure the correct
> model#)
> 2. sonnet encore st g4 1200/2m (SG4-1200-2M)
>
> Does anyone have info/links on these two, or most importantly has
> anyone had prior experience with either one of these.
>
> Why do I take it that the Sonnet is a "better" one?
>
> On Aug 23, 4:51 pm, mkoch  wrote:
> > I have a G4 Dual 500 1.5Ghz Ram and complete mother board: the power
> > supply died about 10 day ago; let me know if you are interested ?
> > Michael
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2:11 pm, Christopher Clarke
> >
> >  wrote:
> > > I know that you cant put a Dual onto a Non-Dual mobo without
> > > modifications - as it needs more power etc. Also, I think all
> > > QuickSilver G4 CPUs were interchangeable between same models (ie QS
> > > 2001 could have any 2001 CPU etc.)
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > On 19 Aug 2009, at 19:09, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com wrote:
> > > > Here's something we don't have on Low End Mac, something a reader
> > > > just asked about: What models are CPUs pulled from other Power Macs
> > > > compatible with?
> > > >
> > > > I know that 466 and 533 MHz CPUs from Digital Audio work with the 100
> > > > Mhz bus in Sawtooth and Mystic, and all G4 Power Macs with AGP video
> > > > appear to use exactly the same CPU connector.
> > > >
> > > > This could create a market for pulled CPUs
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to your feedback!
> > > >
> > > > Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com
>
> 


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Re: Sonnet Encore upgrade for desktop beige G3

[dc]

On Aug 24, 8:08 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Gorka Martinez Mezo wrote:

> The Zif upgrade works just fine, but you need to reset the mobo  
> jumpers.

Sonnet upgrades do not require moving the jumpers, I think most (or
all) other brands do. Visit www.sonnettech.com and read the FAQs,
download manuals, etc. Pay special attention to this FAQ:

A few early-production beige Power Macintosh beige G3 Desktop,
Minitower and Server computers were manufactured with a Royal
Technology brand Voltage Regulator Module (VRM) that is incompatible
with processor upgrades.

This issue affects Beige G3 systems containing the Royal brand VRM.
Figure 1 shows the location of this part in the slot next to the
system battery on your computer's motherboard, and its specific
appearance. Only the Royal VRM has this issue; Raytheon, Switch Power,
and Fairchild VRMs do not.



Because most VRMs look similiar, you must remove and visually inspect
it. If the words Royal Technology appear on your VRM, do not install
the Encore card; if you have already installed it, remove it. It is
critical that this VRM be replaced before the Encore/ZIF is installed
(or operated again if you already installed it), as it could cause
damage to itself or the Sonnet card. If your Macintosh no longer
functions, even with the Encore card removed and the original CPU
replaced, it is likely the Royal VRM is damaged and should be
replaced. Sonnet has tested and recommends replacement VRMs
manufactured by Creative Connections, Inc. You may purchase a
replacement VRM from Creative Connections by visiting their website,
or by calling them at 1-770-476-7322.

If the VRM in your computer was manufactured by Raytheon, Switch
Power, or Fairchild, there is no need for further action. Reinstall
the VRM and proceed with the installation of the Encore card as
described in the installation manual.
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Re: G4 Question

[Stephen Conrad]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dan wrote:
>
> At 11:16 PM -0500 8/24/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>>Periodically when using my G4 Quicksilver with either Firefox or
>>Safari and I have a few tabs open I get the spinning beach ball. The
>>sites are email or ones like The Daily Kitten.
>>What might cause this?
>
> The SPOD indicates that the browser was waiting for some resource to
> be made available.
>
> Could be slow running scripts.  Could be a full HD; lack of cache
> space.  Could be a lack of memory (the app had to page excessively).
> Could be ... any number of things.

I have 1,12 GB ARAM in this machine and I have over 30 GB of HD free space.

>
> The Daily Kitten (disgustingly cute factor aside) has a lot of script
> for such a simple page.  It's now 1am and it loaded quite slowly here.
>
> 
>
That site never slowed my Smurf  :)

>>Also, do I want to use Dashboard?
>
> How much spare memory and CPU you gots?  Dashboard is a PIG, sucking
> up about 40 MB RAM and a few % cpu even when inactive.  Dashboard
> Widgets, aka Javascript applets, rarely do much that you can't
> already do with a real app.  Me and mine - we have Dashboard disabled.
>

How do I do this?

Steve Conrad
Henrietta, MO 64036

"The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
to go forth and claim our place in outer space."
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Re: Apple G4 CPU upgrade options

[d p]

Ok, I've been looking around, and right now I'm stuck between these
two:

1. Mercury Extreme G4/1.2GHz w/2MB L3 Cache. (I'm not sure the correct
model#)
2. sonnet encore st g4 1200/2m (SG4-1200-2M)

Does anyone have info/links on these two, or most importantly has
anyone had prior experience with either one of these.

Why do I take it that the Sonnet is a "better" one?

On Aug 23, 4:51 pm, mkoch  wrote:
> I have a G4 Dual 500 1.5Ghz Ram and complete mother board: the power
> supply died about 10 day ago; let me know if you are interested ?
> Michael
>
> On Aug 19, 2:11 pm, Christopher Clarke
>
>  wrote:
> > I know that you cant put a Dual onto a Non-Dual mobo without
> > modifications - as it needs more power etc. Also, I think all
> > QuickSilver G4 CPUs were interchangeable between same models (ie QS
> > 2001 could have any 2001 CPU etc.)
>
> > Chris,
> > On 19 Aug 2009, at 19:09, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com wrote:
>
> > > Here's something we don't have on Low End Mac, something a reader just
> > > asked about: What models are CPUs pulled from other Power Macs
> > > compatible with?
>
> > > I know that 466 and 533 MHz CPUs from Digital Audio work with the 100
> > > Mhz bus in Sawtooth and Mystic, and all G4 Power Macs with AGP video
> > > appear to use exactly the same CPU connector.
>
> > > This could create a market for pulled CPUs
>
> > > Looking forward to your feedback!
>
> > > Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com

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Re: Unsubscribe

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As have a couple of us, I think.

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Re: Sonnet Encore upgrade for desktop beige G3

[Lawrence David Eden]

>A couple months ago I bought in eBay an used 500MHz Sonnet Encore 
>ZIF card to upgrade a Beige desktop G3. The seller send me a pdf 
>file with the installation instructions but nothing else.
>
>Due to work/burned computer/personal issues I wasn`t able to have a 
>close look to the upgrade intil now. I have read the instruction 
>manual and I have some doubts.
>
>* First of all, has someone tried this upgrade before? Any tips?
>* As I can see, I need to install de software included in the Sonnet 
>CD to install de G4 card, is that correct? The computer is currently 
>running Mac OS 9.1 (Spanish), has 416Mb of RAM, a FireWire/USB PCI 
>card and two HDs. It havent been used for some years, but runs 
>smoothly so far. VRM is correct.
>
>Gorka
>

I had a similar set-up that worked fine for years.  The directions 
that you list above are correct.  IFRC, you have to take a look at 
the Beige's current processorthere were issues with some of them 
that interfered with the installation of the Sonnet card.  Do you see 
that in your instruction manual?  If you are planning on installing 
OS X, be sure that the Sonnet is installed first.


Larry


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Re: Boot Camp

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Dan  wrote:

>
> At 1:32 PM -0700 8/24/2009, Mike Baker wrote:
> >I have a MacBook White Core 2 Duo running Leopard. It has Boot Camp
> >on it. Which version of Windows would give me the best bang for the
> >buck?
>
> Putting cooties on a perfectly good Mac is never a "best bang".
>
> - Dan.
> --
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth.
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I feel your pain Dan. but some folks just gotta deal with "de debil ".

Apple bit and showed 'em da way. To "wind-ers" dat is.

Which is one reason why i think an Apple OS for the PC makes a lot of sense.
Or at least modify the frickin' EULA.

At the university many Mac slinging students do no use Mac OS at all for
their GUI. And in classes where Macs are used I often hear cries of agony
from students who are forced to use OS X.  Believe it .  .  .  . or don't.

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